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A waxwork of Hitler has been beheaded at Madam Tussauds in Berlin:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7491280.stm

I kind of agree with this, but I think there are more sensitive ways of handling it, than a lifesize waxwork of him.

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Did they ever expect anything different, lots of Germans are still in deniel of what happened all those years ago, its just a pity that the allies didn't get hold of the real thing before he took the cowards way out and topped himself:mad:

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Err...in a waxwork museum?!

Hitler was a gigantic figure of modern history. Now I don't know about you but I have always thought that the waxwork models in waxwork museums represent figures from history. Having Hitler's waxwork in a museum hardly means the museum is rallying up neo-Nazis.

As Stephen Kramer remarks in the BBC article you provided Lolly, "Erasing him from history is not going to bring the perished ones back".

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Its the poor person/s who made the wax hitler i feel sorry for.. But who would want to make a wax version of hitler.. great for burning!!

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I have had a completely different experience, I've found a lot of germans are well aware of the mistakes that were made and have a deep guilt about the history surrounding the country.

School trips include visiting old concentration camps, which, even though I went approx 20 years ago, i still hold vivid memories of the place, all of which are unpleasant

From y experience, the Germans are not pretending it didnt happen, more the opposite and having things around the force people to remember the atrocities that occurred

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Like it or not Hitler is a major figure in history so it seems right that there is a waxwork of him.
Seems a bit daft beheading the dummy,plus it will cost to get it repaired.

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Apparently it's illegal to display a swastika in Germany, but it's alright to have a waxwork of Hitler, just so long as he isn't wearing a swastika?

Sounds highly illogical to me, but then again that's Germans for you. One minute they're very polite, bowing, clicking their heels, shaking your hand, the next time you see then they're bare arsed naked in the middle of a crowded city park. Weird.



'Displaying the swastika and other Nazi symbols is illegal in Germany.'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4178643.stm

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Is that why rossendales twinned with a german town?

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Lol, why?

Do they click their heels to end a conversation, or strip off outside Winfield's?:eek::D

Personally I like the Germans I've met. I spent a summer working for a magazine in Hamburg, and had a great time, even if as a nation they're quite contrary.

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I have a few German friends at uni and they're always making jokes about being 'efficient'. I find them highly amusing.

I love the Germans, and I don't see how a wax work of hitler is insensitive, but maybe I'm missing something... I can understand the banning of the swastika because it's something Germans have to be ashamed of a whole, however Hitler wasn't anyones fault really. That's the way I see it anyway.



Also, out of interest Willow, what does the wax work of Jack the Ripper look like if nobody knows exactly who Jack the Ripper was? A black 3D silhouette perhaps?

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Hitler, like the swastika, is a symbol of Nazism. So as it is against the law in Germany to display Nazi symbols, the museum found itself in a catch 22 situation.

However a museum is a place where history is recorded and displayed and to not display an image of Hitler and the swastika could be seen as trying to alter history.

What we don’t know is if the law gave museums exemptions from that law because of the nature of what a museum does.

As for the act itself, it is just simple vandalism and the miscreant should be punished according to their law.

As for Germans having to be ashamed of what their ancestors did? If that is the case then we should also be ashamed of some of the horrendous actions of our ancestors.

It was the British who invented concentration camps in South Africa during the Boer War where hundreds of old men, women and children were interned in conditions that would have brought recriminations in today’s world – and many died there too.
It was the British who colonised Australia and pushed the indigenous people aside.
It was the British who raped and pillaged India.
It was the British who sent young orphaned children to Australia for what turned out to be a very, very hard and strict life often accompanied by physical and sexual abuse.
It was the British who condoned the Boers introducing apartheid in South Africa.
It was the British who pushed aside the Palestinians to create the state of Israel.
It was the British who got rich on slavery.

Shouldn’t we British also be ashamed of our past?

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Personally i think the museum were right to have a wax image of hitler, also i think that beheading him is hilarious, have met many krauts having visited the country, also when i lived abroad, in the main i can't bloody stand the arrogant gits, but some i met were very nice n helpful. so good n bad everywhere, just more bad wi them is my thoughts.

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The swastika (and its variants) actually originates in the Hindu religion and was hijacked by the Nazis. Just go to any Hindu Temple (the nearest is in Preston I think, and it's a beautiful building) and you'll see numerous swastikas.

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So they found him after all. Shame they didn't wait for him to go trial before beheading him :)

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Looks like Blazey and JB took exception to my little collage. :D

I'll do better next time.

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never knew that T.M. cheers.:)

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You're welcome Cashy my man. ;)

I went to the temple in Preston and I was made very welcome. As I wandered around I noticed a number of swastikas and asked someone (a Hindu) what they meant. He explained the whole thing to me.

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I can just see the headline in the Daily Mail now "Hindus in swastika scandal - we reveal the shocking truth!" ;)

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Hehehe! Quite right. I wonder how they go on in Germany? Hindus I mean, not Daily Mail journalists. ;)

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well if they are treated like me n late missus was, by shop/restaraunt staff etc, they will not fare very well.:rolleyes:

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They probably have special dispensation because of their religion...and the German equivalent of the Daily Mail probably runs shock, horror stories about it. :D

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Made me laugh.

Fancy sticking Eva Braun's head on Hitler's body.

What are you like?

:p

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:D:D:D Very good.

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The swastika is actuly older then the hindus, it origentates from the accent egyptions the only thing hittler did was turn it upside down. I don't know if anyone has ever been to Egypt at an seen in the pyremids but you will find it there in the hyrogliphics.

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Just wondering what would happen if they put a wax figure of Mohamed in the museum:rolleyes:

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Hi John sorry to pull you up on something,but its actually a criminal offence for any German to be in denial of what Hitler and the Nazi regime did.Only found that out the other week Off a friend who is Bavarian.You learn something new every day LOL :D

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Hitler may be gone but I AM SURE HE HAS FAMILY DESCENDANTS AROUND they are coming out and making our life a misery.

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Yet in Japan what they did i believe is denied and not taught at school because of the shame it brought on the country.

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Very interesting. I've been having a scour around and it seems that the image is even older than the ancient Egyptians, dating back to the Neolithic age (up to 4000BC, or 6000 years ago). I'm going to have a proper look at this when i get the time.

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Aren't those Gremlins?

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Good chance of that TM. :D

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In 2001, David Gardner released a book called "The Last of the Hitlers", where he recounts his search for Hitler's living relatives in the male line (those that would keep the surname "Hitler" through marriage). Although Adolf Hitler had no children, Gardner traced Hitler's nephew William Patrick Hitler, son of Alois Hitler Jr, Adolf's half-brother. William was born and raised in England, moved to Germany for a short time, later fled and wrote a book criticizing his uncle, and finally moved to the US. He joined the US Navy during World War II. After the war, his family sought anonymity. William Patrick Hitler is one of the better known relatives of Adolf Hitler because he wrote and lectured about his uncle, and was widely reported by the media. After World War II, William and his family desired anonymity, which Gardner respected in his book by not releasing their assumed surname. William died in 1987, but he has three living sons that are native born Americans (a fourth son died in the late 1980s). It was initially suggested that the brothers made a pact never to marry or have children, in order to put an end to Hitler's male line, but one of the brothers claimed that he knew of no such pact.

On the female line, there appear to be living descendants of Hitler's half-sister Angela, who married Leo Raubal Sr. and had three children, two of which appear to have survived World War II.

Adolf Hitler only had one full sibling that survived into adulthood, Paula Hitler. She never married or had children, and died in 1960.

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Nicely copied off Wiki :D

To be honest, what does it matter? Unless you believe that fascism and anti-semetism is passed on genetically. ;)

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:D:D:p:p:D:D I started typing my own, but got bored! lol.

I agree with your statement though. I think that sort of thing is only passed on if they are told it, and its drummed into them from birth.

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or if they join the conservative party.:D;)

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how dare you compare hitler to the tories

at least hitler wouldnt charge the jews train fare

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I think some tories would look good in jackboots n leather. :D Where communism was the ultra side of the left facists where the ultra right so lets draw our own conclusions from that.