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garinda 05-07-2008 16:04

Hug-a-hoody Tory mugged by hoodies.
 
Although violence is never funny, there is a certain amusing irony about this story, which saw 'Dave' Cameron's hug a hoody speech writer, attacked by hoodies.

Perhaps now the Conservatives will come up with another idea about tackling the feral youth of Britain, rather than telling us to hug them.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4265550.ece

andrewb 05-07-2008 16:14

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I think this just highlights the problems with our broken society. I shouldn't need to mention it but he never mentioned hugging hoodies, the term was engineered by a tabloid. It's a shame some papers can't look at the issue and see that what we're doing at the moment is simply not working, we need a different approach to fix our broken society.

derekgas 05-07-2008 16:18

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Wonderful garinda, well spotted, there was a similar thing some years ago with a counciller saying police should not be chasing around after car thieves, weeks later he was chatting to a patrol car driver, and his car drove past them, the councillor told the patrol car driver 'dont sit there, get after them' was a peach!

cashman 05-07-2008 16:21

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wether said or not is irrelevant as the speech was advocating a " Softer Approach to Violent Crime" i think its very ironic.:rolleyes: wonder if he still feels the same?

andrewb 05-07-2008 16:23

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 602539)
wether said or not is irrelevant as the speech was advocating a " Softer Approach to Violent Crime" i think its very ironic.:rolleyes: wonder if he still feels the same?

What absolute rubbish! They are not soft on crime, that would be silly. Its about understanding why there are kids that do things like this. Looking at how we can solve the problems.

cashman 05-07-2008 16:26

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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 602542)
What absolute rubbish!

well it was the Times,it aint no socialist rag.:D

andrewb 05-07-2008 16:31

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 602543)
well it was the Times,it aint no socialist rag.:D

Indeed it is, I hope you're not under the illusion that every historically right paper and every left paper do nothing but publish positive articles for the respective party as some kind of propaganda machine. :p

garinda 05-07-2008 16:34

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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 602535)
I think this just highlights the problems with our broken society. I shouldn't need to mention it but he never mentioned hugging hoodies, the term was engineered by a tabloid. It's a shame some papers can't look at the issue and see that what we're doing at the moment is simply not working, we need a different approach to fix our broken society.

My quote's from the Times.

You'll find it's been reported in most of the press.

Surely all the press can't be wrong.

It's even in the arch Tory Bible, the Daily Telegraph.

cashman 05-07-2008 16:34

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not really papers publish what sells n sod the impact on folk, but far as i'm aware the times do not fund the labour party.

andrewb 05-07-2008 16:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 602553)
not really papers publish what sells n sod the impact on folk, but far as i'm aware the times do not fund the labour party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia
At the end of the Thatcher/Major era, Murdoch switched his support to the Labour Party and the party's leader Tony Blair. The closeness of his relationship with Blair and their secret meetings to discuss national policies was to become a political issue in Britain.

But yes I agree, the papers publish things and write things in a way that will get the most reads.

Less 05-07-2008 16:43

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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 602542)
What absolute rubbish! They are not soft on crime, that would be silly. Its about understanding why there are kids that do things like this. Looking at how we can solve the problems.

(Less puts on his care in the community voice),
Of course it's absolute rubbish! Anyone with sense would know that a Conservative only cares about Conservatives, (though like with Roman Emporer's watch out for the blade between the shoulders), if there is one thing Conservatives won't be soft on it's crime from the blue collar class, after all most of the white collar crimes are caused by people that vote in one certain direction.
I doubt that any Conservative can understand how a hoody thinks it's right that he should commit crimes to earn financial gain, perhaps it's for the same reason as the fraudulent millionaire? Greed?
:confused:

andrewb 05-07-2008 16:45

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I think we should have a philosophical debate on human nature. ;) :D

garinda 05-07-2008 16:53

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 602561)
I doubt that any Conservative can understand how a hoody thinks it's right that he should commit crimes to earn financial gain, perhaps it's for the same reason as the fraudulent millionaire? Greed?
:confused:

Unless of course the hoodies are going to vote Conservative, attracted by the soft and caring attitude Cameron has for them.

Perhaps he'll suggest that mugging is really a burgeoning small business enterprise, and deserves a start up grant.

WillowTheWhisp 05-07-2008 19:51

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Ah but you see he tried to stop a gang stealing a moped. He should have taken Boris J's advice and kept out of it. ;)

Gayle 05-07-2008 20:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 602559)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch



But yes I agree, the papers publish things and write things in a way that will get the most reads.

But they write things that will get 'most reads' by their target audiences - so for example the Daily Mail knows that it will get most reads by its target of 'outraged of middle England' whereas the Guardian is going for 'most reads' by people who wear aran sweaters and eat lentils. :D

So of course they're biaised.

Neil 05-07-2008 20:37

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 602638)
So of course they're biaised.

So which biased papers do you read , beside the Accy Observer?

Maybe The Telegraph ;)

Gayle 05-07-2008 20:50

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 602643)
So which biased papers do you read , beside the Accy Observer?

Maybe The Telegraph ;)

What do you think?

Lentil and orange soup is delicious ;)

Bonnyboy 05-07-2008 22:56

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 602529)
violence is never funny


That says it all for me. I do see the irony, cant see the amusement though

grannyclaret 06-07-2008 15:54

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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 602542)
What absolute rubbish! They are not soft on crime, that would be silly. Its about understanding why there are kids that do things like this. Looking at how we can solve the problems.

A clip round the ear wouldent do any harm,,, its your namby pamby attitude to kids that let them get away with anything today,, its a shame some of OUR parents and grandparents arnt around today,, Just one look would make you behave yourself,:gooddog:

andrewb 06-07-2008 15:59

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Originally Posted by grannyclaret (Post 602938)
A clip round the ear wouldent do any harm,,, its your namby pamby attitude to kids that let them get away with anything today,, its a shame some of OUR parents and grandparents arnt around today,, Just one look would make you behave yourself,:gooddog:

I most certainly dont have a namby pamby attitude! :D

Loz 06-07-2008 17:49

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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 602940)
I most certainly dont have a namby pamby attitude! :D

I thought Tory and Namby Pamby went together like Fish and Chips!:p

cashman 06-07-2008 22:11

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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 602940)
I most certainly dont have a namby pamby attitude! :D

i would certainly not agree with that.

garinda 06-07-2008 22:23

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 603167)
i would certainly not agree with that.

Didn't andrewb used to be called NambiPambi on here, or am I getting mixed up?

I do think it's odd when people keep changing their user names.:D

cashman 06-07-2008 22:52

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 603186)
Didn't andrewb used to be called NambiPambi on here, or am I getting mixed up?

I do think it's odd when people keep changing their user names.:D

now thats unfair, i reckon it was cos he wants everyone to know who he is.:eek:;)

accyman 09-07-2008 07:04

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 603211)
now thats unfair, i reckon it was cos he wants everyone to know who he is.:eek:;)

hes the one up camerons ass mate ;)

SPUGGIE J 09-07-2008 08:54

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 603211)
now thats unfair, i reckon it was cos he wants everyone to know who he is.:eek:;)


The question is do we want to know who he is?


Is he after this by any chance? :thankya::thankya::thankya:

andrewb 11-07-2008 09:56

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This is like a conspiracy theory. I changed it because I didn't like the old one I created many moons ago. Nothing more to it than that I'm afraid!

blazey 11-07-2008 10:19

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If all we do is punish people and don't consider the reasons for the behaviour in the first place then it will keep on recurring.

Since the existance of nuclear families has become less and less common as different types of family have become more common and acceptable, such as single parent families and even same sex families to an extent, it seems the attitudes of young people are changing for the worst and they are becoming more unhappy in life and resorting to violence, drinking, drugs and underage sex.

Whilst there is nothing WRONG with different types of family, the conservative party want to strengthen families and create a more stable environment in the home for young people so that they are hopefully less likely to resort to criminal activity. Whilst we may be wrong about the cause of this attitude in young people, it is at least an attempt to find the root of the problem.

A weed has to be pulled out by the root, you can't just chop its head off or it'll keep coming back.

SPUGGIE J 11-07-2008 10:37

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If lilly livered spineless pc loving halfwits left us alone to raise kids with a good hiding we wouldn't in my opinion halve have the problems we have. Bad enough that Euroland, with cowering compliance from our politictions has given these little horrors so much protection that even the law is powerless in some cases. A good hiding never did me any harm because to get into trouble lead to it so easy and less painful to stay out of trouble if I could and I am no angel.

flashy 11-07-2008 10:39

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 605186)
If lilly livered spineless pc loving halfwits left us alone to raise kids with a good hiding we wouldn't in my opinion halve have the problems we have. Bad enough that Euroland, with cowering compliance from our politictions has given these little horrors so much protection that even the law is powerless in some cases. A good hiding never did me any harm because to get into trouble lead to it so easy and less painful to stay out of trouble if I could and I am no angel.


well said spuggie, i couldnt agree more

blazey 11-07-2008 10:42

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I think parents who hit their children need to go to a parenting class. Many people learn discipline without being physically beaten, it's just not necessary in my opinion, at least not as often as it's used.

If violence is the only solution for violence then it is a very sad society we're living in.

BERNADETTE 11-07-2008 10:50

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Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 605188)
well said spuggie, i couldnt agree more

Same here the trouble today is there are no consequences for bad behaviour!!!! If you send a kid to their room it is not a punishment because most kids have all they need in there. Was very rare for me to get into trouble at school and if I did wasn't in the habit of running home to tell my Mum because I got told off by her as well!!!!

SPUGGIE J 11-07-2008 11:06

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 605191)
I think parents who hit their children need to go to a parenting class. Many people learn discipline without being physically beaten, it's just not necessary in my opinion, at least not as often as it's used.

If violence is the only solution for violence then it is a very sad society we're living in.

Then why are we out kicking ass in foreign countries? Biggest mistake the schools made was being banned from using the cane and strap for bad behavior. Trust me a good wack of the cane made you think twice about getting in bother.

accyman 11-07-2008 14:48

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 605191)
I think parents who hit their children need to go to a parenting class. .


i think people without kids should keep their opinions on parenting to themselves :idunno:

lancsdave 11-07-2008 15:29

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 605277)
i think people without kids should keep their opinions on parenting to themselves :idunno:

But then we wouldn't have any experts ;)

accyman 11-07-2008 16:46

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if a parent hits a child and it goes on to commit the same offence again then obviously the parent should be held totaly resposible..

for not hitting it hard enough the first time


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