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churchman phil 07-07-2008 17:57
Racism amongst Toddlers?
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7493654.stm

The above is a link to a news article I have just found. After reading all the commotion caused by the 'You will pray to Allah' thread, one must wonder if the loonies who make these directives are not themselves responsible for a nation becoming increasingly 'Racist'.

derekgas 07-07-2008 18:07
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Not in my opinion cp, It is some of the ethnics themselves who make us racist, for in my honest opinion, many of them are and always have been more racist than most of 'us', having said that, it is the government and thier one sidedness that has allowed this to be, nobody need call me a racist either, I am not, I just dont like some of them! :rolleyes:

churchman phil 07-07-2008 18:11
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Sorry, should probably have said partly responsible. There are obviously many other factors.
I agree with your comments too dg.

WillowTheWhisp 07-07-2008 18:11
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Quote:
It said: "A child may react negatively to a culinary tradition other than their own by saying, 'Yuck!"'.

That may indicate a lack of familiarity with that particular food, or "more seriously a reaction to a food associated with people from a particular ethnic or cultural community".
In my experience a child quite often reacts to a food he or she doesn't like by saying "yuck!" all that means is that they don't like the food. People should stop looking for hidden meanings that aren't there. It causes resentment which in turn leads to racism.

derekgas 07-07-2008 18:15
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There are no hidden meanings in taking the country for everything you can get willow, and worse, getting no resistance from the idiots who keep giving in to them.

Mancie 07-07-2008 19:30
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Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 603447)
Not in my opinion cp, It is some of the ethnics themselves who make us racist, for in my honest opinion, many of them are and always have been more racist than most of 'us', having said that, it is the government and thier one sidedness that has allowed this to be, nobody need call me a racist either, I am not, I just dont like some of them! :rolleyes:
Who are "them" ?

emamum 07-07-2008 19:33
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If the parents are racist then the kids will be to.... it is possible for them to be racist, a little lad (the same one that used to like to pee in peoples handbags lol) used to shout racist remarks and his dad was the most racist person i have ever met!

mani 07-07-2008 19:35
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*LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL* @ mancie

how can anyone make anyone else racist is beyond me

emamum 07-07-2008 19:36
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Originally Posted by mani (Post 603500)
*LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL* @ mancie

how can anyone make anyone else racist is beyond me
remember the christmas fiasco Mani.....' the things i do to help you celebrate your christmas' pmsl....everybody gets accused of racism now-a-days!

mani 07-07-2008 19:39
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exactly. i just try to be helpful and try to make sure some kid gets his nintendo wii or ds and bang! i'm racist all of a sudden!

emamum 07-07-2008 19:47
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Its thrown about a lot now.....

Now i am not racist and i am very offended if i am accused of racism....

I used to live in a muslim area and was looking for a nursery for Tyler.... I went to and open day and all the staff were asian and were speaking punjabi as were the parents, I asked how many white children there would be in the class and was told Ty was the only one..... I refused the place and was accused of being racist!


Would it be fair for my child to go to a nursery and be the odd one out, it wasnt racism... it was wanting the best for my child and i dont see that nursery as multi-cultural.... the nursery i sent ty to was multicultural and it was good for him.........

Lilly 07-07-2008 20:49
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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 603510)
Its thrown about a lot now.....

Now i am not racist and i am very offended if i am accused of racism....

I used to live in a muslim area and was looking for a nursery for Tyler.... I went to and open day and all the staff were asian and were speaking punjabi as were the parents, I asked how many white children there would be in the class and was told Ty was the only one..... I refused the place and was accused of being racist!


Would it be fair for my child to go to a nursery and be the odd one out, it wasnt racism... it was wanting the best for my child and i dont see that nursery as multi-cultural.... the nursery i sent ty to was multicultural and it was good for him.........
Good for you, Emamum. :D

I once faced a similar dilemma.

There is a perfectly good school very near to my house. However, 97% of the pupils there are asian so, not wanting my child to be in a 3% minority, I didn't send him there.

I am not racist. I just didn't think that this school would be the best one for him. He could read fluently before he started school so I didn't think that starting in a reception class alongside pupils who couldn't read / speak English very well / at all would be the best environment for him to progress and fulfil his potential.

WillowTheWhisp 07-07-2008 21:18
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Originally Posted by mani (Post 603506)
exactly. i just try to be helpful and try to make sure some kid gets his nintendo wii or ds and bang! i'm racist all of a sudden!
lol mani I was accused of being racist because I said I had to stop and think what race my friends are because I just think of them as human beings and have to actually think about it to come up with who is what race. In fact I know a family where the Mum is black and the Dad is white but I have to think hard to 'see' him as white because to me they are all just the one family and race/colour doesn't register.

SPUGGIE J 07-07-2008 21:56
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Some children are not just racist but also sexist bigots and in some case sectarian as well. Who takes the blame for this parents the PC brigade schools other kids or tv?

Mancie 07-07-2008 22:04
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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 603591)
Some children are not just racist but also sexist bigots and in some case sectarian as well. Who takes the blame for this parents the PC brigade schools other kids or tv?
yep I reckon it's the TV ..tranvestites..Danny LaRue and Lilly Savage have got alot to answer for all this!

flashy 07-07-2008 22:07
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i'm sexist....i only like men

SPUGGIE J 07-07-2008 22:17
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 603598)
yep I reckon it's the TV ..tranvestites..Danny LaRue and Lilly Savage have got alot to answer for all this!
A nice example there. Though through personal experience of how kids (not mine) are brought up parents bad habits are picked up. Sad though it sounds there is a large minority that will become the next scurge of life.

cashman 07-07-2008 23:14
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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 603610)
A nice example there. Though through personal experience of how kids (not mine) are brought up parents bad habits are picked up. Sad though it sounds there is a large minority that will become the next scurge of life.
that don't add up spug, mine are quite sensible.:D;)

Mancie 07-07-2008 23:19
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And that geezer Dale Winslet (ooer ummm ..shut that door) it's all gone wrong..bleedin nonce case! :D

SPUGGIE J 08-07-2008 07:36
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 603635)
that don't add up spug, mine are quite sensible.:D;)
Brain wasnt working properly last night. There are kids that do, as in another thread soak stuff up like a spunge. On leaving the house the other day the little squirt next door to me was singing songs of a racist nature in front of his little sister which she picked up and was trying hard to make it sound right. The mother didnt check them at all but agreed that as per the song that the grocery shop owner was a "****" (swear word here). Yet he is from India not Pakistan. Tried to convince them otherwise, mother included he was not From Pakistan but to no avail for the mother was convinced that all dark skinned peoples are "****" No wonder kids are so readily racist when surrounded by such guff from the pop day till they die. To emamums point about the nuserary then they were the rasist ignorent ones. How would one of them have reacted if say they lived in North Wales and the nuserary was full of welsh speakers? Kids pick up more and more and there is no real counter to it.

blazey 08-07-2008 08:03
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Firstly, I don't agree that racist adults produce racist children. My stepdad was racist and I despise it (though maybe that's because I despise him).

Secondly, on a note relating to what willow was saying about having to stop and think what race people are, I once did something rather humorous in my sociology class in my first year of college. Here's how it goes.

Basically, there was a interviewing process going on at college and it required the opinions of white girls. Anyway, I was the only girl who seemed to be able to volunteer, the others all piped up saying they had things to do and whatever, and so I turned to my muslim friend nassira and said 'why don't you do it?' to which she answered 'because i'm not white'. She's half african/half asian. Now, I felt a bit silly of course for this, but my teacher said it was lovely how it clearly showed that I didn't show any sort of regard to what colour people are, we're all just the same. My friend wasn't offended by it either, but I still feel a bit silly about it today!

If anyones curious, they were just trying to get us to say we were uncomfortable by the full veil being worn to college, to which I saw through right away and said it didn't bother me. Would've hated it if they had used my answers to try and stop people wearing it to college and stuff like that, especially as it was the time of Jack Straw's comments about it, so I kept my answers short and sweet :p.

I hate racism, but I think the only way for a child THAT age to be racist is if the parents have taught them that, otherwise they're just reacting negatively to it because it is strange and new to them, and they'll soon get used to it.

WillowTheWhisp 08-07-2008 08:30
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The daft thing about all these rules and laws and what have you about racism is that it doesn't matter what you do it will not change how people actually feel. If people with one colour of skin dislike people with a different colour of skin making laws about it isn't actually going to stop them disliking each other. They may well pretend on the surface that they are not and never will be racist but underneath they still are and always will be.

I worked with someone like that. She was nice as pie to the new girl who started but behind her back she was complaining that 'standards had fallen' because 'we were now employing people of an inferior race'!

Unfortunately it can actually often be counter productive because it tends to irritate and annoy the people who would never have considered what race or colour another person is until laws and rules appear which segregate people into ethnic groups.

If A and B are the same race/colour and A falls out with B it is simply seen as a difference of opinion between two people. If A and C are different race and A falls out with C some do-gooder group then rears its ugly head and accused A of being racist against C. A objects to this. B jumps on the bandwagon and before you know it A and B are developing racist feelings against 'that lot' because they can't stand on their own two feet. C then feels that the do-gooders were right all along and A really was being racist and before you know it the whole things has got completely out of hand.

SPUGGIE J 08-07-2008 08:52
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If people hate a darker skinned person then why do these same people go abroad to get a good sun tan? Could it be jealousy?

Is not a case that what is not understood through ignorence is to be seen as a threat? If so it makes our society no better than that of the eraof the crusades to the middle ages?

To Blazey's point on kids being taught racism then not chastizing them when they are racist sexist bigotted etc are they not then condoning it and therefore by default encouraging it?

Untill we reach a state where, by education on all levels, race colour religion equality etc are accepted by all then we are no different than animals. We rate ourselves as better than animals but seem to behave worse than them at times.We have a long way to go but with luck if tolerance is taught from the cradle onwards we will better ourselves.

WillowTheWhisp 08-07-2008 09:16
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I readily admit that I envy people with brown skin. I think it looks much nicer than the pale pasty and pathetic that I have been lumbered with. I wish I'd inherited my mother's colouring but unfortunately I didn't. I took after my Dad. :(

cashman 08-07-2008 10:30
Re: Racism amongst Toddlers?
 
in the main small kids do pick up on whats learnt from mum n dad,also older siblings, when they get older they make their own minds up, so at that point i agree with Blazey. i always look at the person, colour,religion, etc is not a factor, never has been, i slag coloured people, different nationalities off regular,but thats me, i slag every ****** off,some sad gits interpet that as racism,but thats just life, theirs idiots everywhere.:rolleyes:

WillowTheWhisp 08-07-2008 10:51
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You remind me of something Bernard Manning once said when he was accused of being racist:
"Me? Racist? Don't be $^**&%! daft. I hate every £$%^&*!" :D

cashman 08-07-2008 13:09
Re: Racism amongst Toddlers?
 
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 603804)
You remind me of something Bernard Manning once said when he was accused of being racist:
"Me? Racist? Don't be $^**&%! daft. I hate every £$%^&*!" :D
hey met the guy a couple of times n no way he was racist, though many would disagree, but they are just people that think they know.:rolleyes:;)

SPUGGIE J 08-07-2008 17:45
Re: Racism amongst Toddlers?
 
:Banane36:(my view)

Racism:- a supposed insult offence injustice inequality intolerance of a person not of the same country in the mind of a blinkered narrow minded minority.

other definitions
racism:-the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsicallysuperior to members of other racesracism:-discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race
and my favourite

Racism is an ideological, structural and historic stratification process by which the population of European descent, through its individual and institutional distress patterns, intentionally has been able to sustain, to its own best advantage, the dynamic mechanics of upward or downward mobility (of fluid status assignment) to the general disadvantage of the population designated as non-white (on a global scale), using skin color, gender, class, ethnicity or nonwestern nationality as the main indexical criteria used for enforcing differential resource allocation decisions that contribute to decisive changes in relative racial standing in ways most favoring the populations designated as 'white.'


Shoot me later. :Banane36:

shillelagh 08-07-2008 20:00
Re: Racism amongst Toddlers?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 603912)
:Banane36:(my view)

Racism:- a supposed insult offence injustice inequality intolerance of a person not of the same country in the mind of a blinkered narrow minded minority.

other definitions
racism:-the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsicallysuperior to members of other racesracism:-discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race
and my favourite

Racism is an ideological, structural and historic stratification process by which the population of European descent, through its individual and institutional distress patterns, intentionally has been able to sustain, to its own best advantage, the dynamic mechanics of upward or downward mobility (of fluid status assignment) to the general disadvantage of the population designated as non-white (on a global scale), using skin color, gender, class, ethnicity or nonwestern nationality as the main indexical criteria used for enforcing differential resource allocation decisions that contribute to decisive changes in relative racial standing in ways most favoring the populations designated as 'white.'


Shoot me later. :Banane36:
I'll do it now if you dont make me a brew!!!! :D


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