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a dad was branded a pervert for taking photos of his own children on a slide in the park.but yet a press photographer can take photos of children and put them in the paper for every one to look at, what are your views on this.

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hi willow, it was on g m tv this morning they interviewed the dad .

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pathetic, I've taken loads of pictures of Siobhan playing in a park. OK I made a concious effort to avoid having other peoples kids in teh pictures for this very reason but to be branded for pictures of my own daughter?

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It is hard to do a google.


Father-of-three branded a 'pervert' - for photographing his own children in public park | Mail Online

:rolleyes:

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i heard it on GMTV too, cant seem to find a link on their website for the story though

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If it was a mum taking pics nothing would have been said..

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thats worth thinking about,keep( up the no smoking)

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That's exactly why I took some lousy pictures of the play area at Mercer Park for Eric in Canada do show him what it looked like now (he lived opposite) ... this type of reaction was what I was worried about, even though I am a woman. :(

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You're right Ema, If I was in a park with the little one and saw a man taking photos, I would be wary.

I have been in this situation before and just watched that the man actually had children of their own there. Once I;ve made sure of this, then I would relax, but until then, I admit I would be concerned

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This is exactly why when I saw a young lad fall off his bike and sit crying in a large puddle, I just walked on by.

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would you do the same if it was a woman?

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Thanks Less.


In which case the interfering woman who accused him of being a perv should have been told to shut up and butt out. He showed them that the images were of his own children.

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This is just how bad this country is getting, George Orwells 1984 was a novel, now I'm not so sure that he couldn't see into the future

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think i mentioned before, i do exactly the same, its a terrible state of affairs,but men have not much choice.:(

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I was taking pictures at a show near Scunthorpe the other week. Nobody seemed to bother me there despite me taking pictures of all the children playing on the bouncy castle.

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maybe its not as bad, end of the day yer only young n look it cyfr.

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It's being discussed on radio 2 sometime after 12-00

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stupid!!, thats what it is, the whole country has gone bloody daft!!

My son was in the newspaper for his school, did they ask permission off me to put it in?....no, but then again you do fill out a form at the begining of term mentioning giving permission for that sort of thing:rolleyes:


Id be more concerned if they where playing in the park and some fella/woman was taking pictures who were not there with ANY kids:(

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Shame on you!!!! irrespective of the change in social attitudes I could never do that lets back to a sense of normallity and know what is right and what is wrong

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It must have been obvious to a fool that this was a family day out, the bloke was doing nothing wrong!!

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you have never been in such a position as a male, so therefore ya aint a bloody clue what yer talking about.:mad:

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No shame at all. I'd do the same thing again. If a serious injury was resulting then of course I'd do something, but I'd never approach a child in the street nowadays. It just isn't worth it, and I work with young people on a daily basis.

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30 odd years ago when my 3 sons were little,we took a photo of them and the 2 little girls who lived next door ,all having fun in just their under pants and knickers,innocently ,playing in an home made pool and a hose pipe on a hot summersday,My God we would be branded as perverts today..:oWHAT A SICK WORLD NOW

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spot on granny, how the hell have we got to this position? its a deep question, one i reckon the folk with common sense will have some inkling, the do-gooders n P.C. brigade will be clueless.;)

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Going a little overboard over there aren't we .... sure there are pervs out there, but the vast majority of men do not belong in that category .... but it does seem to be a common trend to condemn the whole group for the actions of a small minority ....

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Its beyond the Joke!!! What is the world coming to where you cant take pics of your OWN kids.
"Daddy, take a pic of me standing next to goofy!"
"Sorry son, i might get called a perv or something"

Its a disgrace!

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It's seems like it is hard for a man to defend himself against allegations of perversion .... what does a guy do? Wear a t-shirt saying "I'm Not A Pervert." Or "I'm Not a Rascist," or anything like that ... When half of your country's population is placed on the defensive, because of the actions of a relatively small number of individuals something has gone wrong. And this at a time that kids in the developed countries have never had it so good .... they are not sent down the mines, or up flues any more .... they are not sold into slavery or brothels like they still are in some countries. I realize that there probably is a group who believe and act on the belief, that all men are potential perverts. The stupidity of it .... all men are potential cello players too.

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I'm just wondering if perverts are born or do they become perverts due to certain influences in their early lives .... simply: are perverts born or made, or is it a little of both?

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Anyone that gets close to my child, I watch, male or female.

When I say 'concerned' I dont mean I'd run up to them, brandishing a hand bag, screaming "getaway pervert". I mean I would watch them.

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THATS why i'm banned from the park!!!!

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yes it is for i dont no how to post from google ok

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George Orwell and another George, George Carlin, both expressed concerns about language and what was and is happening to it. The essence of "1984" is Newspeak, which is an extreme form of politically correct language. And it is language that will change society. Language is more than just what we speak, it is what we live in; and it defines us as a culture and a society. It seems that in language, "man" or "men" is becoming a bad word. And it is no surprise that society's attitudes are affected by this distortion. It's a short, and not very logical trip, from calling that metal thing in the road a "person hole cover", or referring to "the person in the moon" to seeing all men as potential threats to the precious innocence of children.

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I think hat puts it in a nut shell Eric, the worlds become an intolerant place, where every one is guilty until proved innocent, I'm sure thats not the way it was suposed to be, but in a way we are to blame for letting it happen

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What do you mean I've never been in such a position? You mean I've never gone to help a child in difficulty, how do you know? It's time people started taking responsibility rather than saying not my problem

I'm well aware of the implications of child abuse both through my employment and also through 20 plus years of working with young people and despite all my knowledge and experience there is no way I could not provide some care for a child in danger. you can provide reassurance to a child with a kindly word there is no need for any physical contact but it seems some people would cross to the other side of the road.

Well done Bonnyboy for your actions obviously despite your reservations which I do understand you took the common sense approach

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Couldn't you just relax and assume he has kids of his own there, and then only get concerned if it becomes apparent that's not the case? In the example you quoted above, he's guilty until proven innocent...

It doesn't seem to occur to the PC brigade that we are damaging our children by leaping to the rescue whenever they interact with a man they don't know.


Oh dear. I don't think I'll be agreeing with this post any time soon...

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Well if every father taking pictures of his kids was branded a pervert you would never get loads of wonderful childhood memories captured for eternity.
I had loads of pics taken of me as a kid by my mum and dad,some in swimming cossies,in the bath,in paddling pools with other kids etc..
I guess if my dad was doing that today and i was still a kid he would have been branded a pervert.
What a sad depressing world we live in:mad:

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Its got to the stage now where even if its ****ing/pouring down with rain I feel like have to drive by neighbourhood kids on their way walking to/from school, (the ones I know and have seen grow from babies up to their teens) , no way do I want the label of 'dirty old man' , have spoken to the parents and explained why , and they agree , society is way out of whack , but understand my actions .
Something is sadly wrong with society where we have gone from looking out for each other to being wary of a neighbour who you have known for 20 odd years .

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a man this week was attacked by four youths when he was trying to administer forst aid to a female , the man wa son the phone to 999 while he was treating the girl and the youths were screaming that he was a pervert while they were kicking him

will try and find a link

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It appears from what your saying steeljack that things are just the same accross the pond as they are over here, so its not just a British disease. I suppose there is the dogooding brigade in every country, the bleeding heart liberals are not just unique to our country:(

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I'll try not to allow it to impact on my sleep patterns. ;)

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i said as a "Male" ya evaded answering that? with yer knowledge n experience i assumed you would be able to read. sorry.

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I thought hedman was a bloke. :confused:

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So did i!!
Unless i'm missing something!:confused:

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I must be an innocent little soul.

If I was in the park with my children I would not object to anyone taking photos. I would assume that they would have children there.

My kids are only 7 and 4 so if they go to the park I go with them.

I don't think about paedophiles but, like I say, I am there so I can make sure mine don't come to any harm.

It might be different if I weren't there but I don't mind photos being taken.

Why would a pervert want to take a photo of a child on a slide?

I'm sure there's much more titillating stuff to be found on the internet. :confused:

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It's not that bad here yet .... I think it has something to do with the nature of Canada; apart from the large cities Montreal, TO, Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver most of our country is still more rural than urban. And the small town values are still around. I have lived in small communities where people don't lock their doors, leave their keys in their cars, and generally get along as neighbours should ... helping one another and watching out for each other. I imagine that our buddy in Culpeper has a different experince from our buddy in California.

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Whats that got to do with anything Loz, there's a bloke in the states just had a baby:D

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Good God Eric that sounds just like Ossy 40 years ago, where the hell did it all go wrong:eek:

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When you put too many rats in a box they will eat each other.

We are overcrowded, and immigration is making it worse.
Haven't you noticed that people are spending more time barricaded in their castles/homes because they don't feel safe beyond their own boundary?

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As a male single parent you wouldn't beleive the attitudes of some people when you tell them you live on your own with your daughter. I had several occasions where my daughter was fine to go and stop at her friends house overnight but all sorts of reasons were made by other parents if my daughter asked for their kids to stop at our house.:mad:

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God thats terrible.
If your daughter goes to stop at friends regulary then their parents will obviously know she is fine so to stop them coming to your house is nothing short of scandulous.
What are they trying to say about you?

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It doesn't happen now because I'm not a single parent anymore. If I was I suspect it would still happen.

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I was brought up by my dad from the age of 14 when my mum died and i always had my friends over,never a problem.
It's terrible that society is so cynical of everything nowadays.

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It doesn't surprise me at all Dave. A mate of mine, who was in a similar position to you, told me that he was treated like an outcast by mothers when he went to school to pick up his daughter.

Men are the new social disease.

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This is a sensitive subject really. When I was on the summer school this past week we weren't allowed to take pictures except on the departments camera, and the children and their parents all had to sign declaration forms to say this was ok. It is VERY important that this is done.

One year, before this process was introduced, the department took a picture of a group of children and it had their names under the picture and where they were from. One girl had a violent father who had an injunction against him. When he saw the picture in the publication he obviously found out where his daughter was staying and tracked her down and she had a very scary experience resulting from that.

Now you may think this is a different scenario, but if you took a picture in rhyddings park for example of your child and happened to get others in the background, and put it on a networking site or a forum for all to see, similar situations may end up happening.

The fact that it may or may not have happened to a woman is an issue, but we can't say it may have been different if it had been or not. Some people are just as wary or women as they are of men when it comes to their children.

I didn't look at it this way until I became a student ambassador and now I take it really seriously. We aren't allowed to hug children or touch them in a way that can be seen as inappropriately, can't tend to them at night when they are sick without getting another ambassador, can't be in any one on one situation with them with nobody else around. It is for EVERYONES protection though, not just the child's, so I find it quite important that it is stuck to even though it may seem unreasonable at times. When I say bye to my groups at the end of their course I high 5 them all, they can't all hug me goodbye and they feel sad about that, but that's just the way it is unfortunately. Either that or we put everyone at risk.

We even had seperate toilets when possible because public toilets are a very high risk place for student ambassadors if you end up being one on one with a student, yet you probably wouldn't even think of that on a normal day, but I know I certainly will in future, just to avoid being accused of anything myself. I guess it almost drives you to the point of paranoia but it's better than being accused of things!

I obviously haven't made this policy, but I think it is one we should all bear in mind when taking photographs or having contact with children. It makes quite a lot of sense anyway in my opinion.

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it realy irritates me that parents cant video their kids plays etc

like somone has said before a pervert isnt going to get his jollies from watching a kids nativity play when he can get the sort of pictures hes after from the internet

i have heard a few stories where boots have rang the police for people having pictures of their kids in the bath tub and its pathetic infact boots should have been fined for wasting police time if anything.

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Spot on accyman, My daughter has been to see me today with the grand kids, and she was telling me that she got a photo of the youngest, whos 14 months old, climbing out of the bath, an inocent family picture, but there are those who woud make this out to be something sinister:mad:

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I actually agree with the no filming of school plays policies now after realising how some young people will be put at risk if people may try to find them to take them away from their homes or harm them. It is solvable simply by teachers getting permission off every childs parent or guardian and only allowing family to go watch the plays. Of course some family members could themselves be dangerous around children, but that issue is one that really can't be solved in my opinion. Some schools still allow photos and films to be taken though. My sister's school allows photos taken on sports day so I assume they still allow photos at school plays too.

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A lot can be solved by "street proofing" kids .... the problem of sickos on the street has always been there .... I don't think it is any worse than it was back in the day. I really can't see how there could be an explosion of the perv population. Of course, there are those who will say "you can't be too careful." But I think you can. Parents can create images in a child's impressionable mind, of a world peopled by innumerable male perverts, lurking behind every bush. Does anyone have any knowledge of how this will affect young children ... particularly the boys?

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You are allowed to take pictures in schools after you sign a form.

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The situation is that all parents must sign a consent form giving their permission for their child to be recorded / photographed.

All parents need to give permission. If one parent refuses permission then nobody can film or take photos of the children as a group.

If you want photos of your own child you can pull them to one side and take photos at the end of the play but you can't photograph others who are performing if somebody's parents haven't approved.

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You're kidding, right?

The videos, whether filmed by the school for sale to parents, or filmed by a parent for their own use, will only be shown to a restricted set of people. In another thread I have open in a tab at the moment, I'm seeing the name of a child, mum's name and surname (I think), the school he goes to and, implicit in the fact he's leaving primary school, his age. If I were the sort of person that parents should worry about, that parent should be more worried about what she types online than what her school might put out on a play DVD.

The solution for schools is simple: Sell or issue tickets through parents only, My son's school have a reasonably sensible attitude to it: If names are rolled along in a title sequence, they don't have character names or any other way of matching name to face. I still think it's too restrictive, but it does appease those who might think school vids are a potential problem...

Our school has that one covered, too: Any child whose parent doesn't want them to be on video or photographed simply doesn't take part in the play.

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That's the simple solution and saves a lot of messing.

It's a shame for the child who misses out though. :(

I'm sure that most parents who refuse permission have a valid reason for doing so such as not wanting a violent ex partner to know their whereabouts.

There's no way to keep everyone happy....you either tell 29 sets of parents that they can't take photos or you have one little child who, through no fault of their own, can't be in the play.

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Is this a recent ruling in schools?
I'm sure when i was at primary and secondary school that there was never a problem with parents or teachers taking photos of plays or sports days etc... I've got a picture that was taken on the spur of the moment when we were in R.E class at high school,everybody got a copy and it holds good memories i guess this wouldn't be allowed now?
Very sad.

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bit of a wander from original thread , but somewhat similar theme.........

Just what do these Criminal records checks actually achieve ? for anyone with a record for messing with kids its highly unlikely he would apply for one in the first place , similarly a woman who has a record for shoplifting a tin of peas 15 yrs ago , is she barred from being a dinner lady ? , is a woman who has a conviction for 'soliciting' 40 yrs ago prevented from being a lollipop lady .....hardly seems fair
Question is, where is the line drawn and who decides , is it a qualified Judge or some clerk /typist in the council office
The more I read about it, the more it seems its just another sop to mass hysteria and a way of raising money from folks looking for a job .
Thanks

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Maybe I just think it makes sense because of my past situation. I guess it does sound stupid who doesn't have to ever experience that situation. Lucky you.

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You get a certificate showing convictions. For exempt jobs such as the police, care of vulnerable people (inc children) and the MoD, the certificate shows all convictions- not just those that have "expired" according to the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act.

The ludicrous thing is that it only shows that you've not been caught for any offences, if doesn't mean you've not perpetrated any.

You'd be surprised. You'd also be surprised how many times the report comes back with something worrying on it, and it's missed by the person responsible for checking.

The report itself doesn't bar you from doing anything. It's down to the interpretation of the person reading it. While one person might see a conviction for assault 20 years ago as a one-off, drink-fuelled anomaly; someone else might see it as a threat to national security.

The report is just a potted history of convictions. It's down to the organisation that commissions the report to decide if it contains anything worrying (I've just had one done for Scouts).

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Sorry for reviving this thread, but here's something I hadn't seen before, which works along the "all men are perverts" theory:

Airline sex discrimination