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With more disruption tomorrow and next week, what should the outcome be?

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i strongly recommend people to disregard this poll, cyfr has no idea whatsoever about negotiation, or if he does he is being evading the true basis of negotiation, i fer one will completly ignore this fallacy.:mad:

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Yep was thinking the same!!

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me too and I am one of the ones affected, although not in the union, my company only sets the pay through the union

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The options on your poll are slightly restrictive to say the least, as a UNISON member who has been on strike there is no way we will get 6% but with all negotiations you aim high and come to a compromise. It's probably hoped that we would get nearer to the inflation rate. I personally would accept 4% however I feel we will be lucky if we get it increased to 3%

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I'm fine for the poll to be remade to read 'above 2.45%' rather than 6%. I only wrote what they were asking for on the BBC. I will PM mick now.

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it completly insults the intelligence of anyone with common sense,:mad:

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above 2.45% and 6% still leaves a lot of scope and will not give any common sense response to your poll

The option of no rise is also not an option since the employers have already offered 2.45%, if they then offered nothing there would be civil war!!

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This is for accyweb people to give their opinion on what they think, its not binding. Clearly not going to suit everyone with the poll. Pm'ed mick about making it say 2.45+

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Simple answer, no.

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You have a fine career in politics mapped out because you evade answering direct questions!! Gayle asked you to give examples of innocent people detained as suspected terrorists, no reply. And I asked you if our MP's were happy to in effect settle for less than a rise in their pay and once again you didn't answer!!! The world is your oyster as long as you stick to politics as you are quite adept on not answering questions just deflecting them!!!

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agree with most bernie, but not with "fine career in politics" think the highest he will ever reach is local level.

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Raise to the offered 2.45%.
No other way.

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that surprises me shaker,can appreciate you knowing very little about negotiations, but always gave ya credit fer having more sense than cyfr.

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Just looking at the big picture cashman.
I claim to be no expert at all, just giving an opinion.

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I think you are in a slightly different position than the Council workers. Your company can make a pay rise relative to how well it is performing and the profits it is making.

Out of interest what percentage increase will be applied to the house/flat rents this year?

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Not to derail, but until you can give examples of terrorists that needed more than 28 days detention to convict your accusation is pretty hypocritical. Gutted.

(Sorry for derailing)

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Why is it hypocritical?? I did not say I would offer examples just that I would much rather the extra days in custody than any terroist slipping through the net!!!
May one ask why you have appeared again just to try and talk down to regular contributors??? You just appear to stick your oar in to try and stir things up without actually saying anything constructive!!!

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thats all well n good BB, but it NEVER starts from the TOP the tightening of the belts, just the peasants.:(

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From what I read, MPs are not doing too well in the belt tightening department.:rolleyes:

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may i hazard a guess? he always seems to appear when cyfr has dug himself in a hole. i wonder why?:rolleyes:

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Why I do things is nothing to do with any of this.

You're holding Cyfr up to standards that you yourself can't meet. I'm sure he didn't say he could offer examples either. That's why it's hypocritical. If I continued it would utterly derail the thread, so I won't.

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On this side of the big salty lake, MPs and MLAs vote themselves an increase whenever they feel that the voters are not paying attention:mad: Is it the same over there?

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OH NO YOU FOUND ME OUT! Dear everyone, I have no opinions of my own and I only ever talk when I want to anger cashman - er - I mean agree wholeheartedly with whatever Cyfr says.

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no over here the barstewards rub our noses in it.;)

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Just a thought: if MPs had to strike for more money, who would really miss them ... ?

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Are the bar stewards going on strike too:eek::eek::eek:

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grown ups have difficulty angering me, you child have no chance.:rolleyes:

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As part of the stock transfer (houses changing ownership) agreement with the council (which was in April 2001) rent increases were at inflation + 1% last year and this year it was increased by inflation levels only.

But the company still remains a not for profit company... i.e any profit made is put back into the company in the shape of improvements to the properties and for the next five years we have the "More than the landlord" scheme which is £5 million pounds (£1 million per year) to be spent by application for various things that can improve tenants lives...eg. works on playgrounds, fencing, environmental works, funding for local groups within our estates, supporting financially and practically with the local furniture stores and loads more

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I voted for 2.45% increase.
If it was to be any higher i would worry about council tax going up to cover the increase in wages.
People can get too greedy at times IMO.
When they took these jobs on they willingly did so knowing the wage structure,if you are not happy where you are look for employment elsewhere instead of striking and causing major inconveniences for everybody.

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I can understand then why they are unable to give you an increase higher than inflation, unless they are already making more in rents than wages and other outgoings. I suppose for your wage to increase at higher than inflation they would have to either increase the rents or reduce the service/maintenance/repairs etc.

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Just what we need, another Cyfrpoll!

I wonder if he's going to throw another little tantrum ("God I can't believe I'm having to argue these things...") when other members have the temerity to disagree with his views?

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The thing is I kind of agree with cashy here, I ain't a clue about negotiations, so leave it up to those who do. the only thing is that when people go on strike for more than they are offered, it starts the magic round-a-bout, wages go up then so do prices, its a never ending circle of events. I have always been amused with per centage wage increases 3% of £15,000 is £450 but 3% 0f £62,000 (aprox an MPs pay) is £1860 is big differance, thts why % are so miss leading

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Andrew.....Stop making polls!!!!!!!!!

can i start a poll to find out if he should be banned from making polls for, say a month?

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At next years awards ceremony I suggest a new category
Bore of the Year

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During the last rosy 10 years for the economy (and it has been) private industry gave reasonably high wage increases. Unfortunately public sector nad civil servants have had their increases tied to roughly 2.3% per annum. (Mine for instance has gone up 12.4% over the last 6 years). Now with inflation, mortgages and fuel costs I cannot tighten my belt any further as I have had to for "the good of the economy" for the last 10 years, this along with the reduction of staff by 30% over the last 4 years.

As it is difficult to live on the salary paid (this year I am due 1.3% increase) I agree that as negotiations have not so much broken down but a refusal by the employers to even negotiate through ACAS. Strike action has to be taken to force action on this impasse. Not to get the fabled 6% but to renegotiate a deal into something realistic.

For those of you who say "well if you don't like the salary get another job" I do my job to serve the public firstly and for renumeration secondly, however having been treated abysmally for years the increases in my outgoings has forced the issue to where we are today.

I haven't voted as the simplistic answers above do not deal with any of the major issues. I would vote for binding arbitration.

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well said stanaccy, agree with binding arbitration, the problem has always been at n impasse, you can go to A.C.A.S., which is independant arbitrators, fine but then both sides have to agree, thats were the problem lies, in many many cases the trade union suggest ACAS, n mangement refuse, therefore yer knackered, n have to ballot fer action. this fact is very rarely mentioned in the tabloids, its always " Militant Workers are on Strike" n these clowns are too wet behind the ears to be aware of it, either that or they blatantly disregard it, to suit their own political ends.:rolleyes:

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You mean the Tabloids would use things for their own political ends cashy, never:D

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no i mean cyfr.:D;)

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42days at the very least:hehetable

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and the rest...

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Who's striking next week? I'm a unison member and I haven't heard anything?

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Oh thats all right then, so long as you've cleared it up:D:rolleyes:

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Same as this week r so we're led to believe:confused:

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I did a quick google search this morning and again just now and can't find anything. Passport office is on strike for 3 days from next Wednesday.

Doubt Unison will strike again for at least 6 weeks as one of their key effects is the closing of schools, which will be closed anyway.

Maybe it's just Tory propoganda :D

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Only a Dingle would think of that:D