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IS IT RIGHT WHAT I HAVE JUST HEARD,
RUSSIA AT WAR? :confused:

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here you go........... BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Fighting worsens in South Ossetia

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Don't worry Tosh we're not getting dragged into this.

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It'll all be over by Christmas.:D

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where have i heard that one before ?

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Don't the Gas and Oil pipelines pass through Ossetia??

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yep seeminly the gorgians have been doing a bit of ethnic cleansing,well so say the russians:confused:

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Knocked it off as a joke thread at first.. but the Russians have slammed em with serious weapons..funny thing is the Yanks will do nothing to help the victims.. were as they would have supported them say 20yrs ago... Russia can do whatever it likes in the area .britain and America won't lift a finger.. because we are afriad !

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Dont agree with you on this one....not afraid but fully commited elsewhere?

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stand by for more fuel increases then, they pipe the oil through to turkey i think then its exported to the west.:mad::mad::mad:

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The American secretary of State under the control of Bush say's no action will be taken..no surprise..these people talk hard but as some have said..they don't have the forces to spread around and the Russians know it.. just like they have always done

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And we dont want world war three.;)

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Think you've had a bit too much rum over yonder Roy.
Our pitiful little island is most definitely scared. The government wouldn't dream of ever coming into conflict with Russia, Iran or China. We'd be crushed.

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not the West's problem , 15 years later I'm still confused about who were the good guys in the Balkan wars , Croat, Serbs or Bosnians , this seems to be similar ....who are the good guys , Russia , Georgians or the South Ossetians
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Why would we want to get involved in another conflict anyway?
Haven't we learnt our lessons already from Iraq etc...?
Why do we always seem to get involved with other countries issues?
Don't we have enough of our own at the moment?!

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Quite simple Loz, its what we do, usually:rolleyes:

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I know but it really winds me up that we have to involve ourselves in everybody elses business.
We send troops out to countries to fight wars that have nothing to do with us,we send billions of pounds to countries over issues that don't concern us when back home we are in the midst of a credit crunch which is affecting all.
Surely the money could be put to better use spent here on the NHS,schools,putting down the cost of fuel,gas etc..:mad:

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yeh loz,but only in conflicts that benefit us or the yanks n this dont.:rolleyes:

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the thing is they[gorgia] have applied to join nato.dont want to be alarmist but this is worrying.......gorgia even have troops n iraq

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Which they are pulling out to help with their own situation, and are appealing for help from the West .... is that us then ?

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doubt it very much Kate, nowt in it fer us. plus the good ole US will not pull our tail on this one.

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Well we are the West kate, but like cashy says, don't think uncle George W. will want to get involed, and Incapability Brown's in enough do do as it is at the moment:rolleyes:

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Talking of nukes ... after the break up of the Soviet Union, lots of nukes must have been left in the "break away" republics ... seems I read somewhere that the Ukraine had a bunch. Maybe Georgia has a few warheads left over from the soviet days ... this would make the conflict much more interesting and way more dangerous:eek:

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Leave Them To It Dont Wanna Start WW3 ;)

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ooooh i dont know, seems britain always gets caught up in affairs that arent sod all to do with us.

( kosovo...iraq....afghanistan!)
First the yanks will get involved ( probably on the russians side, seeing as they dont wanna risk all that crap again ) and then the brits will get involved defending the georgians due to the fact that we're still sore over that kgb agent being killed ( i forgot his name )...

I dunno, something just feels wrong cos it seems britain always gets called to help...just unsure which side they'll be fighting for.

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hey danny, theres noway us or the yanks will get involved, look back to the 60s with the "Cuba" crisis, they soon withdrew when they thought the ruskis would get involved, it just aint gonna happen.;)

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We ought to be concerned because the Russian pipeline that runs through Georgia is the one which supplies 40% of our gas.

If that gets accidentally or otherwise blown up the price of gas will rise again

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thats all well and good cashman, but you know as well as i do that our government doesnt have an inch of common sense.

they see a conflict, they HAVE to get involved its just how it is nowadays.

And the americans wont care that ruski's have nukes, as far as they're concerned AMERICA are the super-power and everybody else can kiss their butts.

You know what america is like? America is like an obnoxious co-worker that comes into work and says on a daily basis "Im the greatest effer here, and the rest of you will DIE without me!!!"

And that, my little snow flakes is why America will get involved AND britain will soon follow cos Mr Brown will not want to lose that alliegiance that we have with the us.

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Is this the way people feel about how we entered World War two after Poland was invaded by Germany? :rolleyes::confused:

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well if you think that, ya have less sense than i thought, :rolleyes: mind leeds fan says it all.:D

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Now now cashy we should not mock the afflicted, its bad enough being a Leeds fan without keep reminding him:D

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Again with the leeds jokes lol

THIS IS A SERIOUIS DISCUSSION! lol

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GB had a covenant with Poland to go to the country’s aid should Poland be invaded. It was and we did. Most people in GB accepted that we had to honour our obligation but the rush to volunteer was not as great as when WWI broke out. Once bitten, twice shy. Hence the conscription.

We had no such treaty with Iraq, Afghanistan or Georgia or, as far as I am aware, with any other country. The possible exception being the EU countries.

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No agreements and no international commitments ..so again we just use diplomatic language to "persude" the Russians to not attack i'ts nieghbours.. Russia is on the move to take back the territory they lost when the Berlin wall came down.. they were left with with a raggy army and a struggling economy..but not so these days.. the Russians have always had the attitude to fight on no matter the hardship.
To control such a vast nation has resulted time after time in either a tyranical royal family or a tyranical political movement..the results are usually the same.. such a massive country will always feel it is in their interest to dominate the smaller economies that surrond them. The USA and Britian have taken a less violent approach in the last 200yrs ..I don't think Iraq is an attempt to take over a nation.. but Russia still takes the attitude that power and action will bring more resourses for Russia.. and they don't have anyone to confront them in the area.

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I'll hang on to my copy of 'Protect and Survive' a bit longer then:rolleyes:

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May get into trouble for this ........none of the current problems facing the West would have happened but for the clown of a President ( Ronald Reagan) making the speech ..."Mr Gorbechav , tear down this wall ......etc) what were the results ........the biggest crime wave to hit western Europe since Attila the Hun, the Russian mafia are raping western Europe e.g. (insurance rates for 'quality' cars in Germany/France/ Austria/Italy have increased 300% due to theft, 90% of the vehicles turning up in the former Communist States ) .Drug trafficing and 'white slavery' prostitution at never seen before levels.
9.11 would never have happened if the Soviet Russians had been allowed to stay in Afghanistan , and allowed them to move a bit South into the no-mans land of Balucistan and thus dividing the Islamic fundamentalists in Iran and Pakistan ( let them fight the Russians and not us)

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and I'd go further Steeljack.. the west (USA and western Europe) Reagan..Thatcher.. pushed for Boris Yeltsin to get into power.. power he gained by force using the army..while we consoled oursevles with a victory.. effectivley the west put into power a useless man.. more concerned with McDonalds than his own people