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Yolanda25 20-08-2008 15:21

Plane crash in Madrid
 
Spanish air crash kills at least 45 - Yahoo! News UK

I was just looking in my mail when i came accross this:eek:

entwisi 20-08-2008 16:21

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and I'm flying there in a couple of weeks......

Ah well, hers hoping sleazyjet look after their planes better :D

mani 20-08-2008 16:26

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at least some ppl were seen walking out alive

Boeing Guy 20-08-2008 16:40

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Well slezy drive Scarebus and my own 737's good old boeing!.
God with all those souls on board.

Sky news are now saying that the Left (Number 1) engine was on fire before Take Off. There is a point on the take off roll where you must continue as you cannot stop on the remaining runway.

Be interested to read the report

Royboy39 20-08-2008 20:39

Madrid Air Crash
 
I must express my admiration to the emergency teams in Spain.
I must also express my sympathy to the relatives of all the casualties.
What a terrible tragedy....well over 100 lost their lives.
40 Ambulances were quickly on the scene and four field hospitals were created in double quick time.

Bonnyboy 20-08-2008 20:55

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The Emergency services were definitely on the ball Roy, at least from what I have seen. Tragic event.

The fact that there were survivors is amazing, I imagine the plane was laden with fuel.

Yolanda started a thread about it mid afternoon - http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...rid-41993.html

Royboy39 20-08-2008 21:01

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Sorry Yolanda...did not see this thread and started another one.

Boeing guy....you have got a hell of a responsible job good luck to you.

david1 20-08-2008 21:01

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Why don't they make runways twice or even three times as long, so if there is a problem , there is room to land?

Royboy39 20-08-2008 21:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by david1 (Post 621648)
Why don't they make runways twice or even three times as long, so if there is a problem , there is room to land?

Cant do that....needs planning permission and the ones who object in the main, are the one's who have recently bought a property near the airport.

Royboy39 20-08-2008 21:27

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Count now reaches 150 dead.

BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Many dead in Madrid plane crash

katex 20-08-2008 21:31

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Can't help thinking about their relatives in Gran Canaria, looking forward to seeing their loved ones, and to be took aside and told about this tragedy .. doesn't bear thinking about.

Only consolation we all have is that is doesn't happen so often pro-rata.

Royboy39 20-08-2008 21:38

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 621666)
Can't help thinking about their relatives in Gran Canaria, looking forward to seeing their loved ones, and to be took aside and told about this tragedy .. doesn't bear thinking about.

Only consolation we all have is that is doesn't happen so often pro-rata.

Thanks for taking the trouble to respond Kate....Seems low priority for the majority?

shakermaker 20-08-2008 22:02

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Terrible event. Thoughts with the families of lost ones. Very sad indeed.

harwood red 20-08-2008 22:09

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God bless to all those affected by this terrible tragedy...the dead, the survivors, the relatives, the crew, staff of the airline and airport...the pain is so far reaching.

katex 20-08-2008 22:17

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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 621671)
Thanks for taking the trouble to respond Kate....Seems low priority for the majority?

I don't think low priority Royboy, when a tragedy such as this happens, our imagination runs amok and we all conceive being that relative at the receiving airport, and shed a tear in that image.

Do we know if any survivors as yet ?

harwood red 20-08-2008 22:19

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 621695)
I don't think low priority Royboy, when a tragedy such as this happens, our imagination runs amok and we all conceive being that relative at the receiving airport, and shed a tear in that image.

Do we know if any survivors as yet ?

Reports were saying approx two dozen survivors but on news at ten they said this number was dwindling with the increase of fatalities as so many of the survivors suffered serious burns

Royboy39 20-08-2008 22:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by harwood red (Post 621689)
God bless to all those affected by this terrible tragedy...the dead, the survivors, the relatives, the crew, staff of the airline and airport...the pain is so far reaching.

As you know, I live in Spain. The people here are very aware of what has happened.....Black armbands are the norm. The Spanish people are very religious and nationalistic....having something like this to happen on Spanish soil is hurting everyone in Spain.
I feel very deeply for my neighbours.

katex 20-08-2008 22:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 621697)
As you know, I live in Spain. The people here are very aware of what has happened.....Black armbands are the norm. The Spanish people are very religious and nationalistic....having something like this to happen on Spanish soil is hurting everyone in Spain.
I feel very deeply for my neighbours.

I understand Royboy, and good that you have 'fused' with your new home and people there, but we are still human in the U.K. you know .. just the stiff upper lip thing sometimes. We are one of the most charitable countries in the world to other people's disasters.

Pleased give our sympathy to all your Spanish neighbours.

Mancie 20-08-2008 23:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 621697)
As you know, I live in Spain. The people here are very aware of what has happened.....Black armbands are the norm. The Spanish people are very religious and nationalistic....having something like this to happen on Spanish soil is hurting everyone in Spain.
I feel very deeply for my neighbours.

Of course I cannot know the hurt at the loss that may have been inflicted in the community.. a tragedy..I just don't want to imagine .

grannyclaret 20-08-2008 23:33

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My Deapest Sympathy To All Reletives,,,it Must Be Awfal...

jaysay 21-08-2008 09:30

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Watching the news coverage this morning, it said ther were 19 survivors, but were all rather poorly, it appears that most of the passengers were going on holiday to the Canaries, what a tragidy for the families who thought their loved ones were of for a fun holiday and have now to idenify their bodies. R I P

Yolanda25 21-08-2008 10:09

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I spoke to my friend yesterday who was at madrid airport, she said it was horrible, proper chaos, she was supossed to take a flight back home but changed her mind and said she was gonna drive because she just coundt even think about flying.
My deepest simpathy to the families of everyone who was in that plane.

david1 21-08-2008 10:17

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The black boxes have been recovered ..

Boeing Guy 21-08-2008 13:10

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Well lets hope they can figgure out what happened.
Some good information can be found here
AirDisaster.Com News: Spanair MD-82 crash in Madrid kills at least 153.
its more unbiased, than PPrune can be.

cashman 21-08-2008 13:30

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i heard those old planes were taken out of service in the USA, don't know how correct this info is:confused: but if true it certainly won't help the relatives of those poor souls.

grego 21-08-2008 13:35

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Its just awful, really feel for the families of all the passengers and crew, I'd also heard that this type of plane had been taken out of service in America Cashy, no help I know to the victims of this crash.

jaysay 21-08-2008 16:09

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It was saying on the news that there was a problem with a thermostat, but it was supposed to have been sorted prior to take off, somebody could be up for the high jump

onlyme 21-08-2008 16:44

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Theres not much that can be said to help those hurting at the moment, but thoughts and well wishes to all

Boeing Guy 21-08-2008 18:25

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Sorry guys but the MD-80 is in service with both American Airlines, they have over 200 and Delta Airlines over 100.

Although the DC-9 family can trace it's root's back to the late 1960's, the MD-80 has only been in service since 1980, over 900 still in service and over 2000 of the DC-9 family, Boeing 737's are from the 60's as are 747's. Airbus have stuff nearly as old as well.

Europe, JAA ( shortly to be called EASA) are very stringent on their safety and checks, it the FAA had banned this aircraft you could be sure that the JAA would have followed suit.

It is very easy to come to conclusions when these things happen, but as a professional, I know that accidents are never one fault but a series of problems (a chain of events) cause these things.

The fact is this, commercial airliners fly all the time with things inop, we have a list called the Minimum Equipment List, this allows us to take off with all manner of things inop. You would be supprised and maybe a bit worried. The pilot's, who died, will not take off unless they think the aircraft is safe, end of.
I will wait to see the report as speculation helps no one.

jaysay 22-08-2008 10:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 621894)
Sorry guys but the MD-80 is in service with both American Airlines, they have over 200 and Delta Airlines over 100.

Although the DC-9 family can trace it's root's back to the late 1960's, the MD-80 has only been in service since 1980, over 900 still in service and over 2000 of the DC-9 family, Boeing 737's are from the 60's as are 747's. Airbus have stuff nearly as old as well.

Europe, JAA ( shortly to be called EASA) are very stringent on their safety and checks, it the FAA had banned this aircraft you could be sure that the JAA would have followed suit.

It is very easy to come to conclusions when these things happen, but as a professional, I know that accidents are never one fault but a series of problems (a chain of events) cause these things.

The fact is this, commercial airliners fly all the time with things inop, we have a list called the Minimum Equipment List, this allows us to take off with all manner of things inop. You would be supprised and maybe a bit worried. The pilot's, who died, will not take off unless they think the aircraft is safe, end of.
I will wait to see the report as speculation helps no one.

Its good to listen to somebody who, after all is at the sharp end when it comes to air travel, but as you said BG, pilots would't take off if they have any misgivings as not only are the passengers at risk, but so are they

Loz 23-08-2008 08:59

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What a horrible tragedy.
Was reading that a few children survived but their relatives had died.
It breaks your heart to hear things like this.
Also heard about kids that died including a baby.
So very very sad.:(

keetah992000 23-08-2008 10:28

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Surely in percentage proportions - planes are not safer than cars especially lately.

BERNADETTE 23-08-2008 11:17

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What a terrible tragedy, thoughts and deepest sympathy to all the families affected by this

Boeing Guy 27-08-2008 09:45

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Airtravel is by far the safest way to travel, statistics do back that up, but who believes them?
Okay a flight crew, minimum 2 maybe 3 or more ( relief piolts, engineer etc) are highly trained and tested every 6 months, fail and your out. Medical every year same again.
The plane is inspected every flight by Engineers, then by the Pilots, how many of us do the same for our cars.
Everything and I mean everything has at least one back up system, my cars steering does not.
We have a Traffic Avoidance System, my car does not.
We also have a Grown Proximity Avoidance System, to help us not hitting the ground.
If as many people died in plane crashes in one month worldwide, as people do in cars in the UK we would not have an airline industry. The mere fact that it is reported is because it is a rare event.
Takeoff and Landing are the most dangerous parts of flight as you are slow, low and around other aircraft.

Boeing Guy 27-08-2008 09:57

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Just came accross this, remember this is world wide and includes Africa and their probmatic airlines....
Aviation Deaths
2007 was the safest year on record since 1963.

Total accidents in 2007: 136
Total deaths: 965


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