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panther 27-08-2008 20:39

Policeman jailed....
 
....for punching a 12 year old boy.....
Policeman Jailed After Punching Boy In Face: PC Daniel Gaffney Given 12 Weeks For Attack | UK News | Sky News

If ya ask me the kid should have got another for good measure!!!:hesoff:

now every kid knows they are above the law:mad:

West Ender 27-08-2008 20:46

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I'm quite sure the policeman didn't hit the boy without provocation. OK, maybe he shouldn't have done it, but won't that boy be laughing now? The whole thing, prosecution and sentencing, just disgusts me.

mthead 27-08-2008 20:46

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Yeah got to agree with you there Panther and it seems the majority do with reading the comments at the bottom.

Mancie 27-08-2008 20:53

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Hang on Panther.. the Policeman lied in his 1st statement saying the kid had fallen over.. we've heard that one before!....but I do think the officer should be given a chance to retian his job and... just like any other first offender would.... I think it's abit rough for the man to get a prison sentence.
The day's of policemen giving you a clip round the ear have been long gone and every policeman knows it.

blazey 27-08-2008 21:04

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Who finds it funny being punched? I doubt his parents found it funny either.

If it had been a homeless man that had punched the lad for doing something bad would we feel sorry for him for getting the same sentence? Even if he had been trying to make a citizens arrest?

Nobody should have the right to punch a child. Teachers have to put up with th worst of delinquent behavior but we'd be disgusted if kids came home in tears after being punched for being cheeky. Doubt we'd be saying the teachers deserve to dodge prison sentences anyway. How many of you would punch your own children?

mthead 27-08-2008 21:12

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 623799)
Who finds it funny being punched? I doubt his parents found it funny either.

If it had been a homeless man that had punched the lad for doing something bad would we feel sorry for him for getting the same sentence? Even if he had been trying to make a citizens arrest?

Nobody should have the right to punch a child. Teachers have to put up with th worst of delinquent behavior but we'd be disgusted if kids came home in tears after being punched for being cheeky. Doubt we'd be saying the teachers deserve to dodge prison sentences anyway. How many of you would punch your own children?

Whats a 12 year old doing drinking vodka?Theres too many drunk chav kids on the street nowadays and something needs doing.Cant blame parents as he is in social care,so shall we fine social services as what would be done if living at home?

WillowTheWhisp 27-08-2008 21:24

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The boy, described as "vulnerable" by the district judge, had been brought into custody along with a young girl on November 10 last year after threatening staff at his children's home with a fence post.

Oh yes sounds like a very vulnerable young lad who wouldn't hurt a fly! I can well believe it was self defence - the PC should not have lied initially, that's the pity.

Royboy39 27-08-2008 21:45

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 623775)
....for punching a 12 year old boy.....
Policeman Jailed After Punching Boy In Face: PC Daniel Gaffney Given 12 Weeks For Attack | UK News | Sky News

If ya ask me the kid should have got another for good measure!!!:hesoff:

now every kid knows they are above the law:mad:

That has hit the nail on the head.....This copper is doing his job and if is confronted by a juvenile who obviously has no respect for the law then what should the man do....say I'm sorry young thug...you do as you want..my powers as a police officer don't go as far as giving you a smack in the mouth as you quite rightly deserve.....come on....the Magistrates in this case have gone well OTT...give the lad his job back and take a lesson on how to deal with young 'Jack the Lads' who are clearly out of hand.
In my younger days if anyone stuck his chin out asking to be smacked he would get one......where do we draw the line?

cashman 27-08-2008 21:53

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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 623848)
That has hit the nail on the head.....This copper is doing his job and if is confronted by a juvenile who obviously has no respect for the law then what should the man do....say I'm sorry young thug...you do as you want..my powers as a police officer don't go as far as giving you a smack in the mouth as you quite rightly deserve.....come on....the Magistrates in this case have gone well OTT...give the lad his job back and take a lesson on how to deal with young 'Jack the Lads' who are clearly out of hand.
In my younger days if anyone stuck his chin out asking to be smacked he would get one......where do we draw the line?

perhaps blazey will tell us what ya should do with a drunken chav kid. hope so would love to be enlightened.;)

Wynonie Harris 27-08-2008 21:59

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 623799)
Who finds it funny being punched? I doubt his parents found it funny either.

If it had been a homeless man that had punched the lad for doing something bad would we feel sorry for him for getting the same sentence? Even if he had been trying to make a citizens arrest?

Nobody should have the right to punch a child. Teachers have to put up with th worst of delinquent behavior but we'd be disgusted if kids came home in tears after being punched for being cheeky. Doubt we'd be saying the teachers deserve to dodge prison sentences anyway. How many of you would punch your own children?

The really worrying thing is that this sort of claptrap is the view of the British establishment - all three major parties, the media and, most crucially, the judiciary. The commonsense views of ordinary people are routinely ignored - and that's why this country is going to hell in a handcart. :(

accyman 27-08-2008 22:04

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bloody pathetic is all i can say , the judge shoud be struck off or whatever they do to them to put them out of action

not only has this judge sent a man to prison for sod all he has sent a copper into prison where the inmates will obviously welcome a copper into their arms with great delight :mad:

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as for the teacher comments in an earlier post

today kids tell teachers to F off and worse infact kids attack teachers

in my day which believe it or not wasnt long ago if you could expect a wooden board duster to be thrown at your head for the mere crime of not paying attention and talking in class , i used to have a maths teacher called mr omerod who was a ex boxer and one guy in my class once fronted upto him and took a swing , mr ormerod punched him out cold and rightly so and the lads parents did teh right thing and beat their son for doing what he did

Mancie 27-08-2008 22:09

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 623869)
The really worrying thing is that this sort of claptrap is the view of the British establishment - all three major parties, the media and, most crucially, the judiciary. The commonsense views of ordinary people are routinely ignored - and that's why this country is going to hell in a handcart. :(

Since when has it been a "commonsense view" of ordinary people that the police can smack someone in the nose for giving cheek?...ordinary people constantly complian about the thug culture we have on weekends in every town and city in the country were a punch or worse is the norm...I would except the notion that in this case the officer lost his rag..but he is employed to uphold the law..not to dish out he's own justice ...and it has been the same for generations...it maybe the case that years ago this sort of incident would have been nothing.. but it has not been accepted for at least 40yrs or more.

Bonnyboy 27-08-2008 22:14

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Sorry but I have no sympathy with the copper involved. Little thug or not, it was a child, you can’t go round smacking kids full in the face (bit different from a clip round the ear ) Grown man v a 12 yr old…come on.

accyman 27-08-2008 22:15

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iv had many a slap round the head from an officer dyson i think is how you spell it for merely mucking around,if he was around today and did that he would be put in prison.Its no wonder kids sit in gangs laughing at the cops because they know the poilice cant do sod all and the plastic cops can do even less

im not saying the police shoud be a law unto themselves but they should have enough leeway to install a little fear and respect into people

mthead 27-08-2008 22:17

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 623880)
Since when has it been a "commonsense view" of ordinary people that the police can smack someone in the nose for giving cheek?...ordinary people constantly complian about the thug culture we have on weekends in every town and city in the country were a punch or worse is the norm...I would exept the notion that in this case the officer lost his rag..but he is employed to uphold the law..not to dish out he's own justice as he likes.

So whats the answer mate?We as common people put our own justice on these scrotes/chavs that litter most street corners getting drunk and attacking people? I know I would if I was threatened by the vermin it needs sorting mate.

cashman 27-08-2008 22:18

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sorry he was "old enough" to threaten staff at the home with a fence post, also old enough to get rat arsed on vodka, wi a chav like that. all bets are off.

Mancie 27-08-2008 22:22

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 623887)
iv had many a slap round the head from an officer dyson i think is how you spell it for merely mucking around,if he was around today and did that he would be put in prison.Its no wonder kids sit in gangs laughing at the cops because they know the poilice cant do sod all and the plastic cops can do even less

im not saying the police shoud be a law unto themselves but they should have enough leeway to install a little fear and respect into people

Of course I've had a slap from a copper..simple solution and saved both of us a lot of time and taxpayers money and taught me a lesson.. but in a police station it can get out of hand.. people posting suggestions that this sort of thing should go on without any reckonings are talkin kak.

Bonnyboy 27-08-2008 22:27

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The copper was baited, he should never have taken the bait. I expect our streets to be kept free from scunbags but I expect some professionalism.

cashman 27-08-2008 22:28

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nobodys saying that mancie, n will bet i have had more slaps than you.:D yes they have to be accountable no doubt, but circumstances differ. as to what should happen imho.

Mancie 27-08-2008 22:32

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 623899)
nobodys saying that mancie, n will bet i have had more slaps than you.:D yes they have to be accountable no doubt, but circumstances differ. as to what should happen imho.

No more bets for now Cashy!..circumstances do differ.. and in this case the bloke should be given the benifit of doubt.. but to hark back to the old day's and a clip round the ear just ain't on and is not going to happen.. the police are under the law just like everyone.. and that's the only way in this country.. thank God

Royboy39 27-08-2008 22:32

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 623886)
Sorry but I have no sympathy with the copper involved. Little thug or not, it was a child, you can’t go round smacking kids full in the face (bit different from a clip round the ear ) Grown man v a 12 yr old…come on.

I think if you, as a very responsible person was confronted by a young thug who was intent on undermining your authority as a policeman and giving you a hard time and challenging your right to administer the law would show that authority.
A clip round the ear would bring the same result....He hit me.
Let's get real.....these young thugs need discipline.
I keep saying it, and it turns out to be true....In Spain the Guardia are not averse to giving anyone who challenges their authority a smack in the mouth........maybe there are lessons to be learned.

cashman 27-08-2008 22:37

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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 623906)
I think if you, as a very responsible person was confronted by a young thug who was intent on undermining your authority as a policeman and giving you a hard time and challenging your right to administer the law would show that authority.
A clip round the ear would bring the same result....He hit me.
Let's get real.....these young thugs need discipline.
I keep saying it, and it turns out to be true....In Spain the Guardia are not averse to giving anyone who challenges their authority a smack in the mouth........maybe there are lessons to be learned.

its true i have actually seen a guardia civil guy put his gun to a drunken troublemakers temple, he soon sobered up n slunk off quietly.

Royboy39 27-08-2008 23:04

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 623910)
its true i have actually seen a guardia civil guy put his gun to a drunken troublemakers temple, he soon sobered up n slunk off quietly.

Cashy.............where the hell are we going to end up?
What is the agenda......are policemen to be given the authority they deserve?......I sometimes wonder why their brief is cut short by the doogooders and the EU Human Rights brigade.
Are we all in a situatiion where we do as we are told without question.
I think we are..............not long on this earth me....but I fear for my offspring..........Traffic police will always be be 'woodentops' in my book.

Wynonie Harris 28-08-2008 07:45

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 623880)
ordinary people constantly complian about the thug culture we have on weekends in every town and city in the country were a punch or worse is the norm...

Yes, and the reason why this thug culture has taken hold is the likes of you being oh-so-concerned about the "human rights" of various yobs, chavs and assorted criminals. I suppose it figures, though...this government that you so slavishly support has exactly the same attitude. Still, why should you worry, Mancie? You've got the establishment on your side. :(

jambutty 28-08-2008 09:52

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As I understand it a police constable can use reasonable force to restrain or apprehend a prisoner. A punch to the nose is not reasonable force even under provocation but if the report of “As soon as they got to the cell father-of-one Gaffney hit him and lied that the boy fell over” is correct then that makes it premeditated and not provocation.

It is understandable that a cop might ‘lose it’ under provoking circumstances but he is a professional and should be able to rise above it and keep his cool. If he cannot then he has no business being in the police force.

Lying to cover up the incident is totally out of order.

Do we want coppers who take the law into their own hands and beat up prisoners?

In my view it was absolutely correct to prosecute PC Daniel Gaffney for physically assaulting a prisoner and causing actual bodily harm but deputy judge Timothy Gascoigne was wrong to hand down a custodial sentence. A heavy fine and a compensation order would have been sufficient seeing as PC Daniel Gaffney is most likely, and quite rightly, to be booted out of the police force.

We have enough thugs on the street without having them in a cop shop as well.

jaysay 28-08-2008 09:55

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 624013)
Yes, and the reason why this thug culture has taken hold is the likes of you being oh-so-concerned about the "human rights" of various yobs, chavs and assorted criminals. I suppose it figures, though...this government that you so slavishly support has exactly the same attitude. Still, why should you worry, Mancie? You've got the establishment on your side. :(

Spot on WH spot on, the police are not allowed to police any more, they're just social workers now, and these drunken kids just run rings round them


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