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"Codex Alimentarius". This is a World Health Organisation/UN-sponsored international agreement which is (depending on your point of view):

(a). A genuine and honest attempt to set reliable, universal food and medication standards across the globe. Or:

(b). A cynical, calculated attempt by the international pharmaceutical industry (aided and abetted by idealistic and/or acquisitive politicians) to have vitamins, minerals, and all other forms of supplements declared (by law) "medications" in all countries - thereby:

(1). Increasing the price.

(2). Ensuring that these things would be "prescription only" medications, to be manufactured only by "licensed producers" ie themselves.

So the days ...when you can take vitamin C pills for a cold, cod liver oil capsules to ease your arthritis, calcium tablets to prevent osteoporosis, or any vitamin/mineral food supplement.... are numbered.

Your doctor will decide whether you should have them. They will only be available on prescription.

Since disease prevention (which is what supplements are) has second place to disease diagnosis & cure it is not likely that your doctor will be cooperative.

Their control by the pharmacutical companies is ominous.
Perhaps too many of us have been avoiding illness by using herbs/vitamins/minerals and so their sale of drugs has reduced, so they want in on the money from it.

This Codex Alimentarius has already been adopted in Australia and some Scandinavian countries - the date for our government to decide is December 2009.
In Australia it is not even possible to import supplements - they are impounded as illegal at customs

Why do we need nutritional supplements or food supplements?
Since the 1920s, Western Governments have known that the majority of our food crops have been grown on mineral-depleted soils, which makes them not only more susceptible to plant diseases and insect attack, but also nutritionally worth less.

Animal feeds have changed from the natural foods they eat in the wild to highly processed, chemical laden concoctions that are designed to maximise growth rate, muscle mass and therefore value whilst minimising cost and the time it takes to turn them into a healthy profit. The result is meat that is high in chemicals and lacking in the natural nutritional elements that have kept us healthy for so long (until the 20th century!).

If this weren't bad enough, the modern reliance on pharmaceutical medicine to remove all symptoms of disease instantly has led us away from the traditional cures that sought to replace what was missing in the body. Indeed, many modern drugs, such as diuretics actually make us lose the very minerals we require for health at an increased rate.

The vitamin content of your daily 5-a-day reduces for every day it takes to ship it around the world and every day it sits on a supermarket shelf.

As a consequence, virtually everyone in the Western World (many "primitive cultures" are much better nourished than we are) needs to supplement their diet to a greater or lesser extent.

Be aware - if you value the preservation of health you have, fight for your right continue to have access to food supplements.

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Just another example of the 'New World Order'. at it again

New World Order - TinWiki.org

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I have just compiled an online 'petition to number 10'
and wait for its approval

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I will sign it if you get approval Margaret, I take some supplements as does my Mum and my sis. The NHS is struggling to afford life saving drugs so why can't they just leave vitamins and such like alone?

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In case you think I'm just being paranoic (again:D)
here is a Guardian article on the subject
Health supplements: R.I.P. | Society | The Guardian

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I don’t think increased regulation or control is a bad thing.

Why would anyone want to bump up their calcium intake to prevent osteoporosis just on the off chance that the disease may develop for example. Bad enough that you have to take these pills if you actually have such a health issue. Had I such an illness I would sooner I got my medication via my G.P. rather than Holland & Barret. If there is a market for something there is generally a bandwagon to be jumped on. Who supplies these “ Health shops”. Probably some third world sweatshop ( which they know about but will deny knowledge of if asked “officially” )

So maybe the drug companies are right but they also have to be brought to book. Some Cancer drugs run into the 10’s of thousands of pounds per month per individual. Once the initial research has been paid for, the rest is virtually clear profit. No wonder the NHS have to charge parking fees to make ends meet when they are being fleeced to such an extent.

I hope it turns round an bites the big drug companies in the backside. Forced to reduce the cost of medication. Then we can all have free prescriptions not just the Welsh and Scots ( dunno if the Scots actually get it, not surprised if they do tho )

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holland and barrat smell bad and i cant go in.......

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Never noticed the smell ( maybe you smelled the druids or soothsayers or summat ) only ever bought some face cloths from the place.

If I'm ill I go to my doctor, whereby I end up at a proper chemist.

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went to get some peppermint tea like flashy said but the smell made me feel sick.

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A lot of women prefer to take natural remedies for things like hot flushes etc. Why should they feel that HRT is the only option given the negative press it has had? If we prefer to pay for natural remedies why should that choice be taken away??

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Food supplementation with vitamins and minerals is not an 'illness cure', it is a 'health preservation' measure. Although when the health service fails to cure, it sometimes can.

If you read the blog I posted today you will gain insight into WHY I feel strongly about the subject.

I have just mailed one of our MEPs, since it is the European Parliament who are considering complying with this World Health/UN directive.

PS they accept petitions too

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i'm with margaret on this n i dont take em, but i have seen first hand how conventional things prescribed do nothing fer instance over a couple of years, docs trying different pills, paris was clutching at straws by trying herbal, she was really suffering, much much better within a couple of months using alternative, if conventional don't work fer me sometime, i would not think twice.

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Oh if only one could rely on the NHS!!
Personally i have always found that GP's want to calve me up into easy tomanage little bit e.g. a skin problem is seen as making me in need of a visit to Dermatology and a stomach problem means I need a referral to gastro department.
Alternative health practitioners are more open minded and see the skin rash as a result of the stomach problem.
Infact when my stomach problem first started the GP wanted to fob me off with an alternative medicine - Pepermint capsules !!

We have to remember that most conventional medicines have their origings in alternative medicine (natural medicine) for example Asprin started life as part of a tree.

I tend to think this move to so called regulated vits and minerals is not just an effort by the pharmaceutical companies to increase their profit margins but also a move by conventional medicine to regain their control as they know so many of us have woken up to the idea that we are responsabile for own health

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I could see where this genetic engineering was going. The first human/bovine hybrid.:)

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My petition has been approved and can be 'signed' here
Petition to: oppose the adoption of the Codex Alimentarius (WHO/UN) proposals for restriction of the presently freely available herb/vitamin/mineral food supplements. | Number10.gov.uk

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I’ve just signed and the new URL is http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Vitamins/ but my signature has not been recorded yet.

The deadline for signing up is 5th September 2009.

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That is the page you get when you have signed, but you will need to click a link in another mail you will get, to confirm

For anyone who wants to sign the link is still
Petition to: oppose the adoption of the Codex Alimentarius (WHO/UN) proposals for restriction of the presently freely available herb/vitamin/mineral food supplements. | Number10.gov.uk

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Thank you but I knew that and I did click on the link. That’s how I found out about the new URL.

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Thanks Jambutty :) - we need to make sure that the ones who want to sign know what to do- your help is appreciated

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I have also advertised this on a 'health forum' I visit, so if you are concerned that the list of signees will be just a list of Accywebbers real names - it will not be so
Thanks again to all who sign

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Just trying to help with what is a real worthy cause.

I’m not really into herbal medicines but that isn’t the point. It’s all a question of personal choice and I hate to see our freedoms being eroded away.

I see that my name is now on the list.

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Have signed and now waiting for my e-mail:)

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Sorted:D

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I have 9 signatures in less than 24 hours and am delighted.
I have emailed the Society Guardian editor - hoping for more publicity
If you think this is a 'thread bump' please be tolerant - it's your freedom of choice that I am fighting for.

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signed...

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Thank you :D- you are on my karma list - I have given out too much since this thread began

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Is it ok for me to put this on a mummys forum i'm a member of?

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By all means do - glad of all the help I can get :D

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Some threads are worth bumping and this is one of them.

I’ve emailed friends and relatives with a link to this thread and also to the petition and asked them to do the same.

Thanks for the Karma.

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Hi Margaret
Signed in and on the list 25 seconds in all.
Retlaw

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sorted, just seen yer blog.:);)

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mmmmm interesting:cool:

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The proposed EU measures do seem extreme for the majority of food supplements and herbal remedies, but I would certainly welcome additional information regarding any potential side effects of of the ingredients.

Even if it's only a minor side effect it should be clearly marked on the container. For example I occassionally take Coenzyme Q10, which when I look on Google it says, "some patients have experienced a mild inability to sleep, liver enzymes levels have been elavated, rashes, nausea and upper abdominal pain. Others side effects reported include dizziness, irritability, headache, fatigue, heartburn and visual sensitivity to light.

Any prescription drug would be required to list these side effects, so why not food supplements.

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I have to agree that the supplements should have a list of side affects, i got a very interesting one from the supplement i am taking, i asked at the chemist and it wasnt listed in their medication book as a supplement,i ended up posting it on a mummies forum and they all said they had had the same thing......scared the hell outta me!

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Too much of anything has side effects.
Too many carrots turns skin orange.
Some food supplements taken to excess will cause side effects.
Some people irresponsibly assume that anything 'natural' is harmless, so they take more than the dose recommended on the bottle. That is asking for trouble.

The problem that has caused WHO/UN intervention is the poor manufacturing practices in some countries (India and China especially) which contaminate the supplement with toxins.

If you buy supplements manufactured in Western countries you will not have that toxin problem. Too many people are buying cheaper food supplements on the web from those dodgy sources.

By imposing regulation on all manufacturers, the price will rise dramatically because extensive drug type trials will have to be done before a supplement can be marketed. This is why the multinational drug companies will take over the market. They can afford those costs.

By adding the regulation that only a doc can prescribe them, will in effect make them inaccessible to the people who do use them responsibly and those that don't.

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The side effects reported during the tests on Coenzyme Q10 were on quite high doses. However, I only take the recommended dose (30mg one a day) and find that the mild inability to sleep, that some patients reported during the tests, added to my present high stress levels, was not a good combination.

The only advice on the packaging tends to be the same on all food supplements anyway "if you are taking medication, please consult your doctor or pharmacist before use".

Wise words, but I thought the whole point was that we didn't want to spend time in doctor's surgeries.

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I have signed and am now waiting for my e-mail confirmation.

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even water can be damaging if too much is taken.
We have to take responsibility for our own health......I am sick of government treating me like I am a helpless child.

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I use a number of food supplements.......I take the responsibility for checking on the side effects myself......I make sure that I follow the manufacturers instructions, and I do not believe that I should be stopped from taking care of myself.
I do not want to have to see a medical practitioner to get Glucosamine and chondoitin......I'm happy to pay for my supplements.
Taking these has enabled me to reduce my dosage of anti-inflammatories(themselves, not without some risk and side effects) to just occasional use.

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Good news :D
BBC NEWS | Health | Vitamin 'may prevent memory loss'
This is the vitamin that has revived me. It looks like the benefits of taking it are beginning to be recognised.

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Not sure why this has been on the News today being heralded as new. As far as I’m aware it isn’t new. Our G.P. has been prescribing this to my better half for the last 3 years at least for the condition mentioned ( vitamin B12 Compound - Early Onset Dementia - deficiency of Thiamine )

If our G.P. knew to prescribe it in 2004 he can’t have been the only one to know. Therefore I’ve known for a few years what it can be used to aid. Bet the girls on the till at Holland an Barrett didn’t know.

It’s nowt new , go Google it. Found this site within seconds Neurosoup

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Her B12 level must have been very low for her to get the injections.
Nhs guidelines consider a serume B12 count of 400+ is fine
In Japan, anything below 550 is considered dangerous.
It causes more than dementia and pernicous anaemia - I have neither.
B12 (cobalabin) deficiency symptoms mimic other diseases -MS is one.

CFS, peripheral neuropathy, and hypersomnia were mine.

I spent 2 weeks googling so am well 'genned up'

In this country docs inject hydroxocobalamin. I the USA they use cyanocobalamin.
Both those are artificial and need conversion by the liver to - methylcobalamin (which I take by absorption under my tongue - my damaged gut cant get it from my food.)

If you have 2 days to spare you can find out all about it here
Vitamin B12 deficiency is commonly misdiagnosed. - WrongDiagnosis.com
A forum thread with 4421 posts since Feb 07

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Her B12 was low for reasons I understand but shalln’t go into ( she is on the medication in pill form not injections)

Margaret thanks for the link. Information like that is really important to me, will give it a good read…Ta

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Have PM 'd you - injections are better than pills - when I wrote Pm I thought you said she was on injections
Brain fog is symptom too;)

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In only 9 days the petition has 100 signatures - thanks everybody :D

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I am glad the petition is taking off Margaret......I hope that many more people sign it too.

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If this rate keeps up there will be over 4000 , only 200 needed to ensure it gets ministerial attention

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I have recieved a subscribers email from the Alliance for Natural Health which directs the reader to
http://www.anhcampaign.org/news/code...m_medium=email
which includes the following paragraph-

UK Petition on Codex at No 10 Downing Street

Another misinformed, but undoubtedly well-meaning, action is the petition to the UK government on Codex at No 10 Downing Street, London. You can find this petition at: Petition to: oppose the adoption of the Codex Alimentarius (WHO/UN) proposals for restriction of the presently freely available herb/vitamin/mineral food supplements. | Number10.gov.uk.

This petition indicates that Codex will cause herbal/vitamin/mineral food supplements to become ‘prescription only’. This is not the case, as Codex Alimentarius deals with all categories of food and has already ratified (in 2005) the text of an international guideline on vitamin and mineral food supplements, which is expected to be finalised—complete with maximum guideline dosages—in around 2012 or 2013. By definition, products compliant with these guidelines will be safeguarded as a category of food (i.e., food supplements) and therefore will not be categorised as medicines.

Of course the petition is only open to British citizens (yet it’s being pushed as far afield as New Zealand) and the more urgent issue is the much more imminent restrictions in Europe being imposed by provisions of European Directives and Regulations that then have a major bearing on Codex.

This indicates that my petition is misguided and misinforms, and that the European Union directive is the villian in the piece.

I write to say that it is nice to know that they consider my effort 'well meaning' and wonder why they have waited many months to clarify the confusion which they say has been rampant on the internet.
I DID write to my Member of the European Parliament, who never bothered to reply.

I have not deliberately misled, and if my effort has given the whole issue more publicity than they had managed to date then it has done some good.

The petition will now have to be referred to the UK Health ministry as petition of that size must.
The Alliance for National Health have an active campaign ongoing in Europe and I have known that since before I began the petition
I hope that my petition has raised awareness in the UK, which will enable persons to seek for, and decide which, set of information to believe
(even though none of the versions are good news)
I continue to stockpile the supplements essential to my survival, because I have little confidence in the success of the campaign

It is interesting to note that the rate at which signatures have been added has increased dramatically in the past week
.....so public awareness is happening.......at last!


Ps - reached New Zealand WOW - I have never been further south than Malta in my lifetime

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I have just had clarification from a member on another forum -
although some items will be prescription free, as now, the permitted doses will be so small that no benefit will be gained from taking them.
The battle continues:rolleyes:

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I have found a GEM of a lecture on google video which explains Codex Alimentarius from its origins to the present day. It is 40 minutes long, but well worth a watch if you care about your health. It describes a campaign to resist Codex in USA, and describes an online petition (like mine) to resist codex implementation.
My petition now has over 17,500 signatures.
Petition to: oppose the adoption of the Codex Alimentarius (WHO/UN) proposals for restriction of the presently freely available herb/vitamin/mineral food supplements. | Number10.gov.uk
This video is not full of techno jargon - it will enlighten you
Nutricide - Criminalizing Natural Health, Vitamins, and Herbs

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Well Margaret, as much as I like you, 40 minutes watchng a lecture on health, ain't my cuppa at all, sorryyyyyyyyyyyyyyy:rolleyes:

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I thought that its origin from an idea by a convicted (Nurenburg) nazi might arouse some interest:rolleyes: