seven years later .......Sept. 11
 

Hard to believe its seven years today since the Towers came down , where the hell as the time gone ...and more importantly where is Bin Laden and WHY hasn't he been found :mad: :mad:

Apart from all the obvious changes , airport security etc. how did the events of Sept 11 effect your life .......did it alter your views of your Muslim neighbours ?. Make you less trustfull of your Govt. ?. Make you more cynical about our elected leaders who used it as an excuse to grab more control over our lives? :confused: :confused:

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I think that I would go along with the "cynicism" thing. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I would argue that Bin Laden has not been found because, alive, he is more useful to those who wish to undermine those provisions of the constitution which guarantee democratic freedoms. The First Ammendment comes to mind of course.

But it doesn't seem all that long ago ... I remember having the TV on without much volume, glancing at the screen and just assuming that what I was seeing was an ad for a new "disaster" movie. Not until I jumped into my car and heard the news on the radio did I realize what I had been sort of watching. I think that in terms of terrorism, 9/11 was the day we passed the point of no return. Now, anything is possible, indeed probable; esp. a terror attack using one, or several nuclear devices.

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i remember 9/11 very well, it was Reece's 5th Birthday when it all happened

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I cannot deny that it did not change my attitude to Muslim neighbours Steeljack, even though we know only a small twisted minority, and are good people in the majority. Sure everyone has had this thought at some time.

I did think quite a bit about it today, particularly as I was flying and just hoped that no-one would be 'celebrating' the occasion... only human, isn't it.

As I passed over Stockport coming into Manchester, noted some high rise blocks and imagined how easy it would be to crash into them.

Rest all those souls that died in this atrocity.

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I still think back to this date with utter disbelief(know that sounds silly because it happened) but will never try to understand what could drive anybody to act in such a barbaric way.

RIP all the poor people who died and thoughts to their poor families left behind

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like eric, i'll go with the more cynical bit, and one of the usa leading military was on tonights news saying Afghanistan is a harder nut to crack now.:rolleyes: surprise surprise, the "Russians" scuttled home with tails between their legs after many years of trying to sort em, makes me wonder why George(John Wayne) Bush thought he could.:rolleyes:

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I didnt know anything about it till i went up to school to pick up my niece. We had visitors from northern ireland so had turned radio and telly off and mum was talking to them. When i came home i turned the telly on - the visitors were still here and we all sat here gobsmacked watching bbc1. My cousin (cos thats who it were) was worried because a friend of theirs had flown to new york two days before for a holiday.

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If 9/11 did anything, it put the so-called "war on terror" into high gear, and as usual, the military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned about, is one of the main beneficiaries. The losers are the ordinary people .... the little guys: those Americans suffering from an economy wrecked by the cost of the war; those brave men and women in uniform who are constantly in harm's way; and let's not forget the innocent Iraqi's whose country is now a war zone. Other benefiiciaries are the extremists; thousands are flocking to their cause as a result of America's heavy handed actions. I have to stress that by "Americans" I refer to the US govt. and its leaders, particularly GW, surely one of the most unpopular Presidents of all time ... and the dumbest. The vast majority of Americans want peace and prosperity ... who doesn't.

And a little wander; I'll mention it only because it is fairly good news. Our govt. has stated that the Canadian Battle Group will leave Afghanistan in 2011. Tomorrow would be better, but 2011 is better than nothing. Already 97 Canadians have died in action ... the latest Sgt. Scott Shipway 2nd. Battalion PPCLI is on his way home after being killed serving his country on his third tour of duty in Kandahar ... Sgt. Shipway came to Canada as an immigrant from England, along with his family.

When something as terrible as 9/11 happens, many search for some sort of "meaning" ... meaningless deaths are harder to take .... and for some sort of closure. It's still hard to figure out what it meant and still means .... and closure is still a long ways off.

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i only remeber this now because the yanks wont let it go and rightfully so because it was an attack on their soil but i dont see any need for everyone else to keep bleeting on about it , yes it was tragic , yes it was horrific but i think its been played on by the yanks and world leaders just a little too much

catch the swine who arranged it then let it go :rolleyes:

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Digressing slightly, but there is a programme on Channel 4 @ 9 p.m. about a lady who faked the fact that she was there and her boyfriend had been killed, etc... obvious nut-case jumping on the band wagon of this event. :(

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It stopped me and a friend making a visit to New York....something we had long looked forward to......we still haven't made that visit.

It also made me deeply sad that human beings could perpetrate such barbaric actions.....the terrorists knew that the people on those planes were just normal people with children, jobs....they watched while they sent goodbye messages to their families...they knew their fate was to die at the hands of calculating terrorists....and the terrorists were happy in dying as martyrs.
Well, I hope their god forgives them.

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In my early childhood I recall taking refuge under the stairs when the german bombers flew over..........WW2

This was followed by the cold war, when we felt under imminent threat of nuclear attack........1945 to 1989

When the Berlin Wall came down in 1989 it felt very strange not to have to live with these subconcious ever present fears.
I felt that a fear burden I had endured all my life had gone -strangely exhilerating

It didn't last long - IRA bombs and suicide bombs put paid to that.

It seems that if we weren't threatened, we are so conditioned to living with it, that we would have to find a source of threat in order to function as normal.

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It is something that will live on forever in the history of the world.....like the holocaust, like Auschwitz...perhaps the Jews should stop bleating(as you put it) about that too.
I don't think that the American people play on this atrocity...it is right that we should remember it, for it affected every single person in the world...whether they recognise it or not.

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The biggest thing that suprises me about Septemeber 11th is the fact that we haven't had any further attacks over here. I expected more bombings, suicide attacks in shopping malls, poisoned water supplies, etc. I for one am glad that we took the fight to them.

Brian

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Sorry Brian , have to disagree with you on this .........we did not take the fight to them , Bush and Co. used it as an excuse to invade Iraq, If we had put the same effort into going into Afghanistan as we did on Iraq , Bin Laden and his cronies would be a long time swinging from a gibbet .

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Martyrs in this religion are plentiful, there would always be another one to replace Bin Laden.....his name would be different, but his ideals would be the same....Kill the infidel!
And the infidel is anyone who doesn't follow the Muslim religion.

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inetersting unsigned karma comment

yes muslims did it so what?

a christian arranged it

if your gonna be racist atleast have the balls like bagpus etc to admit it

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That's okay about disagreeing Jack, what makes the world go round eh?;)

I still stand that it wasn't only George and his cronies that went into Iraq. Politicians from both sides of the isle were in support of it. I too would have like to see us clean out Afghanistan and that the Iraqi people have taken over the role of defending their own country.

I hate the fact that my first posts in month sound so radical. Just trying to state what some Americans are thinking.

Be Well (and go Ohio State!):p,

Brian

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It's two S's if you don't mind.:rolleyes:

Just to add that I don't think the karma remark is racist as it's a fact not an opinion or are true facts not allowed anymore?

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of course the coment was racist unless you think that every single muslim on the planet was in on 9/11,there was no mention in my post or any refernce to any faith been responsible i only stated my opinion that the whole affair was been dragged out just a little too much and by the way if you ask me what has been done using 9/11 as its platform is an insult to those that died and their memories but all the coward could think of rather than state an opinion was " dont forget the muslims did it " and didnt even have the balls to say it under a made up name on a forum hiding behind a monitor because they knew if they posted that comment in a thread they would get a right going at for been pathetic

the comment was totaly unasociated to anything posted but they just couldnt wait to tell somone the muslims did it even though everyone knows the people who did it were muslims:rolleyes:

oooh look out its the muslims , oooohhh look out the jews will take all your money , oooh beware of the irish their all bombers too

iv lost plenty of karma along the way and dont feel the need to post every comment left but occasionaly the level of patheticness goes so low it just has to be mentioned if nothing else but to show the anonymous pratt what i think of their toss pot remark :D

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stop moaning n bitching about karma, last time i said that to someone it cost me.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38: and too all the sad old *******:tongueout

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lol im not moaning about the karma the pratt barely made a dent ,its the patheticness of the comment i am refering to:p

if i actualy knew how many points i had i could have figured out who the deductee was and named the pratt as well

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On 11/9/2001 I was working at an American company in Preston. It was a good contract: The bloke (from Seattle) who hired me used to get all his work done on Monday and spent the rest of the week trading stocks. He trusted me to do my stuff unsupervised as the job he'd hired me to do, the one his IT department said couldn't be done on a realistic budget, I did on my first morning about three weeks earlier. To be honest, I think he was "inventing" work just so I could stay.

Anyway, on that Tuesday, he was wandering round the office at about 2:20 with his hands in his pockets. He tended not to stand over my shoulder, but that afternoon he did - very annoying (I used to have a boss who did it all the time). Something was on his mind.

"Something bad has happened"
"What"
"Don't know. I was connected to my broker and it just stopped working. That never happens. Never."

I just assumed he was fretting about a computer that had crashed somewhere, but he was insistent that it was major because CNN and all the other stuff he wasted his time with was down, too. I didn't think anything of it so I went onto the internet (dialup!) and saw on the Land Rover list I use that there had been a post ten minutes earlier asking if anyone had heard about the plane that had hit the WTC. Then, while the boss & I were watching, an email came in with just the text "Two planes!"

He said "That would do it"

All the news sites I knew of were down. The only one that seemed to work was Ananova, which I hadn't heard of before then. The first video was available through some Greek news website.

The company's internet connection wasn't working for any sites. The three people who worked at out location ended up huddled around my crappy little laptop, looking at foreign language news sites, connected to Freeserve on 56K dialup, just because it was the only way we were getting any info.

And despite remembering all those details, it still didn't make me feel physically ill, as Beslan did.

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There ain't any oil in Afghanistan SJ

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but by the time the iraq war is over with there probably will be it only takes a few million years for oil to form you know ;)

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The biggest difference between now and 9/11 is that today my youngest son is safe at home and not in New Yor where he was stranded for over 2 weeks. 24 hours before the bombings he had been in the World Trade Centre trying to get tickets to go round the building the next day! Fortunately there were non available and he and huis friends could not find a hotel they could afford in the City.

As for the larger picture, I think 9/11 made many of us wary of similar or worse happening again or elsewhere. I do not think Britain following America into Iraq has improved our own security or world standing. It certainly has not improved our home budget with the Yanks hiving off most of the improtant contracts and just leaving us with the expenses of war both financial and personnel wise

I am very glad to say that me Muslim friends are still friends and I thank them for their prayers and worry whilst son was over in NY



Back to the persona

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My dad was talking to some one on msn that worked for the pantergon he phoned up sick and did not go in the plain hit ware he would off been
me i was on blackburn road when i got home i thought that looks like a film
rip

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Err.......................can I get back to you on that question:rolleyes::D

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It was the day after I'd moved up from London to Glasgow.

I'd always thought it odd when older people spoke about what they were doing when J.F.K. was shot, or when it was announced that we were now at war with Germany.

After 9/11 I knew what they meant.

I watched the terrible events unfold whilst sat in a pub in Glasgow's Westend.

What tends to be forgotton is that whilst the attacks were happening in the U.S., the news reports here were telling us that Canary Wharf was being targeted, and that all flights were being cancelled, as there could be other U.K. targets. It really did feel as if the whole security of the free world was being attacked that day, and changed forever.

My most abiding memory of that day is returning to the flat I was sharing temporarily, and watching the news in the evening with my friend Elinor. As well as the same footage of the attacks on America, I vividly remember seeing a report of how the day's events were received around the world. There was a clip from Palestine of people shouting for joy, and celebrating in the streets. There was a close up of a young boy's face, as he was held up by his ecstatic father. It made me feel sick, and I certainly lost any repect for the political aims of the P.L.O.

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Now that is the sort of brain washed reply the US government want its citizens to believe

. Why would taking the war to them, prevent attacks on American soil? Would it not be more likely to make some non violent people want revenge for the death of loved ones in Iraq/Afghanistan by the US.

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A helluva lot of Canadians are thinking that cleaning out Afghanistan is not worth the cost: 97 Canadian soldiers, 1 diplomat, and 2 aid workers so far; and the total grows every week. "George and his cronies" have, in Canada, a popularity rating a little below that of a rabid skunk.