Do You Feel Betrayed?
 

How many of you folks feel betrayed by this government of ours? I ask because I made the mistake of doing the right thing by my family by working around 30 hours per week (in several part-time jobs) for the last 18 years whilst a single parent. I didn't get involved with anyone until the kids had grown up because I thought it best to not cause disruption whilst the kids were growing up. I set up home with a guy 3 years ago and was working full time as a janitor of a big complex. I lost my job because of spondylosis of the spine and lo and behold I can't claim Job Seekers Allowance because my N.I. contributions are not enough(apparently you have to have worked 40 hours or more for a full 2 years). To add insult to inury, the job centre won't even help me to find a different job which would suit my inability to do certain jobs because I am not registered as disabled. Is it any wonder people don't want to work if this is the way you are treated. I am so angry and frustrated. :thumbsdow

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I don’t think that particularly this government has betrayed you, perhaps society in general. Folk who have disabilities in general terms seem to get the short end of the stick. Similarly folk who care for loved one’s.

I guess when you are open and honest and say to a prospective employer that you have health issues or tend to someone who has , then it must plant a seed of doubt as to what your attendance record might be like. I can understand it, it doesn’t make it right. People do make assumptions.

As for the Job Centre, steer clear, they are a bunch of ******* just going through the motions.

Good luck with your job search. :)

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Make an appointment with the Welfare Rights they will point you in the right direction.

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Agree with both above posts but it really annoys me that people should feel discriminated against in this way. Just another instance of people with genuine claims being made to feel a burden on the system!!! Welfare Rights is the way to go for advice, get in touch with them.

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i felt betrayed the second tony blair went back on almost every single prommise he made during hsi election campaign that got labour back into power

you have a right to feel betrayed , you cant get help to find a job even though you are willing to work and worst of all your not entitled to certain benefits because you havnt paid enough national insurance but those who have never put a damn thing into the system yet alone lived in this country more than a week get everything

yup dontblame ya

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I was under the impression you could only claim Job Seekers allowance if you are available for any work ?

The jobcentre helping anyone find jobs is a long time removed from years ago when it was actually their function, having said that I don't know why anyone would want them to find them a job given the type of jobs they advertise on the jobcentre website.

You can be perfectly well and still struggle to find a job round here. Too experienced, not enough experience, wrong qualifications or skillset.

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I feel betrayed;

They promised me I could retire at 60 now I find it is 63
They promised me a National Health Service but it is in tatters.
They promised me help if I or a family member should be ill, but now they tell me I earn too much for help with council tax, despite the fact husband is too ill too work
I could go on and on but won't
It is not just one government it is the whole system

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True but is it not the various governments who put the systems in place ?

No matter how much we don't like it there is never going to be a one system fits all, but it would be good if the system treated those who want help or need help better than those who can't be bothered and use the system.

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Just slightly off thread : i got a letter from the town hall telling me i had not yet made new arrangements to pay poll tax etc as from the end of september you cant take cash into the town hall to pay a bill (i don't pay it i am on income support) anyway i went to the town hall to sort it out .
i walked in and got my ticket no 20 looked at the sign it was on 13 so sat down there was a few people there with the same letter including an 80 year old pensioner we waited and waited 14,15 16 then a bloke came out and told use all that if we where there to sort anything out we would have to make an appointment as they have changed the system and those with tickets where only queing to make an appointment for another day.
as look would have it a woman came round to check what people where waiting for and all those with the letter got sorted then and there.
so if your going to the town hall for anything be prepared to get a ticket and Que for 2 hours to make an appointment to come back another day

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Totally disillusioned with ALL mainstream political parties. Watching the delegates at last week's Labour Party Conference, I was amazed at how totally detached from reality they are. Gordon is the man who can guide us through the present economic turmoil...Gordon will win us the next election...who are they trying to kid? But I could equally say the same about the Tories and the LibDems. This is why I've registered my protest by joining the Official Monster Raving Loony Party...to be honest, they talk more sense!
:rolleyes:

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I think that says a lot about what is wrong with this country. Top heavy with over paid bureauocrats and management who haven't a clue how to provide a good service. No coincidence that the areas you see it most are those of a governmental nature. The government is rife with it, the NHS is rife with and councils are rife with it. We have 600+ people earning a good living by not listening or taking action,they call them MP's :mad:

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Both the above comments illustrate why I said that it was the system rather than progressive governments

Ther current 2 or 3 party system is noi use to the ordinary person in this country it merely reinforces the inequalities in society

We need a complete re think - a revolution.

Of course 'they' will not let us have one

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I thought the idea of a revolution was that the government can not stop it.

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I recently read a rather wild conspiracy theory that said that the US financial meltdown is due to erupt mid October into massive civil unrest, which would result in mass incarceration of civilians in prison compounds recently built for the purpose (how could they know they'd be needed:confused:)

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it wouldnt surprise me in the least

even us british eventualy say enough is enough and riot , take the poll tax riots for example so it wouldnt surprise me if our govenment also was prepparing for unrest in this country

anyway it will soon be bombfire night and like every year i will be hoping somone manages to celibrate it properly and finish off guy fawks's brilliant master plan :D

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oops due to our govenments paranoia by posting teh above comment i may have actualy commited an act of terror and not voiced an opinion under teh freedom of speech act

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:rolleyes: Ludicrous! All very well if you aren't working but what about people who have had an afternoon off in the hope of sorting something out? They then have to get another afternoon off! This council goes from bad to worse.

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i usualy grab a ticket and go for a walk around town rather than spend all day waiting to be seen , you can see the number display from outside so i just walk past and look in occasionaly

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There has been an appointments system in place since March, but the idiocy of it is they still have the ticket system in place. You can still go in, in the hope of being seen. So sometimes I make an appointment, get there 5 mins before the due time, as they say you should, to report to the desk, and I'm still waiting to be seen while people with tickets go before me! Madness. They should have publicised the appointments system more rigorously in the first place, and phased the ticket system out with in a couple of weeks. Even the counter staff think it's madness. By the way, they are open Saturday till about 1pm willow. :)

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since when has anyone with half a brain been put in charge of anything at HBC ?

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We do need a revolution polly, and changes to be made, and if everyone votes, we may well be listened to, that made me laugh Mick, I keep thinking they wont get anymore stupid at council level, and then you go and post another idiotic idea they had, lol

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Whats the difference between a banana and a politician.
They go in green, turn yellow and come out bent.

Retlaw.

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all the talk of unrest, riots is just garbage, i remember the introduction of the poll tax, tens of thousands were going to refuse to pay, what happened? a few pensioners did n were jailed fer it,n all the barrack room lawyers slunk away n paid up. whichever government is in power knows this, the only time the british public get off the pot is "War Time" so all governments will continue crapping on us all. its that simple.:(

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I don't understand why you can't get Job Seekers Allowance because my ex boyfriend dropped out of University at the end of last year, has never worked 40hrs a week in this country, though worked for about 9 months in Vietnam and he has signed on ok and he's certainly never worked 40hrs.

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Does self relience come into this thread anywhere ? .......you come into this life without anything.....at the end you take nothing out ....anything in-between is what you make for yourself , the good and the bad :confused: :confused:
Forget the silver spoon crap , enough kids born in 2 up 2 downs with an outside lavvy have raised themselves up through either their own or their parents efforts to suceed in life without a crutch (see William Woodruff /Road to Nab End thread) .:eek: :eek:

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Just been watching some American newspaper columnist called Irwin Seltzer on Sky News, commenting on the present economic situation in Britain. He summed it up perfectly when he said "the prime minister is peddling his persona, rather than any policies to deal with the current crisis and the Tories are just policy-lite." He pointed out that George Osbourne, the Shadow Chancellor, had said that there should be an alternative to nationalising the Bradford & Bingley. "If he has one, I wish he'd share it with us" was Mr Seltzer's somewhat acidic remark.

We're in a very worrying situation at the moment and the fact that both the government and opposition consist of a bunch of mediocre time-servers is going to cost us dear. Sod this, I'm off to the pub and footy to forget about it all for awhile.

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I feel betrayed that this govenment sees fit to spend the money of normal working people to prop up B&B, therefor keeping Browns friends in the financial industry in Fat Cat Stree whilst we freeze to death.

the first things to be privatized should be Gas and Electric things that have a direct affect on all of us, every day.

To add insult to industry once they have B&B it seems likely that certain sections will be sold off to the Spanish!

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Eon is German owned, Edf is french owned, and more energy companies are also likely to be forign owned, how exactly, do we nationalise gas and electric?

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Well we do exactly as they did with the railways ans szy, on such a date we (the British Govt) are buying you out, here is your pitance now b****** off.
Simple?

Or more cost effective the government just starts a new, non profit making company owned by the people who subscribe to it and receive their energy at sensible prices. Within days eon etc would find they and their high prices were out of business

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No, it isnt that simple polly, we dont have access to the gas supply to this country for starters, (be careful with the asterisks.. see rindy's thread), further to this, the last non profit service related set up the government got into was eaga, set up to distribute the free central heating and insulation grants, eaga were allowed to set up an installation branch and carry out a maximum of 20% of the work, they actually do more than 40% of it, and the company (owned by non profit making eaga) made 18 million profit last year.

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One can be too careful in this life and that is often the reason things never get changed. Clearly your have missed out on the irony there based on the other thread.

Was eaga a registered not for profit company? If so it would have had rules about excessive profits being mad and not put back into the company.

Please explain what you mean about us not having access to the gas supply for this company, this is interesting

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I know what you mean Jack.
When I left school I had nothing - I've got twice as much now.:D:D

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Eaga was set up as a non profit making company to issue the free grants, they have been questioned about the profits, and do the usual ducking and diving on the subject.
Our gas was north sea gas I believe, and am told that most of this is sold of to other countries, and we buy ours in from Russia, predominantly, at a much higher cost than we sell our north sea gas for, not sure about the politics regarding this, but we do pay much more for gas than we would have to do if the nationalised industries had remained that way, as it is, most of our resources are foreign owned and that, along with gulf wars, is th reason we are fleeced.

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Derekgas

Very interesting if you h ave any further details on this issue please let me know.

However, I do feel this is an area were we must think out of the box

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You could start here Polly. eaga | Media Centre | Latest News
Then there is this.. http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debate...-03-03c.1563.0

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I can't get it because they say so. Who am to argue with the rules (even though I did put in an appeal and lost). It seems your ex could be getting Income Based Job Seekers Allowance or Income Support. Either way I can't get anything unless I try for DLA which I have tried for before and been refused 3 times. Apparently losing the use of your arm and being unable to cope with everyday tasks are not a disability. Blow that for a game of marbles. My stubborn nature will get me a job one way or another. I can be very tenacious when I want