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steeljack 29-09-2008 20:41

crime and punishment
 
Maybe it's just a US thing , but does anyone else see a disparity in punishment for various crimes, seems to me people get a bigger sentance for thieving and financial crimes than for physical violence against another persons
anyone care to comment about the rights or wrongs of this :confused: :confused:

shakermaker 29-09-2008 20:46

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This is the true Labour legacy here. Longer jail sentences for tax fraud than for rape and murder. It really is disgusting and reveals the priorities of the men at the top.

Benipete 29-09-2008 21:02

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 636369)
Maybe it's just a US thing , but does anyone else see a disparity in punishment for various crimes, seems to me people get a bigger sentance for thieving and financial crimes than for physical violence against another persons
anyone care to comment about the rights or wrongs of this :confused: :confused:

Does this mean a lot of Bankers and Mortgage Brokers will be getting life sentences over there then?:D:D:hidewall:

steeljack 29-09-2008 21:24

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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 636381)
Does this mean a lot of Bankers and Mortgage Brokers will be getting life sentences over there then?:D:D:hidewall:

If I was a Judge the would , but as usual they will walk away with their 'golden parachutes' , one guy who was hired earlier this month to head Washington Mutual , a bank which failed last week will walk away with a 16 milloin dollar 'severance package' for less than a months work ....disgusting :mad: :mad:

Royboy39 29-09-2008 21:25

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 636373)
This is the true Labour legacy here. Longer jail sentences for tax fraud than for rape and murder. It really is disgusting and reveals the priorities of the men at the top.

Violent crime and crimes against the person are on the up and through lack of forsight by the government there is no room at the Inn to lock them up and many of them get away with a smacked wrist.
In order to keep the prosecution figures up the 'White Collar' fraudsters can be locked up in open prisons where there is room, these establishments can be extended with little extra cost.
Life should mean life and all violent crimes should carry the full tariff for the crime without remission.

Wynonie Harris 29-09-2008 21:41

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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 636393)
Life should mean life and all violent crimes should carry the full tariff for the crime without remission.

That's what I think, that's what you think, that's what I would estimate around 90% of the population think. Unfortunately our views aren't shared by the hierarchy of the Labour, Tory and Lib/Dem parties, the judiciary and other members of the ruling classes. So don't expect commonsense measures like this to be implemented anytime soon.

cashman 29-09-2008 21:49

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common sense died years ago, R.I.P. commonsense.:(

Stanaccy 29-09-2008 21:53

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 636373)
This is the true Labour legacy here. Longer jail sentences for tax fraud than for rape and murder. It really is disgusting and reveals the priorities of the men at the top.


Actually I think you will find going back decades that crimes against the establishment are punished harsher than crimes against the person. I remember some horrendous sentencing in the eighties.

People are not as important as the banking or finance world to the judiciary.

Royboy39 29-09-2008 21:58

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Originally Posted by Stanaccy (Post 636405)
Actually I think you will find going back decades that crimes against the establishment are punished harsher than crimes against the person. I remember some horrendous sentencing in the eighties.

People are not as important as the banking or finance world to the judiciary.

I know this is thread wander but life is like that:
I was going to start a new thread but it seems sensible forum members are on here.
Do you think that the Banks are getting their comuppence for many years of mismanagement and lack of control?

cashman 29-09-2008 22:01

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Originally Posted by Stanaccy (Post 636405)
Actually I think you will find going back decades that crimes against the establishment are punished harsher than crimes against the person. I remember some horrendous sentencing in the eighties.

People are not as important as the banking or finance world to the judiciary.

the "Great Train Robbers" got 30 yrs min in the 60s, cos it was government money, at that time average lifer was doing approx 16 yrs.

Wynonie Harris 29-09-2008 22:06

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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 636408)
Do you think that the Banks are getting their comuppence for many years of mismanagement and lack of control?

Can't see many of the fat cats who run these institutions and have caused these problems suffering very much. It'll be us lot who'll carry the can for their misdemeanors with job losses, falling pension funds and the rest.

yerself 30-09-2008 00:05

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I was watching an old episode of 'Porridge' the other day, Fletcher and Godber were discussing disparity in sentencing, Godber said it seemed car thieves were receiving longer sentences than murderers. "That's because it takes ten minutes to make a car and only two minutes to make a life", said Fletch. This series was made in the 1970s. Nothing's changed much.

cashman 30-09-2008 00:15

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 636452)
I was watching an old episode of 'Porridge' the other day, Fletcher and Godber were discussing disparity in sentencing, Godber said it seemed car thieves were receiving longer sentences than murderers. "That's because it takes ten minutes to make a car and only two minutes to make a life", said Fletch. This series was made in the 1970s. Nothing's changed much.

twas a great comedy that, but much of the sarcastic wit was very apt.;)

jaysay 30-09-2008 10:21

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Well I'm one of those people who think a murderer who kills in cold blood, life should mean life, with no parole. There is a lot to admire about the american system of sentencing, things like 25 years to life, meaning they are not concidered for parole until they've served 25 years. having said that I'm not keen on the plea bargaining, but it seems to work for the Yanks

Wynonie Harris 01-10-2008 09:43

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Here's a prime example of the way the "intelligensia" think about this subject...

Tory Party conference: Cherie Blair booed by victims' families over human rights - Telegraph

Sad...really sad. :(


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