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Looks like this bill is now dead in the water after being thrown out by the Lords.
118 for 309 against.

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Looks like the days of 'You will do as the Government says' are over. :o

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Should have put a poll on this one Pete..the Lords were always gonna chuck this one.. just like the fox hunting..

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looks more like the days of the "Lords" as they are the landed gentry..will always try to stay in power.. and for all those who were all for the 42 days rule..careful now

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Ye but, the lefties won on fox hunting and thousands lost their job as a result.

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Are you talking of the newly appointed squire?...Sir Poncy?

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thousands? I think thats abit over estimated ...not as many of the real thousands that lost jobs in mining,steel,fabrics.. under a Tory rule...I am stating that yourself and other members seemed to be all for the 42 days detention rule but have backed off now that the Lords (your real seat of government) are now blocking a Labour government.. surprise!

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It was costing the British taxpayer many millions of pounds to prop up the Mining industry and the steel industry, the fabrics industry was overtaken by cheap imports from asia, as was the cotton industry in the 1960's.
I read today that milk imports in to the UK is reaching new levels.
The Labour Government have no answers to the questions that were asked when they were last in power.

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'...the government will publish a bill containing the 42 day plan; this bill will be held in reserve to be introduced should there be a terrorist emergency. Ministers said they had decided to follow this course because the introduction of the counter-terrorism bill would have been delayed by a year if the government had embarked on a lengthy battle with the Lords.'


http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...sm-uksecurity1

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fer me if ever there was a case fer abolishing these snotty freeloaders this is it.:(

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The introduction of Baron Poncy helps does it? :)

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Don't be mean.

At least let Mark Thatcher don the ermine, and take his seat, after his mummy has been taken to Heaven by the angels, before it's consigned to the history books.

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An age old battle with the Lords yet again...when this Goverment get mashed at the next elections the slogan against them could be that they said they would rid us of the ugly seat of unelected power such as the Lords..but did not.. no matter the real financial help to the less well paid.. lone parents that have been helped.. the NHS that has improved massively.... the same old tax cut Tory kak will come on...and the same old sad people will vote them back.

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The vast majority of us here supported the increase to 42 days, as seen in our poll.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...oll-41085.html

As with many things, such as the death penalty, and tougher immigration, longer prison sentences etc., those in power think they know what's better for us, than we the people.

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Garinda....at the end of the day....we do as we are told...like it or lump it. :rolleyes:

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Until global warming means we get better weather, and we can be bothered to start the revolution.;)

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I agreed with it then and still do now but hey ho we must consider the human rights of the suspected terrorists:rolleyes:

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i'm up to date on the polls held on here Garinda ;)...it was an overwelming vote for the 42 days.. but some of the pro 42 days now seem to have buggered off since the Tory Lords have dismissed it....maybe down to the bank to uphold every tories right to take the money and run.. and stuff the oiks

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thats true, pity the "Guardia Civil" couldn't vote, doubt very much much if they would have supported the Lords, then they aint a bunch of tarts like ours roy.:rolleyes:

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Yeah, bless 'em.

Thank goodness there are people like David Davis out there, standing up for the poor little dears.

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yeh like those poor doctors in glasgow, who are wasting public time n money pleading not guilty.:rolleyes:

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I actually spoke to the main anti-42 days protagonist today, he's busy getting an education at university, though sadly not at the School of Life College.:D

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oh how times change..looks like this thread is gonna waste away...the people that were so noble in supporting the 42 days detention now lay beaten and solem.. because their real masters have said no... kiss the feet of your masters.. the Tory Lords!

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To have a Bill thrown out, that was passed in a democratic vote by our elected Members of Parliament, and supported by the majority of the British people, by an unelected second House, made up of inbred cretins, and cronies, is a disgrace.

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yer kissin em as much as any ****** mancie mate, cos like us can do sod all about it.:rolleyes:

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Of course ..and how far will they go?..they even staged an attack on Parliment ..inside and outside to support an underground right wing movement that is very real in our democracy

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According to the poll, only five members of Accy Web voted in opposition of the increase to 42 days detention without charge.

AccyAlec, andrewb, jambutty, shakermaker, and yourself Mancie.

Perhaps you, Jambutty, and Tory Boy, can organise a celebratory party round at David Davis's gaff.;)

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I can vote anti Tory! ;)

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well stone me is mancie a secret tory?:D

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You can't beat Garinda for the MI5 stuff..i voted against cos I don't think it is needed.. my vote on accy web will not go down to far in the house of Lords!..(unless you release all the copies of my day to day activities you must hold)..whatever I...you.. or anyone decides is best is still to be decided by ..as you say.. an unelected bunch of yes boys and girls.

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Well he supported the Tory 'rebels' who opposed the bill.

All this anti-Tory guff is probably just a cover, a double bluff.

He's probably just some generated 'bot, working out of Conservative H.Q. in Victoria Street, Westminster.

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No, you certainly can't.;):D

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i'm a bloody Tory.. jesus.thats it. I'm off :D

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I wouldn't perhaps go that for.

You're more of a Tory tool.

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I have never complained about the abuse I have been made to suffer through my days on this forum..abuse that could make a strong man weep... but to be honest the abuse ...I feel in myself..has come to a limit when members use open post stating ...I am a Tory!... there are limits to what any man can take.. don't do it again..

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Of course this would not have got through the House of Commons but for the back handers given to the Independents.
Suppose you could call it buying votes,No other word for it.:hidewall::hidewall:

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see ya can't read either, i didn't say that, i asked a question.:D

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Ok Cashy... same question..are you a tory?..now I know what the answer maybe ... but the mere statement has an stigma that a person could suffer for life ;)

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He's a Labourite that conserves everything he gets hold of.:gooddog:

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No labour here.. just an niggle that the Tories are never good

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Are we done discussing Mancie's political views? Back on topic any time soon?

I'm one of the few on this board who is firmly against the 42 day detention. It seems to have slipped the mind of the think tank dwellers to make the counter terrorism authorities better at their job in the time allocated (less red tape perhaps?) before ignoring human rights.

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Sorry, you can't have it both ways.

It's the 'human rights' of your poor suspected terrorists, that has created the mountains of red tape.

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You mean the Tory Lords such as Lord Goldsmith, Lord Falconer, Lord Mandelson of Foy, Lady Jay, Lord Hoyle and countless other leaing old Labour(we hate the Lords) who now wear the Ermine

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Those of us who were and still are against the increase to 42 days detention without charge shouldn’t rejoice too soon.

The Home Secretary has announced that she will re-introduce the bill at some future date.

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I was against the 42 day rule because it is not necessary, its just overkill, when these terror suspects are arrested most of the donkey work has been done in the lead up to the arrest, If they cannot bring charges within the present 28 day legislation then there must be a ver flimsey cse in the first place. Plus there was a case of this government using terror laws in other areas, i.e. only last week they used the anti teror legislation agains Iceland in the wake of the financial catastrophe.

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Not really. The government craps it's trolleys and responds to post-terrorism situations with ill-thought out and unnecessary legislation. Such situations are really owed more nouse and respect than the primitive "lock 'um up for longer so we won't get bombed".

The ironic drawl implemented with the "poor suspected terrorists" routine is just silly, let's stop it. Contrary to popular belief, those of us against the 42 day detention wouldn't give those found with bombs strapped to their chests a slap on the wrist and an "away you go, sonny Jim".