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Watching the news earlier I was totally shocked to find that Christies Hospital have lost a lot of money that people have donated for charity. Do you think the fact that they have all this money stashed away will make people reluctant to contribute? I have always tried to help in whatever way I can when people have had fund raising nights but feel that now I would hesitate. Simply because this money could have been being used for research IMO rather than be sitting in a bank. What are your thoughts?

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Bernie....the only advise I can offer is don't panic. :)

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A lot of charities stash the money for wages and expenses and just use the interest for the cause.
That's why they don't get mine and I suspect a lot more people will be having second thoughts.:confused:

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Not panicing Roy but think it will make me more inclined to donate elsewhere:)

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apart from mcmillan nurses n rememberance day, they can all kiss my ass.

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That's not the way to spell arse...............and I.m dedicted to the Poppy. :)

Dont fancy kissing a donkey. :eek:

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The only charities that really do use 100% of the money received are small local charities who have a 100% volunteer basis. They don't normally use any monies received for anything but maintaining the person/animal they wish to help. I personally think the smaller charities do more for their cause than the bigger charities because they don't expect to be paid for their involvement. Isn't that what a charity is supposed to be about?

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That's what I thought when I did what I did for a couple of causes.Sadly that was not the case and I was badly let down by people that I trusted.

So I will still do what I can but I won't put 10p in a box.I'd Rather help directly.:mosher:

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It is one thing for a charity (or a local authority for that matter) having a bank account for the day to day running of the organisation, but quite another stashing the donations and speculating with them to gain a bit of interest. And then crying poverty to scoop more donations from the long suffering public.

Christies’ explanation was that they were saving the money up for several projects. That’s bunkum and just an excuse thought up on the spur of the moment. Other charities caught out by this financial crisis are also coming up with similar excuses.

My view is that once you have enough money to fund a project you use it to do so and not wait until there is also enough to start the next project and the one after that.

What’s the betting that the real reason for hoarding donations is to use the accrued interest to pay the salaries of the senior people running the charity so that they don’t appear to be coming out of public donations.

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There was one of the bird charities that had 11 million in icelandic banks, besides stashing money, a lot of your spam email and junk post comes from charities selling off your name and address. Good thread bernadette.

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I've been a patron of the Christy hospital for a few years, and am contaced regularly, I think the reason there was so much money in the Icelandic bank was because, a lot of what they do costs a lot of money and whilst they raise enough to carry out the project they invest in a high interest account to maximise the investment, would think this is the case with a lot of charities. Unfortunately this crisis in Iceland cameout of the blue and caught a lot of people of guard, not only cherities but the ordinary man in the street. The thing that really annoys me is the fact that places like the Christy have to rely on charity in the first place, as I know just what vital work they do in the battle to overcome cancer. The reason I got involved with this cause is that a very clse friend was given only a 30% chance of beating cancer and the Christy pulled him through

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I think you need to change your name to Willow the Wise One:D

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I cannot understand that on the one hand we are being told they are struggling to survive and on the other they lose millions in a bank crash. Sorry it does not add up to me.

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A spokesman for Christies on the news a few days ago stated that the charity had several projects waiting to start and that is why the donations were hoarded, although he didn’t used the word hoarded. But he did seem embarrassed with the situation. A bit like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

Now if they had several projects waiting to start there must have been enough money to get at least one off the ground and running.

More than 10 years ago in another forum the topic of charities was being discussed. One response was from a guy who worked for a charity and he admitted that his salary was £20k. His job? He was a fund raising manager.

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So as long as he raises more than £20k he has cost the charity nothing.

Councils are starting to get wise to this as well. Some employ people to find money from outside the Council. They have to pay their own wage though by using management fees included in funding bids.

The Friends of Rhyddings park can apply for money that HBC can not. This means we can bring in money that would otherwise be lost to Oswaldtwistle. We try to add in a management fee when we can to fund the group. For example every meeting we hold costs us about £30-£35 in postage, stationary and venue costs.

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Venue costs? - does this include room hire?
It would seem reasonable for HBC to let you use a room in one of their buildings free, in view of the good work you put in for the benefit of the borough.

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I would like to know what percentage of each pound is actually used by each charity for its intended purpose. Anyone any info?

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Probably awash with the fat cat's bonuses

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He has cost the charity £20k pa. What is wrong with going in one day a week or month for free to do the fund raising?

If a person ‘works’ for a charity, that person should give his/her time FREE, just the same as the street collectors give their time for FREE.

That is the problem with charities. Those who run the charity get paid for doing so. Those who do the work that the charity supports do the job for free, except for a handful of ‘executives’ at the top who earn a comfortable wage.

The RSPCA is a typical example. If it weren’t for the volunteers the various establishments would not function. The RNLI is another example. So is the British Legion.

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Isn't the idea of volunteering for a charity that you give your time freely and without pay. Many charities rely on the many generous folk who do just that. Why should someone make money doing what a lot of volunteers already do for nothing. I can see no benefit in paying for a fundraiser and I'm almost sure 15 or so years ago charities didn't rely on employing people to do that.
I don't think anyone is suggesting qualified persons shouldn't be employed by charities (vets, doctors, etc) but any monies raised shouldn't be used for something that for years has always been done by volunteers.

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I was the Secretary of the Hyndburn Branch of the National Asthma Campaign (now Asthma UK)for 4 years, It actually cost me money has it as for every charity I have been invoved. We raised money for a verity of projects, but I did get fed up off rules had regs we had to adher to, especially when I recieved the balance sheet each year, and saw the sararies of centra office staff.

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only "Charity" workers/collectors I have any time for are the Salvation Army , don't believe I have ever read or heard one bad word about them.
As for the Red Cross they can sod off , they go into disaster areas with one intention ....how to make as money for central HQ as possible ,and ****** the victims who have lost everything .








anyone else ever have fantasys about tambourines and Bonnets :eek: ;) ;)

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I am with Willow on this one .. raising money is a professional job and to get a professional have to employ professionals.

The people that do it voluntarily have not to put much thought/effort/marketing into it (and wouldn't wish to) .. except stand on the street shaking a container.

'Tis the only way in my opinion.

Have had many friends being paid for this work, including one that worked from home persuading people to become collectors in their area for Dr. Barnodos. Sure she was paid commission, but did reap benefits for the charity at the end of the day. Others in more high-flying full time jobs .. again they were professional sales people, and knew the art of persuasion/presenting and laying out the advantages of donating to particular charities. That talent costs money.

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nor did HBC, why do you think the recent lottery bid failed?

After that maybe they will now start to think that filling in these bits of paper for a grant application is the specialist job that it is.

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Methinks that Cashy's famed Lancashire vocab is being corrupted by trans pond English;) Anyway, I'm going to get my ass in gear and go vote. I'm voting NDP which is a helluva lot closer to labour than those clowns at Westminster, who seem to be doing a good job of screwing up Britain.

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well said neil, some just can't or won't see the need fer specialists in certain areas.:rolleyes:

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Well said my backside, I am biting my lip that hard on this one I will be in need of a blood transfusion soon :(

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The Accrington Blind society employed a professional to apply for a lottery grant few years ago Neil, cost quit a lot of money too, they got turned down:rolleyes:

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I'd give you karma for that post Neil but I've given out too much recently apparently :(

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Thats why its called a lottery bid :)

You can only do everything you can to try and win it.

If the bid fails then so does the management fee park of it and the professional in question does not get paid. Thats whats good about a fund finder thats pay his/her wage from the bids.

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All well and good Neil but why do so many outrageuos organisations manage it, there was one last year £350000 for an asylum seekers support group. As some one who plays the lottery I'd rather see projects like Rhyddings park and the blind society being sucussful, but they seem to have to work much harder to get grants

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Maybe that comes down to those doing the judging.

Also if the bid meets all the relevant criteria for the particular bid and the forms are correctly filled in and all the supporting evidence is there to show the need then it should get the funding.

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what do you expect they are british.:rolleyes:;)

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No one has to work harder than anyone else - everyone has exactly the same forms to fill in.

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But as you have said before Gayle, there does seem to be an art in it, as you well know.

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Not art Kate, its like everything else, experience and knowing how to do it, more of a skill I would say. It also helps if you can read and understand what the application requires and know how to word your answers to maximise whatever scoring method they use to access them.

I will stick with skill and experience I think.

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Fair enough there may be an art to it, or skill or experience, but if someone doesn't have that skill they don't get given simpler forms!

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Excuse me madam but I am the sarcastic git on here :rolleyes::D

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Well I'm back!

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Have you been away? :p

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Which is precisely why you need someone filling them in who does have the knack. :)

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I personally believe it is irrelevent wether forms are correctly filled in. At the end of the day so much money is allocated to so many types of projects and I'm convinced that the people who decide what projects are worthy are the ones that are close to their hearts.

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Don't quite believe that Mothernature ... they have to be impartial, and believe they are .. 'course we are only talking lottery money here, not the charities who hire professionals to raise money.

The 'judges' of the lottery allocation have no local knowledge, such as the one at Rhyddings Park, so have to judge on the case put forward by the applicant. Or am I incorrect, and they come and look for themselves ?

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A bit of both, Katex. When there are large amounts of money at stake they do tend to have a meeting with the applicants - basically to check out if the application makes sense and is worthy.

But, as far as they are concerned they treat all applicants equally.

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I don't think I understand what you mean by that. Are you saying that it does not matter if you fill the forms in correctly?

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I would think though that in the case of Rhyddings, was not just their particular need or the quality of the application, but they probably looked at other parks and recreation areas in the area and decided was not urgent at the moment ?

Perhaps if it had been the only park in an area of 20 miles with heavy population, would not have been a problem.

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No. What I am saying is given the choice and not knowing the areas involved, would you support a charity that means nothing to you or would you support one that you feel for.

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That could well be true Gayle, but in my way of thinking not everyone is treated equally, you know the old saying every one is equal, yet some are more equal than others springs to mind. It has long been said that the people who dole out the cash are members of the bleeding heart brigade, there has also been a call from many quarters that its time for more imput from the people who actually put their money down every week and buy tickets, and I firmly subscribe t that

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So do you think the accessing bodies are biased to groups they are associated with?

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Ask me about it on Saturday.

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Sorry Jaysay but I completely disagree. No one is more equal than others - I know exactly what you mean by this - if the forms are filled in and application fulfils the criteria then there is no justification for refusing it.

The system is not flawed. The flaws come in the applications.

The Big Lottery is managed in Newcastle Upon Tyne. Bids from all around the country are processed there. Arts Council have regional offices so bids are processed in Manchester for our area and the same for Heritage Lottery, they have a regional centre. So there is no bias towards southern based projects!

They are not run by 'bleeding hearts' in fact I think it's the opposite and it's almost too clinical. If you sent in an application that was too emotional but not full of the correct data and information it would definitely get refused.

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I have actually seen one of these forms, although a long time ago, and to be quite honest, you need to be a boffin just to fill in the basics. However, I still say that the people who actually play the lottery should have a say in where the money goes. You say there is no bias, but tell me how many people who play the lottery have actually been the the Royal Opera House or the National Ballet, yet these London based organisaions were showered with Millions of Lotter money, to me I'd sooner see money spent in Rhyddings Park or The Accrington Blind society rather than projects which are suported by people who have probably never bought a lottery ticket in their lives

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So do I, I don't want to see £25,000,000 spent on the Olympic shooting venue so they can use it for six weeks then pull it down :mad:

London officials back Woolwich shooting venue - Telegraph

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Bloody stupid, not only that but every time we here of 2012, the price has gone up, only this week the government has bailed out the Olympic Village to the tune of around £90 million, seems the Government is bailing everything out, how about a few quid for Pets Corner in Rhyddings Park, Gordon, we've got a new Goat and its eating us out of house and home:D

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This is a link to show how funds are divided and who manages the funding.

The National Lottery Good Causes :: About Lottery funding - FAQs

Yes, I too would like to see Rhyddings Park get the money and the Blind Society and all other local charities. Just out of curiosity Jaysay, how would you make the decision that Rhyddings Park should get the money and not a park in Reading or in Durham? Would you not identify some criteria which the applicants would have to prove that they can fulfil?

As for the bigger flagship grants - yes there are a few of them and yes they may seem elitist but they are not made to the detriment of smaller grants to smaller applicants. I'm not thrilled with the Olympics at the moment as a lot of money is being diverted to sports but on the other hand, when the Olympics are over they'll divert it back to the arts to make it fair.

As for smaller charities - if they don't apply then they don't get the funding! Have the Blind Society ever applied?

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With regards to Rhyddigs Park v a Park in Reading, I'd just send um a photo of Rhyddings Park Gayle, sorted:D

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Oh well, in that case, such a use of logic can't fail! :rolleyes:

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And they may just think "why should we give money to a park that has obviously been neglected by the local Council?"

Now if the evidence was submitted with the bid that the park would not again be neglected and that management, maintenance and budget plans were in place they might agree with you.

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Yes, but knowing HOW to do something doesn't actually make the task easier, it just means that you are better equiped to do it. Brain surgery is easier if you've been taught how to operate on brains.

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Well thats exactly what I meant Neil, how foolish to think otherwise:rolleyes:

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But do you not think is stupid when the criteria is so that you have to engage profesional people to fill out forms to get funding for essential community needs, in my eyes it kind of defeats the object entirely, and in a lot of cases puts people and groups off applying

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I do and I don't. They have to be able to assess each application and make sure the money is needed and going to be used properly.

I would be careful arguing with Gayle, she will sneak round your place and turn your oxygen off :rolleyes::eek::D

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Well I can see your point of view but the problem is the balance - they have to make sure that the causes who get the money are the right ones so they have to ask the right questions. If they make it too easy then lots of unworthy causes will end up taking all the money anyway so they have to put a few hoops there for people to jump through.

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Oh you mean the Royal Opera and the National Ballet Gayle:Dand don't take any notice of the Neil I don't think for a minute you could be so nasty as sneek round a turn my oxygen off:rolleyes:

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No but she might swap the bottle with one of these

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...ey-fartgas.jpg

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:Nice one Neil, the only trouble is I don't have bottles I only have draught:D:closeey:

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I never said associated with. What I mean is if you had the choice of granting monies to a worthy charity, would it be to one you feel for more than another. For example, I personally would always lean towards environmental/animal charities before religous/overseas charities.

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Well presumably it would not just be down to once person to decide, so if you wanted to save a donkey you might be over ruled by the rest of whatever comittee. :)

Would have thought these things have to go through several stages in the processing, they don't just open the application and decide yes or no. Maybe certain amounts to go certain sectors. I'm only guessing so don't jump on me if I'm wrong, but seems logical.

If you have the right people involved with your organisation you don't necessarily need to employ a professional, as long as the person given the task knows what they are doing.

"Mr P" at 1st Church Boys' Brigade, is brilliant at this , and secured grants, funds and equipment from various avenues, including i believe, a small amount from lottery funding.

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There is a letter in the Observer of a reader showing disgust at 'Peter Britcliffe' applying for the £1.6 million purely for Rhyddings Park, and not for other areas. Does appear to be quite a sum ? He is accredited, therefore, with this application .. again, not sure if correct.

Also he stated last week after notification of failure to secure funds that it was judged on "political not actual need" ????

To carry on Mr Britcliffe's statement:-

"I think it is disgraceful because we were led to believe it would be a success. Most of the cash, which is in the millions of pounds, has gone to Manchester and Liverpool. What I see is a Government trying to churn up support in larger areas"

Surely not :confused:

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Well kate they've got to start wooing their support in the heartlands of Liverpool and Manchester now that their new found friends in the South East have rumbled them:rolleyes:

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Just can't understand what the Government have to do with the distribution of lottery funds, supposed to be an independent body isn't it ? :confused:

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Exactly

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I have no idea what that means

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just a question as an uninvolved outsider , why are these lottery funds not split up on a regional/county basis , if area 'X' supplies 10% of the lottery money why don't they get back 10% of the Charity money ? would think every lottery outlet is hooked up to a central computer

just curious :confused:

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Maybe because we are a lot smaller over here.

Some of the lottery funders are set out like that. There is more than one lottery based f unding body. Different funding streams are specific towards certain types of projects.

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I suspect that the argument would be that they want to make it fair. Imagine if one area of the country has very little money and so spends very little on the lottery - they're probably the area that needs the lottery funding.

From what I've seen they do spread lottery funds fairly evenly around the country. Hyndburn is now one of the the Fairshare areas. There are a few areas up and down the country that have been designated Fairshare by the lottery. A set amount of money was then put aside for each of those areas to address the balance.

I'll also repeat what I've said many times - Hyndburn has missed out on funding mostly because few organisations apply for the funding and so therefore less comes to Hyndburn.

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I would say this is a bit naive katex, there isnt much of our money that the government arnt involved with, especially when it comes to stealing it, or taxing and distributing it, I am bold enough to suggest that the lottery grants go more or less exactly where the government want them to go.

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I don't believe they do, except for the Olympics that is.

If you want lottery funding and you are going down the funding grant route then you need to be able to meet the required criteria, show proof that you meet it and show proof of need. All this is done by submitting a correctly filled in application form with documentation evidence.


I can't see why so many people can't understand the need to complete and application form correctly. You have to fill in forms from everything from house insurance to benefits etc.

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It has long been known Gayle that deprived areas usually have the busiest bookies, so you can bet:rolleyes: that the same thing applies to the lottery too, and the fairshare areas have most probably been set aside at the behest of the Government;)

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You've led a sheltered life Neil, and never been involved in politics:D

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Only just got to read through the thread . Obviously money has to be stashed to some extent so that they are ready to invest in any breakthrough. The placeis an institution and is moving forward by the day. CASHMAN>>>>>>>>>>>> I am surprised at your imput and I don't think anyone would like to grant you wish .

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This press release shows where the latest round of funding went to - i.e. the parks that got it when Rhyddings Park missed out. Just for the record Rhyddings was only at Stage 1 - so would have been part of the very last list right at the bottom IF it had been awarded anything.



Today, the Heritage Lottery Fund (HLF) and Big Lottery Fund (BIG) have announced that five historic parks in England are set to be transformed with the help of grants totalling £14million. This money from the joint Parks for People* programme will help regenerate much-loved parks in Newcastle, West Bromwich, Plymouth, Newark and Worcester.

A further nine parks are also celebrating today having been awarded £913,700 to help develop detailed proposals for grants of £17million**.

Communities Secretary Hazel Blears, said "We all know that good quality parks are essential to our communities. They can make a real difference to our health and social wellbeing. We've seen a renaissance of our parks in recent years and this new funding will mean that even more people will be able to enjoy high quality green spaces to relax, exercise and play. I hope that local communities take this opportunity to get involved in restoring their parks as places for us all to enjoy."

Jenny Abramsky, Chair of the Heritage Lottery Fund, said “Parks are special places that enrich our lives and contribute to the well-being of communities across the country. Lottery funding has had a huge impact on hundreds of parks, creating wonderful recreation areas for millions to enjoy.”

Sir Clive Booth, Chair of the Big Lottery Fund, added “Today’s investment will help to ensure that communities get the most of what parks have to offer. Parks require a lot of maintenance and care and this funding will help to preserve these valuable green spaces and the environment for the future.”

The five parks receiving funding are:

Reason for cheer in Newcastle
Ouseburn Parks form a green corridor through the heart of Newcastle. The historic valley landscape, originally part of Lord Armstrong’s private estate, covers 68 hectares and contains three scheduled monuments and a staggering 18 listed buildings and structures.

The £4.5million grant will fund the conservation of the park’s landscape and repairs to paths and entrances. Key historic features, such as Quarry Garden, the Grotto and the bridges, will be sensitively restored whilst conservation will be carried out on historical ruins including St Mary’s Chapel and King John’s Palace. There will be new facilities such as a play area for children and a picnic area. Plans also include extending Millfield House to form a new education space and visitor centre, as well as improvements to ‘Pets Corner’, a popular free animal petting attraction.

West Brom’s finest
Dartmouth Park is an example of a traditional Victorian urban park, providing a unique link between the town centre of West Bromwich and nearby Sandwell Valley Country Park. It contains a range of floral displays, lake, a children’s play area and sweeping views of Sandwell Valley.

The £4.4million investment will regenerate the grounds and reveal the park’s authentic Victorian feel. Historic features such as the lakes, war memorial and avenue will be restored. New facilities are also planned for the site to make the park more appealing, including toilets and visitor centre.

150 years of history in Plymouth
Once military land, Devonport Park in Plymouth dates back to the 1850s, with strong links to the local maritime and military history. This green space is home to three listed buildings, a rare gun captured during the Boer War, a war memorial, an original park keeper's lodge, as well as other historic monuments and fountains.

A grant of £3.3million will fund a project which will improve facilities and provide a focus for community activities. The original landscape will be restored and the park’s play area and football pitches will be refurbished. A special area will be created to provide a focus for the Friends of Devonport Park's increasingly successful events’ programme.

Worcester remembers the fallen
Gheluvelt Park in Worcester opened in 1922 to commemorate the Battle of Gheluvelt in 1914 in which the Worcestershire Regiment helped save the Channel Ports from enemy occupation. It provides a vital green lung for thousands of people in the city of Worcester and includes beautiful heritage features such as an ornate bandstand which is currently in disrepair.

The £803,000 grant will allow the park to be returned to its original design, including the restoration of historic railings, provision of a new play and water area, enhancement of the gardens and telling the story of the famous battle.

Newark’s park with a story
Sconce and Devon Park is the largest area of public open space in the market town of Newark in Nottinghamshire. It contains a local nature reserve, children’s play facilities, sports pitches and heritage features such as the Queen’s Sconce, a large Civil War fortification made of earth and gravel, which was built by the Royalist defenders of Newark between 1644 and 1645. The Sconce is nationally significant as it is the best preserved example of a Civil War earthwork remaining in England.

Thanks to a grant of £1.13million, Sconce and Devon Park will be revitalised and new facilities will make it more welcoming. Once restored, the fascinating history of the Queen’s Sconce will be explained to visitors with the help of a special display area, podcasts and a family trail.

Notes to Editors:

*The ‘Parks for People’ programme has a two-stage application process. At Stage One, an organisation can apply for a development grant to contribute to the costs of developing the project for a Stage Two application. If a Stage One Pass is awarded, with or without development funding, it does not guarantee a full grant at Stage Two.
**The nine parks awarded a Stage One Pass with development funding are:
Bishops Park and Fulham Palace Grounds, London (£270,000)
Wallsend Parks, North Tyneside (£160,500)
Burslem Park, Stoke-on-Trent (£142,000)
Priory Park, Dudley (£110,000)
Middleton Park, Leeds (£101,000)
St James Park, Southampton (£64,500)
Dunwood Park, Oldham (£45,800)
Mesnes Park, Wigan (£12,000)
Hillworth Park, Wiltshire (£7,900)

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Not been in a park for years.Thought I'd keep it brief,Sorry
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I gave up reading and lost the will to live, the minute Hazel Blears name was mentioned:rolleyes:

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You got further than me,Must be your age.:D:D

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So why did you quote my entire post?

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It was easy - Just one click:D

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Or it could just be your age Beni:D:p