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Do you think that the win in Glenrothes endorses Labour's handling of the economy as claimed by Gordon...............Come on....:confused::confused:

Might make sense north of the border but not here surely?

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in a word YES.

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Yes, there may be arguements as to how we got in this mess but in another Forum a few weeks ago I said that I thought the tide was turning in Labours' favour.

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Most of the current polls show Labour gaining ground.

I think in these times of economic uncertainty people feel safer with the old Scottish miser at the helm, rather than the public school, Russian oligarch's holiday chum, whose only track record so far is of making gaffes.

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The only problem we have now I that this country is the most ill prepared of any country in the world to tackle the recession, that's not coming from the opposition but from the IMF. I think the Cameron is right when he said that Brown didn't bother to mend roof when the sun was shinning. This country has now more debt than at any time in history, around £70,000 per household yet Brown is going to care on spending like there is no tomorrow, some may say its irresponsible, others say its down right reckless

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and others may say, thats cobblers n the only thing the opposition can do to fight back.:D:D:D:D:D

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I think Glenrothes was an almost entirely local issue. The campaign run by Labour was effective at steering anger towards the SNP council leader, who also happened to be the SNP candidate in the by-election.

Except for Hungary, Pakistan and Egypt we have the biggest debt in the industrialised world. We are the worst placed country to weather a recession. It is truly shocking.

The latest national polls out today have the Conservatives on 43%, Labour on 30% and the Lib Dems on 18%.

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Perhaps we should do as David Cameron did, to free ourselves of finacial worries, and marry a wealthy heiress.

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The trouble with Labour is they never change, the recipe for the Labour cake has always started, first borrow two eggs:rolleyes:

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Whereas a Conservative would get someone else to make the cake, and try to ignore the starving children watching them through the window as they greedily gobbled it down, as the snow fell on their emaciated bodies, and the chill wind froze their drooling slaver to their poor chapped lips.;)

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'Please Sir, since it is Yuletide, can I have water on my gruel today?'

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and in history he will go down as a pm who actually done something for the working class like saving them from getting their houses repossesed and on the economy it is a world recession how can you blame him for that? the thing is it will be the right ime to join the euro soon .the euro will be stronger than the pound soon so we will join the euro ,help stabilize our economy and rebuilding our manufacturing industry as it will be ripe for exporting and be competitive in europe .hopefully undo all the destruction that thatcher did to british industry and society...

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We may have large debts per person but you can prove anything with statistics what the "experts" always forget is as a nation many own (on mortgage) their own houses whilst throughout the rest of the World many rent. We may have to look back to the thirties and create real jobs with public spending, rail/road type capital spending.
However on a non political point is it time to look at the life/work balance? There's no point in earning £20,000 a year if your mortgage is £7,000 and the same with rent. We seem to be working longer and longer hours but for what?

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A Labour Government who couln't run a **** up in a brewery. :rolleyes:

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to line the pockets of the fat greedy shareholders..the bubble has burst it is now time to help the working people who have been lining their pockets for years.here comes the revolution .lets hope mr brown sees this and helps create an infrastructure for this country that has been lacking in years gone past.put the voter first,the shareholder last...:):)

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Simple economics....no shareholders...no funding...no business.

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less profit to make=steady jobs, that will give the young a hope for their future.whats the point of educating our young in college university etc when there is no jobs for them..most of them are emigrating.the day of companies floating themselves on the stockmarket to raise revenue are over.it all points to pure greed and it has backfired big time.....lets give the young a future not the abyss which is happening now .lets give them a work culture not a drug culture sitting in their house smoking cannabis all day scounging benefits,lets give them some pride back something to work to something to work for lets make britain great again for the majority not just the chosen few...

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The EU has decided that we are abusing our opt out of the 48 hr week rule
Working Time Directive
seems that nobody is being given the option to refuse to work more than 48hrs a week.
It is likely that the rule will be imposed as a result - which means no overtime, but this should mean more jobs.

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The only comment I have is that Labour did not win this seat ... just held it.

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Even the planet's fastest growing economy is worried about the worldwide recession, brought about by the greedy multi-national banks, and their selling of sub prime mortgages to people who really couldn't afford those American trailers.

Here the Chinese put their concerns into a moving song.


YouTube - Chinese small shareholders worry about economy


Watch it and weep.

(I have very reasonable tissues available for sale.)

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Which is more than the poor Tories did, who sadly lost their deposit.:rolleyes:

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The National Health Service has no share holders, but people fly in from all over the world to take advantage of the first class business service they provide.

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I feel we are a dented nation but all businesses run off debt. Of the G7 we are supposed to have the lowest debt and be in a good position. I think its difficult to tell and AndrewB and the lime going off on one at the deep end is a bit poor. There was too much red tape and AndrewB advocated not long ago to much state intervention. Cameron whom I liked until the yacht thing has made himself luck stupid. Saying he woud have save the economy whilst takingbdonations from these banks and hedgefund managers. Over the yacht thing rather than an honest explanation he sleazed his way pointing the finger at Mandelson. Not what he has been saying about cleaning up politics.

In the end a miserly scot with one eye on helping people is probably the right man for this crises. Posted via Mobile DeviceI

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Where regulation works well we need it, the banking sector is one of those places. There was definitely not enough of it in the banking sector. The Bank of England Act made sure of this by stripping down regulation. I think we could be in a better position now if we had kept effective regulation.

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The National Health Service is State Funded and appoints 'Officers' to run the service.
Don't see what this has to do with shareholders apart from all UK taxpayers being shareholders of a service they subscribe to.
I think that the NHS will be NHS Ltd.

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If the Labour party hadn't introduced the National Health Service there'd now only be private health companies, for those who could afford it, whose main concern would be profit, and the dividends paid to their shareholders.

Perhaps some would like to see a return to pre-1948 Britain, where profit came before care, and where people died because they couldn't afford to see a doctor.

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some still think that, n have NO SHAME about doing so.:( Simple Truth.

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Perhaps the Tories will bring back the Work House, privatised of course.:rolleyes:

They could probably get them to turn turbines, when not breaking stones, which would help with the energy crisis.

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Drink drivers, those who attack innocent people in the streets, and murderers...........they could all use a day picking oakum in the workhouse. ;)

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If I was allowed to say Bollocks I would do.

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See, the idea's growing.;)

If and when the Tories bring back the Work Houses there are all sorts of people who could benefit.

Scrap Child Benefit. Many more savings can be achieved buying chicken nuggets etc. in vast quantities direct from the producer.

Poor pensioners will benefit from being huddled together, and will thus stay warmer, and save on heating bills.

Everytime a crime has been committed the police will not waste any precious time, but will be able to go directly to the Work House, as we all know it's only the disadvantaged in society who commit crime, and never those in power.

Plus, being privately owned we'll have a willing and cheap (free) workforce, for all that stone breaking etc., thus ensuring maximum profits.

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That's one of your most moving, and well thought out posts.

The political thinking behind it verges on the intellectual genius.

You should write a book.

(One of those teeny tiny ones, like the Bronte's did, and which are exhibited at Howarth Parsonage.)

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Good God...The man's flipped.

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Thankfully I don't drink, so my posts make perfect sense to those with even the smallest intellect, or sense of humour.;)

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I do so relish a good political debate.

Such a pity that you don't have the capabilities to join us in this.

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Can't be arsed when your involved :)

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Which is just as well, considering your capabilities to debate a point without the need to use offensive laguage on our family site.

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Nice one....your followers will be pleased at that one.
A lot of people on this site don't know me and my capabilities of debating a point may not come across because they think Garinda is the be all and end all of debating on this site through his wicked wit.
I beg to differ, if I am allowed.
Offensive language in this case is a rebuff, not to the members of this site, but to you.

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Lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Followers?

List them all, and I will tell you what we've argued opposing views on, and in what threads.

Sadly I may be a Messiah in your head. Whereas in reality I'm just a very naughty boy.

A film quote by the way.....oh nevermind, it's becoming too tiresome explaining every little comic reference.

You'd be better off going back to play with Lancsdave. Besides the age difference, it would never really work between us, one of us having a thick skin and a sense of humour, and the other not.

As for you taking offence at my mention of the word 'nurse' in 2028, you've lost me completely. It was a joke about age, not your wife. A wife we wouldn't even know existed until you mentioned her in a thread you started about bank charges.

As with military 'Garinda tactics', not only do you supply the ammunition used against you, you detonate it too.

Like I said, it's too tiresome, and too boring for everyone else, to keep explaining every little point, which is crystal clear to all those above the age of seven.

Oh I forget you like Jeremy Clarkson for 'telling it like it is'. Just pretend I'm him, but with better hair, more suitable clothes, and a more accute wit.

:D

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If by 'followers' you mean that sometimes people agree with me on here, and no one seems to take up your banal little digs at the Prime Minister etc., that's really not my fault.;)

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Would you mind rephrasing that, people will think we are mates:D

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How many 'followers' do I have?

I've been up early making them fetching robes, but need to know numbers and sizes.

If you could list them Royboy it would be a great help.

Thanks.:)

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How can anyone possibly support a prime minister who:

Has a seat in another country with it's own parliament.

Was not elected by the people of this country and got the job because of a promise in a restaurant.

Brought Mandelson back into the government after he had to leave - twice -because of dodgy dealings.

Will not allow a vote on the European Contstitution/Treaty

We're supposed to be a democracy and right now we are not.

That is something to be really angry about and it transcends party politics.

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Wasn't John Major unelected, when the Tories ousted Thatcher, and he became Prime Minister?:rolleyes:

Wonder how he found time to do that, what with having it off with Eggwina Currie at the same time.

Happy, highly moral, days.:rolleyes:

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Could I make this official, I am not one of Rind's "followers" I just think he's a nice chap:D

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We have your photo up on the wall as a role model for the kids, I was always told if you don't aim high you can never be dissapointed, so I'm passing the same advice on :p

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Damn, and I've made you a beautiful robe, the sort of thing John Galliano would dress the Dali Lama in.

Judas.

:D

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Yes you are quite right and that should not have been allowed then either. He was a terrible Prime Minister
By the nature of your response it would appear that you presume that I am a Tory. One should never make an opinion based on a mere presumption. I am merely a believer in democracy. Your response is more like that of a politician at the despatch box who, when confronted with an uncomfortable fact, responds with the playground chant of "Well you did it too"

Do you believe in the peoples right to decide who should represent them? If your answer is yes (which it should be!) Will you not then agree that when a Prime Minister steps down that the country should vote to decide who will next represent them and that elections should not just be called only when it suits the government?

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I never presume anything, ever.;)

It was no secret at the last General Election that Brown was going to take over mid term.

I've made numerous posts about my dislike for Brown, 'presumably' you haven't seen them.

Personally I vote for who I think will be the best M.P. for Hyndburn, and at the last election it was Greg Pope.

By the way, my responses are nothing like that of a politican.

I'm non-partisan, and follow no party line. Therefore I'm able to say whatever I think is right.;)

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Perhaps we watched different speeches, but Blair said he had every intention of staying for a full term. I guess he didn't take the back, or front, stabbing into account. ;)

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You still didn't answer my question. Do you not agree that there should be a general election when a P.M. stands down?

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Presumably you haven't noticed that I only joined today and have not had a chance to read all of your posts. I will try of course, all the better to understand where you are coming from.

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Er...yes. I've said so before.

Also when a M.P. decides to cross the floor, after being elected under a different party banner.

Costly, but that's democracy.

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We've had this discussion before.;)

I distictly remember posting a link from the press, published before the last election, where Blair said he'd stand aside for Brown mid-term.

I'm not going to search for it, as I've just spent ten minutes searching through incontinence.:D

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Well I'm no friend of Brown or any of his ilk, but there is nothing which states that a general election should be called if the PM stands down. it has happened a few times notably When Wilson stood down in the seventies, Thatcher in the nineties and now Blair, but if Brown had been forced out a few months ago, it would have been right in my eyes to hold an election, replacing two leaders in the same Parliament would have been one two far

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We agree again.:eek::D

It might not seem right, but there is nothing in the statute books that mean it's breaking any rules at all.

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I was referring to all criminals. I never said that it's only the disadvantaged who commit crime.

I want to be clear though that I was only joking. I would not like to see the return of the workhouse. I know what went on in there and it aint pretty. :(

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I know you didn't mean that at all.

It's very clear, and I was just being sarcastic.

I'm very happy the poor aren't shut away in Victorian gloom.

A gloom some older members will recall their grandparents talking about.

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Thats not like you :rolleyes:

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It isn't.

I've found all this talk of free speech very inspiring.

:D

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Since when has anything had to inspire you to say out Rindi:D

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I also think that if a councillor decides to cross the floor, after being elected under a different party banner, they should stand for re-election.

Meccy, Iappreciate that you are a new member of the site, and would like to welcome you, but could you please expalin why you think this country is not democratic. I have searched for a definition of the word democracy and have found this (Democracy is a form of government in which the supreme power is held completely by the people under a free electoral system). Here in the UK, anyone over the age of 18 (who register to vote) can exercise their right to vote for an MP, and the political part with the largest majority forms the government. Do you feel that there is a better way to determine how the national government (and all other local government) is chosen. Also here in the UK the counting of votes is done in front of representatives of all the political paries who have participated in the election, which I consider very important it the democratic process.

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Claytonender,

My issues are the following:

The prime minister sits in a constituency in another country with it's own parliament.

He is not elected. There should have been a general election when Blair quit.

We have laws/directives passed by the EU who are not fit to run a bath.

We have not been given the chance to vote on the EU constitution/Lisbon treaty.

This country does fit the dictionary definition of a democracy, the letter of the definition but the government uses every loophole and every trick in the book to ride rough-shod over the wishes and desires of the people.

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That isn't breaking any legal laws or rules though, and has happened many times before, as in the example of Thatcher being ousted by her party in favour of Major.

Not really that much of an issue for me, as stated earlier. I vote for who I think will be the best M.P. for the constituency.

For all we know Cameron/Osborn may have a similar pact after the next election, with Osborn taking over as leader...of the oppposition.