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I shouldn't need to mention it but whilst people are squabbling over NHS drugs and access to ambulances a much greater flaw in the system which echoes the terrible story of Victoria Climbie should be brought to your attention. I'll let you read for yourselves and comment because I am simply lost for words at how the law can be made so adequate to deal with child abuse since various landmark trials and yet social services and various other health authorities are still failing children as we speak.

After 17 months of unimaginable cruelty, Baby P finally succumbed - Times Online

This led to an argument in House of Commons in which I think personally saw a side of Gordon Brown which lacked empathy and was more interested in protecting his party rather than seeking justice for such a young lost life.

YouTube - PMQs 12th November 2008

I've read cases of child abuse before, they aren't shocking for me to read anymore as I've had to read allsorts of horrible cases as a law student, but the shock is that it was just handled so badly and that child was repeatedly sent back into that household after repeated visits to the doctors and even after people had expressed their concerns.

I am just lost for words really. I find it most sad that that kind of treatment would have been normal to that child and love and affection would have been so alien to it. How anyone can do anything so cruel day after day and feel no remorse at all is just beyond me.

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Might have overlooked this but cant find it on here
How on earth can this sort of thing keep happening to children, I was appaulled to hear on the news justt what this poor poor child went through
BBC NEWS | England | London | Baby death sparks Haringey review

Baby death sparks Haringey review

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Every case of child abuse shocks me, Blazey. This one made me cry with anger, and sorrow for that poor little boy, when I heard about it. Everyone let him down, especially Social Services, and he knew nothing but pain and misery in his very brief little life.

Those swines broke the baby's back and it's a crime that screams to Heaven for vengeance and justice. If it were in my power I'd have the same done to them but all that will happen is a few years in prison for the perpetrators and a bit of tut-tutting for the Social Services. Is that how much we value a little child's life?

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turned me stomach will never understand, also sickening was how "Cameron" tried to make political capital out of it in Parliment.:mad:

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I’m surprised that it has taken this long for a thread to be started about this horrific case of child abuse. More outrage was shown about the bloke getting sent down at Accy Magistrates for staging or taking part in dog fighting. A sickening case in itself but no comparison to the abuse this 17month old infant endured.

I watched PM Questions at noon today, Brown looked the worst of a bad bunch.

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Once again the Social Services are about as much use as a chocolate fire guard. But think the doctors have got to share the blame for not picking up om the childs injuries:mad:

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Death doesn't bring justice. I think that people should focus on the child's spirit itself rather than what happened to him. How amazing that he still tried to smile through that treatment. That child probably wasn't old enough to understand the concept of hope or the possibility things could get better, yet still smiled when they could. That child was so pure that I couldn't ever believe it would wish something as adultly as death upon someone. I imagine all it would hope is that rather than focusing on the monster behind bars we took action to ensure we provide safety and love for all the other children currently being abused by people in the world, especially the ones right under our noses.

I don't find these cases make me angry, I just find I feel very helpless and unfortunately for me, killing the person that commit those crimes would not make me feel any better. If anything I'd only feel worse.

But that isn't really the debate and I think people should keep the anger to themselves and leave messages of love for the child instead.

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Cashy I'm sorry but this subject needed a debate and what better place to debate it.
This interjection brought an immediate response from Ed Balls.
Can that be wrong?

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agree no comparison, end of the day though its a local forum n local news normally takes precedence. right or wrong thats life.;)

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What gets me is that when a child is on an at risk list surely regular visits should be made and bodily inspections etc. Going of the last photofit of that little lad and the evidence from the young girl who was staying there(who incidently didnt say anything until it was to late) the abuse could have been spotted sooner had the child been looked at.:mad:

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Cherokee I made a lovely long thread about it, but perhaps we could keep angry comments here and nice ones to my thread so that we can leave nice messages for the child that aren't riddled with anger and mention of the monsters that did that to him?

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People who do things like this aren't normal people.....they can't be. :mad:

Disgusting.

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According to what I heard the child was being visited twice a week. The bruises were being hidden with chocolate. Social Services and the doctors must surely take equal responsibility for this tragedy!!!

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R.I.P. little baby boy, I hope you can sleep peacefully now with the angels. No harm will come to you any more.

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Blazey it seems we both decided to do a thread round about the same time so I obviously missed yours. more than happy to have them combined after all the content in both leads to the same

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Well no actually it doesnt, one will lead to people saying kill the people that did it and if they are both combined the actual death of the child will end up being over shadowed with the fact that it's so-called parents should now be killed in an attempt to make it better.

I think people should leave nice messages on one about the baby itself and then this one can be open to the animalistic views that are undoubtedly going to follow.

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Oh I wouldn't kill them, that's far too good for them. I would like to see them suffer the way that child did. And no, I won't keep my anger "to myself". We should shout it from the rooftops in the hope that some of the idiots we pay to keep at-risk children safe may hear and take heed.

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I heard on the radio today the appalling abuse suffered by this poor child. It makes you sick to the stomach to think of the horror it went through, at the hands of those who were meant to care and love it. If rescue wasn't going to be an option at least death brought an end to it's terrible suffering.:mad:

What's equally worrying is that it happened in Haringey, the borough which saw the death of Victoria Climbié, the child killed by her guardians because she was branded a witch by a pastor. It sadly appears that lessons about child protection haven't been learned, especially in Haringey.

Tonight's Dispatches on Channel 4 was equally horrific. Thousands of children in Nigeria are killed and tortured by their families, after being branded as witchs and wizards. The images made you weep.

Here in the U.K. the Met suspect that there have been 60 similar cases of child torture in this country in the last two years alone.:mad:

Channel 4 - News - Dispatches - Saving Africa's Witch Children

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I think the child probably witnessed more than enough anger and pain without it's memory being focused on the same emotions as well.

There is another thread though that I am sure you can fill with the anger you want to express. I work with children and yet I still can't bring myself to get angry about these things, even having a young brother and sister doesn't do it for me. My heart just feels overwhelmed with the love that these children need and miss out on.


It is Children in Need on friday, I hope everyone contributes in someway so that charities are able to provide for children in all the various good ways they generally help in. I'm at Uni so I'll be selling cakes to students and fundraising throughout the day and I'm sure there are many things happening at home that everyone can get involved in.

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YouTube - PMQs 12th November 2008

Very important questions were asked. Brown was completely out of line to suggest Cameron was trying to make political capital out of it.

As for what happened, I think it is absolutely shocking. I also think its shocking that nobody has taken responsibility and been sacked or resigned yet.

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And who is this down to? you, me or the ones who have been trusted with the running of our country for the last eleven years?
If the Met officers tell it how it is they get sacked or are asked to step down.
As the song say's 'What a wonderful World'

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The first people who must answer why this terrible death was allowed to happen, again, are the Social Service team at Haringey Council.:mad:

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In the news, a comment was made about the fact that the mother and boyfriend hardly had a braincell between them, the failing in my opinion was twofold, they didnt see what was happening, and seemingly didnt give enough support of a 'how to look after the child' to the people responsible in the early days of this poor babies life, I also have reservations about how understaffed and overworked the social services are, I know that caseloads are massive, and the person responsible for keeping an eye on things is changed on a regular basis, ie, the same social worker rarely sees a case through to the end, so I wondered just how many social workers this family have had in the time leading up to the death of the baby.
Then, you have Brown and Cameron screaming at each other, and trying to score points against each other and thier parties! That is disgusting, surely the person in charge of ss has a tory shadow? So there should have been no argument, or debate, just a decision arrived at between the two about how to go forward and be as sure as possible that this will never happen again, of course this will cost money, which neither party will spend.

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While some poor children are tragically slipping through the net of Social Services, others are being denied a safe and loving home with their families.

Something is very wrong, and the whole system that's meant to protect children needs a massive overhaul.

Couple trying to save grandchildren from council care banned from seeing them... after speaking to MoS | Mail Online

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I was devastated when I saw this in the paper... that poor little boy:(
What he went through was shocking

What made me upset too was the fact the paper put pictures of all other people involved in this awful act, ie the "lodger", doctor, social worker and a few others, but then left out the main culprits!!! His guardians
If they can name and shame all the others then these too should be named and shamed
Instead no doubt they will get a new identification and witness protection when they get out in about 6 years:(

RIP baby boy, ya'll be a lot better off now x

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I think the thing that annoyed me more than anything about this case was the interview with some smug bastard from Haringey Council, she actually said that no one would lose their jobs, but some people had been given written warnings, and of course the obligatory, lessons must be learned. To me she should have been the first one scanning the none jobs column of the Guardian. The fact of the matter is that councils like Haringey are more concerned with the rights of the parents, because they don' want to have to answer to some smart arsed civil rights lawyer fighting the corner for the feckless parents. Who on earth can let that child stay in the house after 60 home visits and the poor little chap being placed on the "At Risk" register is quite beyond me. These two animals, no sorry animals would never treat their young like this, should never see the light of day again and whilst they are behind bars get some same treatment dished out to them by other inmates, just like the inflicted on that poor little lad

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just tell them not to do it again cos its naughty and then send the bloody excuse for parents on a free holiday or something nice,,,
HOPE THEY ROT IN HELL..AND THE DO GOODERS AS WELL

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Amazingly enough, the female creature in this case has since given birth to a baby girl. She has no access to the baby at the moment and I would sincerely hope that she never has, but who knows, now that the lunatics have taken over the asylum? It seems to me that all three should be compulsorily sterilised, but I'm sure that the politicians and the "experts" who currently misrule us would start bleating about "human rights". :rolleyes:

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It said today on Radio 2 that she is also currently pregnant.:mad:

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I was going to say I wonder how long before she has another.

What should happen now?
Should that child be taken off her?
Should she be allowed to have any others?
The dog fighting bloke in Accy has been banned from ever owning dogs again, should she be banned from ever looking after children?

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She's also taking legal action to gain access to her new baby. Now, I wonder who's funding it?... :rolleyes:

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To be quite honest Rindi, I think what should happen to both of these are the same as I said should happen in the Sheron Matthews thread, only in this case do it without anasthetic. But as we all know we have to take into account these peoples uman rites (I misted the H of purposely)

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Probably Harringey Social services given their track record :eek:

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Just read In the paper this morning that this piece of trash has been bragging in jail that she'll be home by Christmas with the baby she had in the nick. As far as I'm concerned she should never see Christmas outside prison walls again, but I'm not holding my breath

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first pictures of baby P
Baby P: First Pictures Of 17-Month-Old Baby Killed In Haringey Are Shown | UK News | Sky News

how can anyone hurt such a beautiful little boy??:(:mad:

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That makes it even sadder for me havin now seen his face:(

Poor little boy

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Seems that photos of this woman, her boyfriend and the lodger, better known as murdering scumbags, were posted on My Space and Face Book, but have been removed, why. People like this should not be allowed to hide behind the anonymity rules, that statement "they can't be named for legal reasons" stinks:mad:

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I keep wondering why these scum bags are allowed to remain anonymous.

After all it's not to protect the little boy.

No protection was afforded him when he was alive, so it all seems odd now.


Facebook vigilantes identify mother of Baby P - Home News, UK - The Independent

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Isn't it good, how they came name this Jason Owen, who ALSO got convicted of offences to do with the child

But can't name the main culprits, I have said this in ather post on here, and it isn't fair


Why name one and not all?

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This happens all to often, withholding names of people like this yet, in some cases like i.e. rape cases the man is named before the trial whether guilty or not, by all means name them after and give them the stick they deserve, but by naming them before, even though they are innocent, mud sticks, yet the woman still gets anonymity. This is why British law stinks and is totally out of date, the punishment never fits the crime and the innocent always come of worse, its time for a rethink and laws that are more in keeping with the 21st century not the 18th:mad: