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Less	13-11-2008 15:50

Every Year It's The Same.

Here we are again, at the climax of Children in need, it's Friday, Sir Terence will yet again be encouraging people to make complete fools of themselves all in the aid of Charity.

Now hang on, before you start sharpening your axes in preparation to cut me down to size, let me first of all state, I am all for helping children.

However this year will be the same as last year and all the years back to the beginning of this farce.

spoken with that cheeky little lilt of his Sir Terry will be cajoling us all to beat the amount we donated last year, get out your credit cards and pay until it hurts, lets make this a great amount that we need.

Why do we need it? Children are still starving in Africa, children are still dying of neglect here, it's not more money we need,

It's, more compassion, more care, more love.

Yes I do agree, let's make this a record breaking year for 'Children In Need', let's all actually give a damn!

jaysay

13-11-2008 16:03

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 650397)

Think that says it all Less, karma on its way

Retlaw

13-11-2008 21:44

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I agree with whats been said about helping the children,
but how much of the money collected, actually gets to them,
what with all the bribes and backhanders, tyrants loading their
pockets, bigshots administering the funds, armed insurgents
creating road blocks, and looting supplies, etc etc.

Retlaw.

West Ender

13-11-2008 21:56

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I can't feel quite the same about it since I learned that Mr Wogan gets paid for his charity stint.

cashman

13-11-2008 21:59

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Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 650529)

I can't feel quite the same about it since I learned that Mr Wogan gets paid for his charity stint.

me too, it rubs the wrong way when so-called stars are appealing n scooping out of it.

lindsay ormerod

13-11-2008 22:16

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Done a bit tonight with the quiz at cricket club , raised £150, Boots does loads too, it's a good cause.:)

Neil	13-11-2008 22:18

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Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 650529)

I can't feel quite the same about it since I learned that Mr Wogan gets paid for his charity stint.

Here is a link about it

One thing in that article annoys me - in 2005 he was paid £800,000 for his Radio 2 program. How can that be good value for money?

cashman

13-11-2008 22:21

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well it does say in the past he has donated things fer auction fer em,......like his tie.:rolleyes:

Benipete

13-11-2008 22:34

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 650531)

me too, it rubs the wrong way when so-called stars are appealing n scooping out of it.

Well that's two of us then,It also annoys me when millionaires use these events as a huge publicity stunt to swell their own album sales.
You can throw as much money as you like at Africa but it will not make one bit of difference.
History tells us that,Until they stop killing themselves there will be no end to the suffering.

Rant over.:hidewall::hidewall:

garinda

13-11-2008 23:52

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Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 650529)

I can't feel quite the same about it since I learned that Mr Wogan gets paid for his charity stint.

I totally agree, though I believe he doesn't charge them now the £9,065.00 fee that he's taken since 1980, but only after the matter became public, and the public outrage that ensued.

jaysay

14-11-2008 10:16

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 650549)

I totally agree, though I believe he doesn't charge them now the £9,065.00 fee that he's taken since 1980, but only after the matter became public, and the public outrage that ensued.

Think I must have been asleep cuz I didn't know he got paid. Good job my old man ain't still around, he'd be frothing, he just couldn't stand Wogan one little bit

Tealeaf

14-11-2008 10:23

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All BBC employees appearing in this event get paid. It is part of their contract.

garinda

14-11-2008 10:41

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 650624)

All BBC employees appearing in this event get paid. It is part of their contract.

Not according to the press, after the details were obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

His co-hosts, Natasha Kaplinsky, Eamonn Holmes and Fearne Cotton etc., are, or have been employed by the B.B.C., and did the event for free.

Wogan is the only celeb paid for Children In Need | Mail Online

Tealeaf

14-11-2008 10:46

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 650636)

I would suggest that you look a little more closely at the figure of £1.2m (quoted in the article above) which it costs to stage this garbage.

garinda

14-11-2008 10:56

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 650638)

I would suggest that you look a little more closely at the figure of £1.2m (quoted in the article above) which it costs to stage this garbage.

...and I would suggest you note the direct quote from the B.B.C., given in the form of a letter, after being forced to by the Information Commission, that says, and I quote, 'No other B.B.C. presenters or personalities were paid.';)

garinda

14-11-2008 10:57

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...then I suggest you admit you were wrong.;):D

Tealeaf

14-11-2008 11:03

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Garinda, please give us a breakdown of the the £1.2million. The BBC is an organisation that cannot even be trusted with allowing children to name a pet on it's flagship kiddies programme. Do you really think for one moment that payments are not being made to these celebrity employees? Get out of Ossy and into the real world.

AccyLass

14-11-2008 11:10

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If they see they need paying for a fund raising event like this, then they are not they type of person that should be hosting something like Children In Need

garinda

14-11-2008 11:17

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 650624)

All BBC employees appearing in this event get paid. It is part of their contract.

No they don't, as the B.B.C. stated in their letter. Fact.

The employees who don't 'appear' in the show, such as producers, researchers, electricans, wardrobe assistants, etc. etc., will be paid.

For seven hours of television it may be the case that the production costs are actually less than that of a normal Friday's television.

After all Jonathon Ross gets paid £6 million per year, which when costed out per hour, which is Friday night show was, and taking into account his other B.B.C. shows, works out very costly. Plus there's the fees for his Four Puffs, hospitality and fees for his guests, and there's still another six hours to account for.

Children in Need might actually be a cheap night for the Beeb. It certainly looks cheap.:D

garinda

14-11-2008 11:22

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 650647)

Get out of Ossy and into the real world.

I've been to Church, and the dodgy bits of the East End.

The realism was just too much to bear.

Gayle

14-11-2008 12:05

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Take a look on Children in Need website.

To summarise
Every penny raised goes towards helping disadvantaged children. They invest money and that income is used for operating costs. Last year they raised £37m.

BBC - Children in Need - About Us - Who You've Helped

jambutty

14-11-2008 17:27

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Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 650529)

I can't feel quite the same about it since I learned that Mr Wogan gets paid for his charity stint.

When that was revealed the other year it was an eye opener for me and my opinion of him plummeted.

Which raises the question just how much did Geldof contribute in cash out of his own pocket? And all the stars making those records. How much cash did they give? Oh! I know! They gave their time and voices – so that’s alright then. And Lenny Henry and all the others encouraging us to buy red noses? What was their cash contribution?

Prince Charles is patron of a number of charities but just how much of his own cash does he contribute?

The point that I am making is that it is all very well these celebrities encouraging the general public to give, give and give but they too should be seen to be giving cash not just their time.

emamum

14-11-2008 17:30

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I think the idea is that their time costs money but they dont charge for it.......

Its like an orchestra/choir playing outside a supermarket to collect money for charity at christmas...

jambutty

14-11-2008 17:41

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Originally Posted by emamum (Post 650725)

I think the idea is that their time costs money but they dont charge for it.......

Its like an orchestra/choir playing outside a supermarket to collect money for charity at christmas...

For me fund raisers should lead by example even if they are giving their time and expertise for free.

A starving child in Africa cannot use this time and expertise to buy some food.

emamum

14-11-2008 17:43

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People are more likely to give money to the charity when prompted to by their favourite celeb

If you went in tv and asked people to donate money to africa i doubt anyone would bother, its different when its someone famous.... you also get something such as a song/show from the celebs as well..

stevie96

14-11-2008 18:38

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 650397)

your right we need more compassion,lets not just satisfy our consience by giving money, but keep alert to what going on in our own comunity and like you say compasion ,care ,love

katex

14-11-2008 19:26

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Originally Posted by stevie96 (Post 650743)

your right we need more compassion,lets not just satisfy our consience by giving money, but keep alert to what going on in our own comunity and like you say compasion ,care ,love

All very admirable, and I am very optimistic that there is still loads and loads of this in the U.K., but funds are still required for specialist equipment, teaching, treatment for our children in the U.K. that are suffering. I don't care a tuppenny whether the celebs do it for their own kudos or not ... sure they have genuine compassion too, as long as it brings that money in to help so what !!

jaysay

15-11-2008 10:43

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As some one who has worked for both local and national charities, I have to say the local charities are more fulfilling. I got more pleasure as secretary of the Ossy Youth Support Group in the late 80s early 90s than acting as secretary for the Hyndburn branch of The National Asthma Campaign (now Asthma UK) The local charity was about raising money and awareness for young people, something that actually cost all the members money out of their own pockets. The NAC being a national charity had rules and regs, with nearly all money raised having to go to the London head office. The fact the officers in London were on salaries to run the charity didn't really sit well with me, I would have much rather local people benefit from the money we raised.

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