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magpie 02-12-2008 11:25
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 656673)
That maybe better than a broken own eyesore magpie
True but there are so many good uses for it.... but don't think they will do anything with it now:

katex 02-12-2008 16:41
Re: Drug and Alcohol Dendency Unit on Avenue Parade
 
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Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 656641)
At the meeting in Scaitcliffe House, the Doctor who was joint chair of the meeting asked the Residents if they would like to see the building left as it is now, derelict, or turned into a smart, modern resource facility!! Rather suggesting it was..either..or!! No other suggestions as to its future use have so far been put forward by the PCT, despite them being asked what other options they had been or could be considering.

I rather feel you qualify more for the Gold Award than I!!!

Best Regards - Taggy
Oh well, never had a Gold Award before ... :D

Just you made it sound that the PCT were going to behave in a churlish manner and punish the residents for daring to object, which is probably far from the truth.

I am pleased for you that your campaign worked. I do feel a unit such as this is required locally however, and hope they can sort out premises.

I have quite a lot of sympathy for drug addicts and alcoholics myself, as teenagers are persuaded into all types of addictions when young and vulnerable. How many of us do not carry alcohol in the house ?

Feel sure, the PCT will now take another look at this building for a much needed requirement that is missing in Accrington, and for which they can obtain funding ... this building was the obvious one.

cashman 02-12-2008 18:20
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 656760)

I have quite a lot of sympathy for drug addicts and alcoholics myself, as teenagers are persuaded into all types of addictions when young and vulnerable. How many of us do not carry alcohol in the house ?

Feel sure, the PCT will now take another look at this building for a much needed requirement that is missing in Accrington, and for which they can obtain funding ... this building was the obvious one.
disagree it was the obvious one, i think more obvious is the one set back on nuttall street, which at the moment is used fer counselling and the like, move that facilty to peel house n put the re-hab there. less housing, near police station, also not a main walkway to junior schools.:)

katex 02-12-2008 20:31
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 656778)
disagree it was the obvious one, i think more obvious is the one set back on nuttall street, which at the moment is used fer counselling and the like, move that facilty to peel house n put the re-hab there. less housing, near police station, also not a main walkway to junior schools.:)
When I say obvious one Cashy, I meant most financially viable (you always complaining about various bodies wasting our tax money !)... presume the PCT owned the Peel House premises already ?

Don't know the one on Nuttall Street, but will go and take a look. What do you mean by counselling ? There are still residents around this area, and hope that Taggy will support the cause to not have it here if it ever came about that nearby residents would object. Who owns this building anyway ?

You can't just pinpoint a building and say best there, as owned by other vendors and not easy to purchase (suggestion of the Fire Station was absolutely ridiculous, as already planning permission submitted !).

Can't see that any children would be passing the Peel House to get to school anyway .. all primary schools the nearest .. Peel Park, St. John's .. nowhere near. Lots more would be walking along Nuttall Street of the more vulnerable age of teenage years.

I am not in anyway criticising the Avenue Parade residents for objecting to this unit in their tree lined street at all. You do what you feel is correct for yourself and fellow neighbours.

I would not object at all if the unit was next to my house ... would probably offer to help in some way .. and, believe me, I am no Saint.

cashman 02-12-2008 20:45
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 656803)
When I say obvious one Cashy, I meant most financially viable (you always complaining about various bodies wasting our tax money !)... presume the PCT owned the Peel House premises already ?

Don't know the one on Nuttall Street, but will go and take a look. What do you mean by counselling ? There are still residents around this area, and hope that Taggy will support the cause to not have it here if it ever came about that nearby residents would object. Who owns this building anyway ?

You can't just pinpoint a building and say best there, as owned by other vendors and not easy to purchase (suggestion of the Fire Station was absolutely ridiculous, as already planning permission submitted !).

Can't see that any children would be passing the Peel House to get to school anyway .. all primary schools the nearest .. Peel Park, St. John's .. nowhere near. Lots more would be walking along Nuttall Street of the more vulnerable age of teenage years.

I am not in anyway criticising the Avenue Parade residents for objecting to this unit in their tree lined street at all. You do what you feel is correct for yourself and fellow neighbours.

I would not object at all if the unit was next to my house ... would probably offer to help in some way .. and, believe me, I am no Saint.
well you have obviously never been around avenue parade at morning if you do not think many children are passing,:rolleyes: i have many many times, why can i not pinpoint a building? you certainly seem to be.:p

andrewb 02-12-2008 21:36
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Well the latest development is a motion was put to council by Graham Jones seconded by I think Clare Pritchard (but don't quote me on this). This motion was put to council and spoke on by the proposer for about 5 minutes, who then withdrew it as the PCT have already said they will not be using Peel.

Council members wanted to have chance to debate it so voted against withdrawing the motion. An amendment was then put in by Peter Britcliffe which was something to the effect of 'We will have no further discussions with the PCT until they come back with a location that does not adversely affect residents'

This amendment and the resulting motion was then voted on by the whole of council.

cashman 02-12-2008 21:41
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 656831)
Well the latest development is a motion was put to council by Graham Jones seconded by I think Clare Pritchard (but don't quote me on this). This motion was put to council and spoke on by the proposer for about 5 minutes, who then withdrew it as the PCT have already said they will not be using Peel.

Council members wanted to have chance to debate it so voted against withdrawing the motion. An amendment was then put in by Peter Britcliffe which was something to the effect of 'We will have no further discussions with the PCT until they come back with a location that does not adversely affect residents'

This amendment and the resulting motion was then voted on by the whole of council.
that seems rather stupid to me, discussion is whats needed, seems a case of passing the buck.

andrewb 02-12-2008 21:56
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I think the argument they subscribed to was 'If you don't want it next to you, you can't put it next to someone else' Therefore the PCT would have to find somewhere that didn't affect residents.

cashman 02-12-2008 22:16
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 656838)
I think the argument they subscribed to was 'If you don't want it next to you, you can't put it next to someone else' Therefore the PCT would have to find somewhere that didn't affect residents.
thats all well n good but i was taught, both parties need to discuss with "Each Other" to reach a sensible descision.

Benipete 02-12-2008 22:16
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 656838)
I think the argument they subscribed to was 'If you don't want it next to you, you can't put it next to someone else' Therefore the PCT would have to find somewhere that didn't affect residents.
Well that has narrowed it down a bit and re-opened this thread to a load more silly comments.
I'm with the majority.Include me out.:hidewall:

Bagpuss 02-12-2008 22:30
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 656803)
I am not in anyway criticising the Avenue Parade residents for objecting to this unit in their tree lined street at all. You do what you feel is correct for yourself and fellow neighbours.

I would not object at all if the unit was next to my house ... would probably offer to help in some way .. and, believe me, I am no Saint.
Your comments come across as sounding rather bitter as if you work for the PCT, I don't live on "the tree lined street" but I opposed the plan not because I felt it was the correct thing but because IT WAS the correct thing.

Taggy 03-12-2008 17:42
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Aye...tree lined street...with accompanying dog muck, thanks to some inconsiderate dog owners, who think its acceptable for their pets to empty their bowels on the grass verges. But thats another rant!....Obviously, i too dont think Avenue Parade was the Obvious place. It was only Obviously the correct place to the PCT, who did'nt attempt to consider the problems of placing this unit in a built up residential area. Its took a protest to change their minds, and awaken the Council. The PCT had a "we know best" attitude. And as we've come to see with the incompetant rearranging of services at Burnley General, Royal Blackburn and Pendle Community Hospitals, the PCT DONT always know best. Its all well and good having sympathy for Alcohol/Drug addicts, but the needs and wellbeing of all the community have to be given priority. Why is it always minorities that dicate the agenda these days? The PCT have a duty of care to all of us, particularily those who will be directly affected by their services. Its obvious that the PCT must have earmarked Avenue Parade long ago...whilst they were still designing the costly new health centres, encouraging the Doctors who were in Peel House to move there. Interesting that not many other Doctors have taken up the offers!! I still think the best place for it would be the PALS centre, of the ones that have so far been mentioned. But again thats just my personal opinion. As far as the unit at the corner of Nuttall Street/Wellington Street is concerned, i think that this building is already owned by the PCT, it offers Counselling/Mental Health Services. If we were comparing it directly with Avenue Parade, again I would still say this is more suitable, as its not as residential as Avenue Parade, is more set back, and could perhaps have the scope to be shielded further by Trees/Hedging etc. But if that place was proposed, and if the residents there strongly objected, i would be happy to support their objections, and sign any petition which was organised.

Best Regards - Taggy

jaysay 04-12-2008 10:02
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Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 657022)
Aye...tree lined street...with accompanying dog muck, thanks to some inconsiderate dog owners, who think its acceptable for their pets to empty their bowels on the grass verges. But thats another rant!....Obviously, i too dont think Avenue Parade was the Obvious place. It was only Obviously the correct place to the PCT, who did'nt attempt to consider the problems of placing this unit in a built up residential area. Its took a protest to change their minds, and awaken the Council. The PCT had a "we know best" attitude. And as we've come to see with the incompetant rearranging of services at Burnley General, Royal Blackburn and Pendle Community Hospitals, the PCT DONT always know best. Its all well and good having sympathy for Alcohol/Drug addicts, but the needs and wellbeing of all the community have to be given priority. Why is it always minorities that dicate the agenda these days? The PCT have a duty of care to all of us, particularily those who will be directly affected by their services. Its obvious that the PCT must have earmarked Avenue Parade long ago...whilst they were still designing the costly new health centres, encouraging the Doctors who were in Peel House to move there. Interesting that not many other Doctors have taken up the offers!! I still think the best place for it would be the PALS centre, of the ones that have so far been mentioned. But again thats just my personal opinion. As far as the unit at the corner of Nuttall Street/Wellington Street is concerned, i think that this building is already owned by the PCT, it offers Counselling/Mental Health Services. If we were comparing it directly with Avenue Parade, again I would still say this is more suitable, as its not as residential as Avenue Parade, is more set back, and could perhaps have the scope to be shielded further by Trees/Hedging etc. But if that place was proposed, and if the residents there strongly objected, i would be happy to support their objections, and sign any petition which was organised.

Best Regards - Taggy
Of course the PCT thought the Avenue Parade site ideal for this unit, but you can bet your bottom dollar none of them live within miles of Avenue Parade, or maybe Accrington itself, but one thing is for sure they wouldn't be voting to have it sited anwhere near any of their homes anytime soon

Bagpuss 04-12-2008 18:48
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Taggy did you get your letter from Greg Pope?

Taggy 05-12-2008 16:57
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Yes indeed i did Bagpuss....thought it was my invite to the House Of Commons!! Lol!


Best Regards - Taggy

jaysay 06-12-2008 09:19
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Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 657596)
Yes indeed i did Bagpuss....thought it was my invite to the House Of Commons!! Lol!


Best Regards - Taggy
Don't go Taggy, its full of those bloody politicians:D

Taggy 06-12-2008 09:52
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I was hoping to gain access to the subsidised bar and smoking lounge Jaysay!!!:D


Best Regards - Taggy

cashman 06-12-2008 13:28
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Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 657740)
I was hoping to gain access to the subsidised bar and smoking lounge Jaysay!!!:D


Best Regards - Taggy
when i was there,back in the day, the M.P. got the ale in Taggy, sod the subsidy.;)

jaysay 06-12-2008 14:04
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Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 657740)
I was hoping to gain access to the subsidised bar and smoking lounge Jaysay!!!:D


Best Regards - Taggy
Thats not for plebs like thee and me Taggy:D

Taggy 07-12-2008 09:48
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 657772)
when i was there,back in the day, the M.P. got the ale in Taggy, sod the subsidy.;)
Blimey theres a novelty Cashman ...the thought of an MP with his hands in his OWN pocket!!!

Ah well Jaysay...one can have dreams...or Nightmares!!!...This plebs off to Tesco now, for his value lager!!


Best Regards - Taggy

andrewb 07-12-2008 10:30
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 657772)
when i was there,back in the day, the M.P. got the ale in Taggy, sod the subsidy.;)
Guests are not allowed to purchase drinks, even today. ;)

Greg Pope 08-12-2008 15:29
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I can confirm that Andrew is indeed correct, guests are not allowed to buy drinks in the Commons' bar. Form an orderly queue now.....

Also, someone mentioned smoking but this is an urban myth - smoking is banned in the Houses of Parliament just the same as everywhere else.

Tealeaf 09-12-2008 14:19
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Originally Posted by Greg Pope (Post 658404)
Also, someone mentioned smoking but this is an urban myth - smoking is banned in the Houses of Parliament just the same as everywhere else.
..but not on the terraces (unlike at a footy game).

lancsdave 09-12-2008 15:54
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Originally Posted by Greg Pope (Post 658404)
I can confirm that Andrew is indeed correct, guests are not allowed to buy drinks in the Commons' bar. Form an orderly queue now.....

My daughter is going on a school trip on Friday, does this mean you will be buying a round of J2O's :D

magpie 09-12-2008 15:56
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Originally Posted by Greg Pope (Post 658404)
I can confirm that Andrew is indeed correct, guests are not allowed to buy drinks in the Commons' bar. Form an orderly queue now.....

Also, someone mentioned smoking but this is an urban myth - smoking is banned in the Houses of Parliament just the same as everywhere else.
good to hear it.... however I bet the powers that be have a nice plush smoking shelter, rather than a makeshift, unheated lean too : :rolleyes:

cashman 09-12-2008 18:31
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 658015)
Guests are not allowed to purchase drinks, even today. ;)
good to hear some old fashioned customs remain intact.:) shame P.D. don't.:rolleyes:

katex 09-12-2008 18:47
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 658724)
good to hear some old fashioned customs remain intact.:) shame P.D. don't.:rolleyes:
Who's P.D. Cashy ? Am I being thick ?

May not be able to smoke on the terraces either Tealeaf in the House of Commons, as meals there are under Marquee, (food's good though) maybe leaning on the wall and flicking yer docker into the Thames ... :D

Which reminds me, still have a bottle of Champagne from their bar, ex 'boss' always gave these out for Christmas. Had it about 10 years, will it still be OK ya' reckon ?

cashman 09-12-2008 20:55
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 658729)
Who's P.D. Cashy ? Am I being thick ?

May not be able to smoke on the terraces either Tealeaf in the House of Commons, as meals there are under Marquee, (food's good though) maybe leaning on the wall and flicking yer docker into the Thames ... :D

Which reminds me, still have a bottle of Champagne from their bar, ex 'boss' always gave these out for Christmas. Had it about 10 years, will it still be OK ya' reckon ?
P.D. was Preventitive Detention or Hard Labour as some called it, persistant offenders were the favourites to get it, so the toe rags who will not reform, pay the piper.

yerself 10-12-2008 07:17
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I notice our honourable member is using a blue typeface. Does this mean a defection is imminent? Are Mr. Pope and andrewb hiding something from us?;)

jaysay 10-12-2008 08:46
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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 658810)
I notice our honourable member is using a blue typeface. Does this mean a defection is imminent? Are Mr. Pope and andrewb hiding something from us?;)
Well I know its been cold lately, but I'm sure Hell hasn't frozen over yet yerself:D


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