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jaysay 21-11-2008 10:38

Benefit cuts for single parents
 
It seems that the Government are about to start a witch hunt on single parents for children aged 12 and over (7 and over in two years time) They face losing 40% of their benefits if they can't prove they are actively seeking work. I know nearly everybody has a view on this issue, but for my own part I think they are treading on very dangerous ground, for on, no two peoples circumstances are the same, and there are a lot of single parents would love to go back to work, but at a time when unemployment is likely to rise to close on 3 million, this may not be the right time to embark on this action

emamum 21-11-2008 10:40

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personally i think more women will have babies to stay on benefits instead of going to work.....I cant see how they can get away with it tbh because its the children that will lose out.

Benipete 21-11-2008 10:59

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I think the mothers will just re-time the birth of the next baby to coincide with any threat of a return to work.
Of course not all I admit - Just all the ones I know!!:confused::confused:

emzy 21-11-2008 11:02

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In a way I agree with this, I have every intention of going back to work when the boys start full time school, I can understand how difficult it is to find suitable hours / childcare when you have young children so that wont help and will make it more difficult finding suitable work but when Guess when they are at that age they can look after themselves for an hour or two after school so that can no longer be used as a valid reason for not working / struggling to find work

But the jobs have to be there for people to get them. With so many redundancies lurking for so many people at the moment I dont know how they can really enforce this. If the works not there then they cant do it. But if they are trying and actively seeking work then their benefits wont be cut.

Think a lot of them though have just got lazy and do need to get off there bums and find work!

emamum 21-11-2008 11:03

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I'll probably do what i did when ty was little and childmind again :)

panther 21-11-2008 11:08

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Another stupid idea from the goverment:rolleyes:
As you say Jaysay, people at the moment are losing their jobs, dont ya think the goverment should be trying to get the OTHER parent to cough up instead of keep hounding these single parents?
It may seem silly, but some women dont get pregnant on purpose, just to get benefit!!
No one can live properly on the pathetic amount they get!
The OTHER parent whether a man or woman should pay up and take responsibilty instead of making the other struggle, but they did try it once with CSA and that was a load of bull:rolleyes:

emzy 21-11-2008 11:09

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Originally Posted by emamum (Post 653371)
I'll probably do what i did when ty was little and childmind again :)

Ive been thinking about that recently - just not quite sure yet

garinda 21-11-2008 11:15

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 653355)
It seems that the Government are about to start a witch hunt on single parents for children aged 12 and over (7 and over in two years time) They face losing 40% of their benefits if they can't prove they are actively seeking work. I know nearly everybody has a view on this issue, but for my own part I think they are treading on very dangerous ground, for on, no two peoples circumstances are the same, and there are a lot of single parents would love to go back to work, but at a time when unemployment is likely to rise to close on 3 million, this may not be the right time to embark on this action

My grandmother, who you knew, was widowed with two small children to bring up alone.

There was no option but to go out to work, and even if there was, once her children were at school she'd have gone out grafting anyway.

jaysay 21-11-2008 11:31

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 653374)
My grandmother, who you knew, was widowed with two small children to bring up alone.

There was no option but to go out to work, and even if there was, once her children were at school she'd have gone out grafting anyway.

Yeas you are quite right Rindi, but we live in a different age, and people have been brought up to modern day conditions, not all for the good may I add, but maybe, just maybe there are other areas which could be tackled first. Everybody knows that some young ladies get pregnant on purpose and are quite prepared to stay at home as long as they can get away with it. The same is said about the disabled too, but the genuine disabled would love to be able to work instead of existing on what they get on benefits. Even today I receive nowhere near the money I was earning in 1980, okay I worked long hours, but I loved it and looked forward to work every day. It maybe an idea if we closed our boarders for a while because any one coming here at the moment ain't coming for the work, not when the jobless total is rising every day

garinda 21-11-2008 11:47

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Surely if as forecast unemployment is rising, rather than relying on a smaller and smaller work force paying taxes which fund people's benefits, everyone who is able to should be encouraged to find work?

Makes economic sense to me.

After all these proposals are only to encourage those who are able to seek work.

No one will be penalised unless they refuse to do so.

garinda 21-11-2008 11:55

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 653355)
It seems that the Government are about to start a witch hunt on single parents for children aged 12 and over (7 and over in two years time) They face losing 40% of their benefits if they can't prove they are actively seeking work. I know nearly everybody has a view on this issue, but for my own part I think they are treading on very dangerous ground, for on, no two peoples circumstances are the same, and there are a lot of single parents would love to go back to work, but at a time when unemployment is likely to rise to close on 3 million, this may not be the right time to embark on this action

What do your beloved Conservative party propose?

Generation after generation who choose the option to live on benefits?

I'm afraid if everyone decided to go for that option we'd soon come unstuck, as there'd be no money in the pot to pay anyone's benefits, and we'd be in a worse economic crisis than we are currently.

flashy 21-11-2008 12:14

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did i not do a thread about this earlier on this year? its old news now lol

K-P 21-11-2008 12:24

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every year they target someone,, was the disabled last time i looked. single mothers now.. as far as i can see it never makes any difference...

andrewb 21-11-2008 12:32

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 653389)
What do your beloved Conservative party propose?

Generation after generation who choose the option to live on benefits?

I'm afraid if everyone decided to go for that option we'd soon come unstuck, as there'd be no money in the pot to pay anyone's benefits, and we'd be in a worse economic crisis than we are currently.

Dependency culture; inspired by government tampering in human nurture. Time to write a blog.

cashman 21-11-2008 12:36

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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 653413)
Dependency culture; inspired by government tampering in human nurture. Time to write a blog.

nah time to speak plain n explain to us simpletons what the hell that is.:D

Mancie 21-11-2008 13:10

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And where did you get this information from Jaysay?, the latest of what is becoming a long list of Tory propaganda posts made by you, from Mien Kampf ? (oh I meant The Daily Mail) slip of the tongue! :D

fireman 21-11-2008 13:47

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Scoring political pionts???????????

lancsdave 21-11-2008 13:52

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They might actually get round to targetting single people between the ages of 16-20 and never done a days work since leaving school one of these days.

Less 21-11-2008 14:03

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 653355)
It seems that the Government are about to start a witch hunt on single parents for children aged 12 and over (7 and over in two years time) They face losing 40% of their benefits if they can't prove they are actively seeking work. I know nearly everybody has a view on this issue, but for my own part I think they are treading on very dangerous ground, for on, no two peoples circumstances are the same, and there are a lot of single parents would love to go back to work, but at a time when unemployment is likely to rise to close on 3 million, this may not be the right time to embark on this action

Hmm,

[quote][Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me./QUOTE]

It's another of those difficult things!

Of course every child is innocent and needs looking after, but the Mothers?

Well, actually yes of course, to function correctly as single parent's, (by single parent's I don't include separated or divorced women, I mean those that chose or due to circumstances are not involved with a partner), also need looking after, but to make a career of it at the expense of others? Is that right?

The system is far better than it used to be, were a single mother would either end up on the streets and if lucky, end up in the hands of a charity.

But, since the period of, 'free love', reputed to be around in the sixties, (I seemed to blink and miss it!).

We, as a society claim to 'understand', but where does understanding and tolerance of repeated mistakes become wrong?

I was married, my wife decided that she would stop at home and look after our children, fair enough, other mothers wanted to get back in there and so employed minders, a similar sacrifice.

But, single mothers? Yes if you've made a mistake, I for one don't want you or an innocent child to suffer, but if you're going to turn it into a career, please at least consider the poor soul's that have to contribute to your upkeep, they need to live as well, so how about a compromise?

You're single, you get pregnant, a house/flat will be provided, but if after finding how difficult bringing a child up on your own is, then don't blame or expect everyone else to help if it happens again, we are busy bringing up our relations!
:o

mattylad 21-11-2008 14:28

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Aparently a representative of single mothers was on breakfast TV saying thatthey want to be able to spend time with their kids rather than go to work.

Er indoors was livid, she also would love to spend more time with our kids, but she has to work, so perhaps they should too.

We know of one single mother to be ho is purposely arranging things so that she becomes one of the dependants we all pay for.

lancsdave 21-11-2008 14:48

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Originally Posted by mattylad (Post 653462)
Aparently a representative of single mothers was on breakfast TV saying thatthey want to be able to spend time with their kids rather than go to work.

Er indoors was livid, she also would love to spend more time with our kids, but she has to work, so perhaps they should too.

We know of one single mother to be ho is purposely arranging things so that she becomes one of the dependants we all pay for.


Unfortunately the latter part of your post is what gets most single mothers tarred with the same brush. The majority of single mothers have been left in the lurch by some selfish lust driven excuse of a father, and just to balance it up a bit it also happens the other way round, I think the latest figures show that 11% of single parents are actually single dad's.

Most single parents would rather provide a better quality of life for their kids, unfortunatley what the government seem to forget in these instances are that the childcare and suitable jobs ( ie those that have some flexibilty ) are not as widely available as the spin machines make out.

By the way I don't think the single mother on the news did herself any favours and it was interesting to see that although she passes herself off as a campaigner she certainly wasn't representing any official body, a loose cannon springs to mind. Even worse her kids were 16 & 14 !!

West Ender 21-11-2008 15:30

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I can understand any mother who wants to stay at home with her small children, I didn't work until mine were ready for Grammar School (but I had a husband with a well-paid job), but when they are at school it's a different matter and if it's possible mum should work. The help should come in finding suitable employment for them and persuading employers to accept flexi-time working.

Both my daughters have been single parents (Nik still is) and both have always worked. It wasn't easy for either of them but neither was prepared to be a "single-mother-on-benefits".

jaysay 21-11-2008 16:03

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 653428)
And where did you get this information from Jaysay?, the latest of what is becoming a long list of Tory propaganda posts made by you, from Mien Kampf ? (oh I meant The Daily Mail) slip of the tongue! :D

Might be better if you laid of the pop and watched the news occasionally, you may just learn whats going on in the world day to day, but I'm not holding my breathe, moron

Gordie 24-11-2008 20:44

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 653355)
It seems that the Government are about to start a witch hunt on single parents for children aged 12 and over (7 and over in two years time) They face losing 40% of their benefits if they can't prove they are actively seeking work. I know nearly everybody has a view on this issue, but for my own part I think they are treading on very dangerous ground, for on, no two peoples circumstances are the same, and there are a lot of single parents would love to go back to work, but at a time when unemployment is likely to rise to close on 3 million, this may not be the right time to embark on this action

Well its a start in the right direction.They should lose their benefits if they can`t prove there seeking work.Why should other working tax payers support them and there children when they are capable of working. Regarding a lot of single parents would love to go back to work maybe but how many did work before they had children.I think most would more likely love to stay supported by the tax payer.

lancsdave 24-11-2008 21:21

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Originally Posted by Gordie (Post 654578)
Regarding a lot of single parents would love to go back to work maybe but how many did work before they had children.I think most would more likely love to stay supported by the tax payer.

On what amount of experience on the subject are your views based ?

Mancie 24-11-2008 21:42

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Total rubbish..how could any Goverment cut benifits that are in place to ensure a child is not in poverty?..complete rubbish!

Royboy39 24-11-2008 22:26

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Wow...that seemed to have touched a nerve?

steeljack 24-11-2008 23:42

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Its the politicians of all stripes who are to blame , they allow cheap imports which destroy the local manufacturing jobs, and then they use the 'guilt trip' by saying they are doing it to raise the living standards of the third world and to wipe out poverty , a load of bull crap , they are dragging use down to third world levels.
It's the same misguided argument as used by modern day educators who belive putting low intelligence kids in the same class as bright kids and it will raise the standards of the morons , wrong ....it brings down the levels of the bright kids .

Mancie 25-11-2008 01:26

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 654616)
Its the politicians of all stripes who are to blame , they allow cheap imports which destroy the local manufacturing jobs, and then they use the 'guilt trip' by saying they are doing it to raise the living standards of the third world and to wipe out poverty , a load of bull crap , they are dragging use down to third world levels.
It's the same misguided argument as used by modern day educators who belive putting low intelligence kids in the same class as bright kids and it will raise the standards of the morons , wrong ....it brings down the levels of the bright kids .

well looks like it did not work in your case Steeljack..you started off stupid and ended up stupid !

steeljack 25-11-2008 01:36

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 654623)
well looks like it did not work in your case Steeljack..you started off stupid and ended up stupid !

and your the poster child for MENSA I suppose :eek:

Mancie 25-11-2008 02:22

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 654624)
and your the poster child for MENSA I suppose :eek:

I am the poster of reason... the poster of all that is common sense..when all else fails I ..will be there ;)

Mancie 25-11-2008 02:24

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reminds me of a song guv..

YouTube - 1966 Reach Out, I'll Be There The Four Tops

derekgas 25-11-2008 06:57

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It is all well and good cutting benefits, the social services would rather a woman looked after the kids than working, because there is a theory that working mothers can cause emotional damage to thier kids by working too many hours, so, which should it be? work and scar your kids for life, or not work and be considered a scrounger but the kids will grow up into wonderful little people? with a stable mind! (though in my experience, the kids whos parents dont work are the worst behaved and most challenging)

steeljack 25-11-2008 08:06

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Would be interesting to know the difference in rates of child support payments paid by fathers of 'legitimate' children and those of 'illigitimate' children . Has such a study ever been done ? .......know it may upset some some ,and may sound old fashioned, but at one time the father took responsibility (and if he didn't want too his family made sure he did) for his offspring .
Remember a Lady-friend of my late Father and her lamenting the fact that she had 5 grandchildren and everyone was a bastard .

OK, I've become my Grandad , get over it :confused: ;)

Lolly 25-11-2008 09:54

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Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 654636)
It is all well and good cutting benefits, the social services would rather a woman looked after the kids than working, because there is a theory that working mothers can cause emotional damage to thier kids by working too many hours, so, which should it be? work and scar your kids for life, or not work and be considered a scrounger but the kids will grow up into wonderful little people? with a stable mind! (though in my experience, the kids whos parents dont work are the worst behaved and most challenging)

I disagree with this i'm afraid. Both my parents have worked long hours all my life, my Dad was a fireman which, for a young child, was very distressing (was he going to come home that night?) but it certainly didnt scar me for life. It made me realise that a parent/parents can go out to work when their children are young. I went back to work a month after I had Harry, because I loved my job. I have worked throughout Harry's life and at one point had 3 jobs. I certainly havent missed out on anything and he is a wonderful little person, and isn't scarred for life! I would never want to be on benefits, I never have claimed them and have no intention of doing so.

steeljack 25-11-2008 10:02

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Originally Posted by Lolly (Post 654662)
I disagree with this i'm afraid. Both my parents have worked long hours all my life, my Dad was a fireman which, for a young child, was very distressing (was he going to come home that night?) but it certainly didnt scar me for life. It made me realise that a parent/parents can go out to work when their children are young. I went back to work a month after I had Harry, because I loved my job. I have worked throughout Harry's life and at one point had 3 jobs. I certainly havent missed out on anything and he is a wonderful little person, and isn't scarred for life! I would never want to be on benefits, I never have claimed them and have no intention of doing so.

Congratulations to you , thats hell of a lot more than some on here can say :D :D

garinda 25-11-2008 10:37

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Originally Posted by Lolly (Post 654662)
I disagree with this i'm afraid. Both my parents have worked long hours all my life, my Dad was a fireman which, for a young child, was very distressing (was he going to come home that night?) but it certainly didnt scar me for life. It made me realise that a parent/parents can go out to work when their children are young. I went back to work a month after I had Harry, because I loved my job. I have worked throughout Harry's life and at one point had 3 jobs. I certainly havent missed out on anything and he is a wonderful little person, and isn't scarred for life! I would never want to be on benefits, I never have claimed them and have no intention of doing so.

...and your grandmother worked hard too, looking after me, and lots of other children, at primary school.:D

I hardly think my mother and aunt suffered by their mother having to go out to work to put food on the table. More likely they realised you don't get 'owt (much) fer nowt'.

Lolly 25-11-2008 11:01

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 654670)
...and your grandmother worked hard too, looking after me, and lots of other children, at primary school.:D

I hardly think my mother and aunt suffered by their mother having to go out to work to put food on the table. More likely they realised you don't get 'owt (much) fer nowt'.

Agreed, thats what I realised, and certainly never suffered

Lol re: My Grandma, yes she did work hard, thats why shes living it up in Brazil at the moment. :D:D

garinda 25-11-2008 11:03

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Originally Posted by Lolly (Post 654679)
Agreed, thats what I realised.

Lol re: My Grandma, yes she did work hard, thats why shes living it up in Brazil at the moment. :D:D

She's a lovely lady, she deserves to be living it up. :)

All the kids adored her, though she didn't take any messing...even from me.:D

jaysay 25-11-2008 16:21

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 654680)
She's a lovely lady, she deserves to be living it up. :)

All the kids adored her, though she didn't take any messing...even from me.:D

You mean there was actually somebody who could tame you Rindi:rolleyes:

lancsdave 25-11-2008 16:47

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A lot of it really does depend on the support network available combined with flexible employment.

If every parent wanted to go back to work after having children then the system wouldn't be able to provide enough childcare. Easier if there are two parents in a household, alternate shifts could be arranged but in a single parent household this is obiously not possible. There are areas of the country where good childcare is near impossible to get, and in some cases non-existent. I was lucky in some ways, I found a childminder but she finished at 5pm. I had to change my hours to suit and working in IT a job that finishes at 5pm is a rare job indeed but I had an understanding employer. We might have advanced technologically oner the last 100 years but there are still some employers who adopt victorian attitudes. The fact we are so technolgically advanced and yet few people get chance to work from says a lot.

I should also add that there workshy single parents about, but then again there are also workshy single people and married people about too.


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