Should we pull out of Europe?
 

What are your views on this, let's have a poll on this subject or add your comments.

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Get the poll up quick....the sooner we're out, the better.

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Don't sit on the fence tea' make your mind up one way or the other.

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YES. YES. YES. The sooner we leave that corrupt bunch of windbags behind us the better. Did anyone hear what Kilroy-Silk had to say on TV the other day? This farce of fedaralism by the backdoor is costing us £50,000,000 per day.

That is 18.25 BILLION POUNDS PER YEAR.

Most of which goes to keep French and Greek and Italian Farmers in the style to which they have become acustomed, while our own farmers are going out of business at a frightening speed.

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Just tell me WHYwe should be like a flock of sheep,playing follow the leader ( Blair )keep England english.

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Sit on the fence long enough and you end up with a sore ****....

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You can get cream for that Tealeaf.... :D

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No No No.I bloody live there and if we do pull out i do not know what we will have to do.Me and a lot of other Brits living here

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Yes Yes Yes...just think, Mik - if you get booted back to the UK you'll be able to get to the next AccyWeb meeting......first rounds on you, by the way!

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:rose8: If someone can come up with 10 reasons why we should then I would agree with you Mik but I can think of at least 10 reasons why we shound not be in europe so I say lets get out now.

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Well i can think of about 3,000 and they are all Brits living in the Münich area

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Mind you, if we pull out I'm going to miss these horny-looking Polish & Latvian barmaids pulling the pints in the pubs down here....I've not met one yet that ain't page 3 material.

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T.Wot are u trying to say.I vill not be looking forward to getting back there.People are great but at the mo there does not look to be much of a future.Either here or in Blighty

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250,000 reasons - Frogs in London alone.

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Well, the future for the UK will be a hell of a sight worse if we remain in the EU......but do you really think those Frogs & Germans could be so dastardly to throw out all the Brits when we finally turn round to them and say "Enoughs enough....up yours, Jacque & Gerald..."

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I have heard on this website there are a lot in Springhill as well

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Not to forget all the industrial business Britain would more than likely lose out on

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below the belt mik ha ha

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Hey Mez T is taking away my livelyhood here and they know in Europe that an Englishman goes down fighting eh?At least they do in this part of Germany anyway.

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An Englishman doesn’t go down Mik. We stay up fighting and win.

Geologically the British Isles may be part of the European continent but that is all. Socially and politically we are far removed from the continent and have been for hundreds of years. Let’s keep it that way! Trade with Europe by all means but WE decide our fate not Brussels.

Better still turn the Untidy Kingdom, sorry I mean United Kingdom, into an off-shore tax haven for the world and a tourist trap.

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If Britain pulled out of the EU tomorrow, they would still be allowed to work in the EU. Switzerland is not in the EU, but they can still work anywhere in the EU without a problem. On the subject of Europe, the European Parliment and Constitution, the EU is the biggest mistake to befall Europe since WWII. I live in Mallorca, and see how the money is wasted. This year, the Germans are all broke agin, cos they're funding the EU gravy train. In 89 the Berlin Wall came down, and naturally the West had to pay to bring the eastern part up to scratch. On top of this, they have to pay to bring the rest of Europe up to scratch. Example. 3 yrs ago, the Passeig Calvia project was started. This involved cobble paving the main coast road from the borough boundary of Palma, through the borough of Calvià, and right through to the borough boundary with Andratx. This was a two year project. I don't know the exact financial figures, but they used 5000 trees, and 100,000 bedding plants, all with irrigation. This project was funded 80% by the EU (i.e. northern Europe). What makes it worse is that Calvià is the richest borough in Europe, richer than bloody Zurich!! So next time you look at your wage slip in Munich, remember that a large portion of the taxes that you have paid go towards economies that could quite happily live without it. Oh, another thing, could you tell me why Spain gets so much funding from the EU, when it has 19 (nineteen) bank holidays per year? "You pay your taxes while Pedro sits drinking sangria" might seems very much like an anachronism, but it aint. The EU represents the greatest economic threat to the UK since Hitler. Bad as he was, you knew where you were, with the EU, they move the goalposts as and when they feel fit.

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We know from recent experience that the EU is rife with corruption from the highest levels to the lowest. In italy it is seen as a soft touch and is used by the mafia to fund their activities. I am sure that Eastern European criminal organiisations are already hard at work milking the system for all that they can get out of it, while that welsh windbag Kinnock and his wife sit in Brussels and pontificate on what is best for us.

Incidentally, I met his wife once, what a snooty, stuck-up mare! Clearly under the impression that she was in some way better than us mere plebs.

I notice in the news yesterday that htere was an announcement that the Referendum on the EU Consitution would not be held until the end of 2006. That is two and a half years away. Tony Bleeeuugh is obviously hoping that we will all get bored with protesting about it and the thing will be passed with a low turnout. Apparently oblivious to the fact that, one way or another, he will be out of a job come the General Election.

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I don't think that the UK should pull out of Europe. The UK should stay in but not accept the constitution or the EURO. The EU needs to be regulated with some common sense and the UK can provide that. Not at the moment though, as Tiny Blahr and his croonies do not have any common-sense, nor can they plan more than 1 day ahead.

Europe without the UK will not help anybody, especially the UK who can lead Europe on to better things. Remember that the UK has gained a lot of benefits from the EU, which should remain a Common Market for the benefit of all West Europeans. Just stop the Frogs and these German Socialist control freaks from taking over the rest of the world. The 4th Reich needs to be halted now!

MikDik shouldn't have any fears living in Bavaria. Once he has his "Unbefristet Aufenhaltserlaubnis" (Unlimited Residence Permit) they cannot or will not throw him (and me), out of Germany. I got mine...have you got yours Mik?

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Got mine years ago matey. Completely forgot about that.As to the spanish.Well we get 12 bank hols over here.I am not complaining and the general ruling is we get 30 days paid hols over here too, and that at a time and half.Not to mention the Xmas bonus i receive of 55% of my wage.
I will agree that i can see a lot of benefits with England staing in the EU.All this EU constipation, sorry that should read Constitution but ithink it fits anyway so i am going to leave it in

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The European Union's head commissioners announced today that agreement has been reached to adopt English as the preferred language standard for European communications -- rather than German, which was the other option. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five-year phased plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish ("Euro" for short).

In the first year, "s" will be used instead of the soft "c". Sertainly, sivil servants will resieve this news with joy. Also, the hard "c" will be replased
with "k". Not only will this klear up konfusion, but typewriters kan have one less letter.

There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replased by "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20 persent shorter.

In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.

Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of silent "e"s in the languag is disgrasful, and they should go.

By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" by z" and "w" by v. During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou", and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters.

After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech ozer.

Ze drem vil finali kum tru!

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an old one, but it still makes me smile :)

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The EU isn't going to go away, but I would like to think that rip-off Britain would, if we joined the Euro and drove on the other side of the road.

If we turn our back on the EU then let's get back to the way we were, and bring back imperial weights and measures, pounds shillings and pence, the Commonwealth (what's left of it) and dig up the Channel Tunnel.

We need to influence the EU decision making process, and form alliances, for better or worse, richer or poorer, until death us do part. mmmm.

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No problem with that but how can you dig a tunnel up??? The only thing you could do is fill it in.As for alliances in Europe.Well who would the alliances be with,the French = run away at the first sign of trouble.The Spanish = too busy selling arms to the enemy.Actually the Spanish have one of teh biggest arms sales in Europe.The Germans = too busy fighting among them selves and giving everybody else the blame except them selves.Not many left over that have any major influence on world politics

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It's all very well saying that the UK would have a bigger say in European affairs, but bearing in mind that there are now 25 member states, having just 4% of the say, ain't saying much.

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I voted "yes lets get out"! I think we should be a bit selfish and concentrate on sorting our own troubles out without trying to get too involved with the rest of the EU's problems. That's one thing you can say about the USA - they do want they want, when they want to, but usually for their own best interests. I don't think we should go quite as far - but you know what I mean. We're too busy trying not to upset anyone and the country is going to the pits.

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Well said...Shortstuff

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I also agree with you young lady, apart from voting YES, but that's your right. But I think you were a bit off course with "going to the pits" it should have read "gone to the pits"

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The phrase is, actually, "going to the dogs" but the point is taken.

For those of you who are interested in such things it might be worth while keep an eye on what the Italian Government has to say regarding European Interest rates in the coming months.

Italy is massively in debt and has a stagnating economy, many there, including the Prime Minister, Berlusconi, blame the European Central Bank for not relaxing interest rates. There are rumours that they will threaten to dump the Euro and re-issue the Lira. This may have the effect of frightening the Central Bank into lowering interest rates. which in turn could open the door for other member states to blackmail Europe. Or if the Central Bank refuse then Italy will make good its threat and re-issue the Lira which will bring the whole fairy tale castle tumbling down.

It is said that the collapse of the Euro is unthinkable, but experience shows that it does not take much to translate the unthinkable into the inevitable, especially where paper money is concerned.

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Yes pull out its bad for us just look at what them bams have done withe their meddling. They are at least 20 years behind the UK in many things. Unfortunatly were would all the lackies that are there with our so called MSP's do?:cool:

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What kind of calendar are you using? End of 2006 is only a year and a couple of months away.

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Not if the original quote was dated June 2004.

Sometimes it pays to read the small print.

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I stand corrected.

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Thanks for that one mate.

Gayle, you are going to have to sharpen up if you are going to catch Britcliffe. :D

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Well successive promised referendums have come and gone, but at least seven years later, we can still have our say in the Accy Web poll.

:D

(No, it wasn't me. Someone else must have voted, and resurrected this thread.)

:D

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Noticed this myself, thought I had gremlins, checked other posts and thought, yes dodgy bumped thread, cheers.;)

And it wasn't me:D

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Though it did seem rude not to vote, seeing as someone has revived it, after I saw that I hadn't when I was a teenager.

:rolleyes:

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Yep, couldn't understand why I missed this back in the depths of time. Predictably enough, a similar voting pattern to the one you started more recently.

What a pity that politicians on both sides seem determined to ignore the wishes of the British people. :rolleyes:

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Still, with a new series of the X-Factor about to start, we do get to exercise our democratic right to vote on what we want the future to be.

:rolleyes::o:mad:

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http://cdn.content.sweetim.com/sim/c...s/00020309.gifOh no not the bloody X-Factor:D

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I'm afraid that whatever side of the fence you are on it has to be said that the time for referendum is long overdue and with each passing day it becomes harder to justify not having one. We pay far more in per year than we get back out of it and for myself, although I have heard some fairly convincing arguments for remaining within the EU, I would happily withdraw.

Opinions from all politicians are divided and quite openly between members within each party. I must say that I prefer this to a bunch of sheep rigidly adhering to the party line over their own views.

With the advent of the new 100,000 signature petition which allows burning issues to be considered for discussion within parliament, I will be interested to see how the House of Commons deals with it. On the one hand, if they ignore it then there will be uproar but on the other if they debate it and find that actually it is better that we stay in the EU then I'm not sure that will go down terribly well with the majority either.

Good luck everyone, rather you than me.

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There may be divides on both sides, but it seems to me that the majority in both the Tory and Labour party are for staying in. Possibly some of them are viewing their future prospects. After all if an absolutely useless bag of wind like Kinnock can get a cushy job on the Euro gravy train, why not them?

The prospect of the British people actually having their say on whether we stay in or pull out terrifies them because they know the answer they'll get and that's why Brown and now Cameron have gone through all sorts of verbal contortions to wriggle out of it. Don't expect a referendum anytime soon! :rolleyes:

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Well Wyn I am fast coming round to your way of thinking that we should get the hell out of this shambles they call the European Union, especially when I read this morning we could be saddled with a bill of £50 billion from the bail out of Grease and the like, enough's enough:mad:

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It would be interesting to get an independent assessment of EXACTLY how much it would cost us to pull out of the EU. A bottom line figure, not swayed by political dogma.

Until we have that we can't possibly have a referendum, because people would be voting on the wrong premise ie politics rather than economics.

I suspect we'd get a shock if we saw the cost of getting out of all the commitments we've entered into. All the cosy quid pro quo arrangements with different countries on health care, residency, etc etc.

By all means leave the EU and send all those johnny foreigners back from whence they came.......

.....and prepare the reception camps for all the ex pat Brits who will flood back into the country when they get expelled from where they've settled!

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But they're all so clever, and know better than us what's good for the plebs.

It's all very complicated, and that's why we can't understand the amazing range of benefits we get from continued E.U. membership.

It's like politicans' expenses.

They fought tooth and nail to prevent their expenses from being published.

We were just too stupid to understand that their only concern was purely a security issue.

:rolleyes:

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You love it dont lie:tongueout:tongueout

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We could do worse than take Norway as a example, yes they have high taxes so Mancie and c'mon should be happy!!! But they seem to do okay without the EU and have a good standard of living.
From a personal view one advantage of the EU is the euro, I spend time in almost all the Euro zone countries, it's easier to carry in my wallet, still there's nothing better than a bit of Khazakstan Tenge to get them all worked up at Tesco!!

On a serious note, we could cut legal immigration from other EU members, this would help most industry here, why we have never followed the French in that I don't know, foe example to join Air France you have to have a French Passport and be fluent in French, to join British Airways you just need the right to work in the EU.
More concerning, being a ex expat living in Morocco for 3 years, the amount of Moroccan cars I saw with Euro flag stickers on was unreal, they all were looking forward to the day they joined the EU o thru could live in France and the UK.

We should leave, or risk being dragged down with the Euro.

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A difficult one this for me as i have been living in Italy for the last 25 years and have missed out on the build up of resentment in the UK against the EU.
Back in the 70's I had the good fortune to go on holiday camping in France, you wouldn't believe how "behind" it was in some ways WRT the UK back then especially in the South. I think the EU has been very important for the development of Southern European countries like France, Spain, Italy etc. Equally it is now promoting the development of it's newer member states -but at what price?
The Euro seemed like a good idea and is certainly handy for those who travel. In Italy when it was introduced 1 Euro=1,936.27 Lira but in the shops overnight what used to cost 1000Lira suddenly cost 1 Euro and no-one complained because 1:1 was easier to understand! Europe therefore became more expensive for Brits on holiday and viceversa...
I personally preferred Europe when each country had more af a national identity and it's own currency. That's what made each country different, interesting and "foreign", nowadays we're all mixed up together and there are McD's and kebab houses wherever you go...
I'm no economist, but surely if countries managed to trade with each other before the EU then surely they could continue to do so without it. Would you be banned if you weren't in the team anymore? As many have pointed out on this thread already there seem to be too many vested Political/Economic interests tied up in the maintenance of the bureaucracy.
It's a truly tangled web - can we be sure we aren't being deceived by our politicians in pursuit of their own interests?

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Cheers, Mobertol, you've just summed up the EU to a T! ;)

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You should think about going in to politics.

You'd get at least one vote.

:D

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I'll consider it.

Whilst treading on toes to do the right thing is amusing I might be inclined to make it a vice.

Oops.

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Looks like you've just lost that 1 vote mate:D

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There's a question that has been bothering me .... apart from who put the bomp in the bop she bop?:D .... Why are the major political parties so keen on staying in the EU? I'm tempted to think that it is because they consider membership in the EU is in the best interests of Great Britain. There seems to be nothing in it for them ... as in they are going to make money out of it ... (unlike the Liam Fox thing .... or the fact that the top listed 100 British companies have established numerous subsiduaries in places like the Cayman Islands in order to avoid British taxes. These are the same companies that the Tory govt. wants to reward with tax breaks:rolleyes: oops, I wandered.)

Is it that they have limited their thinking to the purely economic aspects? And ignored the other arguments for opting out? What seems weird is that they seem to want to follow a path that will lead to the diminishing of their own power.:confused:

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They don't want to come out because whoever takes that decision will have one hell of a job to untangle all the legislation that the EU have bound us all up in.

Yes, they are diminshing their own powers...making less owrk for themselves...but getting paid a princely amount for the reduced workload....and we daft burgers are paying them and the EU!