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seeing as thats their names which have been all over the news, would be a bit concerned if cherokee had called them George and Fred lol

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Both have now been charged with murder.and will appear at Burnley mags in the morning
Alan Street murder: two charged (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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Would have thought Surnames more appropriate way of addressing two suspected murderers really. Mind you, if they get sent down, apparently prisoners are not to be called just by their surnames anymore, either Christian names or Mr,Mrs or Miss! ....I'm so out of touch with modern day society, we really should show criminals much more respect than we do you know!:rolleyes:

Best Regards - Taggy

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The world has gone mad.

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Alan street was actually a really nice lad, everyone knew about his past and he took a lot of stick for it, i personally disliked him for a while when i first met him (id heard the gossip and pre-judged him on that) but after spending some time with him he was a genuine and very funny guy, Yeah he did some pretty screwed up things in the past but do people not deserve a second chance.

what happened in his past is irrelevent as far as im concerned, the way the papers reported on this was rubbish, if they really wanted people to come forward with information then why mention the fact that he was a convicted rapist in every other sentence. Regardless of what had happened in his past he was the victim of a murder, nobody deserves that.

Also look at it from the other side, his girlfriend has 3 kids (not his, just to make it clear) one of them is still at school why should she have to suffer, something like this is obviously going to result in bullying of some sort or another and i honestly would put the blame for that purely on the way the media dealt with this.

On a side note i heard Alan Street broke pete leonards jaw a few years ago in a pub, allegedly Pete said to him "you can wait but your a dead man". wonder if that had anything to do with his death?

R.I.P Alan Street hope the memories people remember of you are the happy cheerful guy you were and not the evil scum the media portraid you as.

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Well said Speedy:

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i heard it had everything to do with pete havin his jaw broke, anyways still doesnt give him a right to murder does it and alan palmer is a cousin of mine to.

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He's related to a family member of mine. Its a small world lol.

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it is

i didnt have a clue till my mum pointed it out to me but its safe to say i wont be at crown court wearing my "free the accrington 4" t-shirt

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I didnt find out till last week, bumped into my cousin in town and he told me.

I wont be attending court either:D, TBH I really couldnt care less they all deserve whats coming to them IMHO.

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They're always referred to in law reports by surnames. Can't see that ever changing either. Just the way it is always been, so I agree with you, it DOES seem odd to refer to them by their first names, especially their first names alone!

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Have you passed this information on to the Police?


Best Regards - Taggy

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Police have now charged 3 other people on "Suspicion of Assisting an Offender". Nicola Street (35), Michael Helm (39) and Keith Birtwell (29).

Three charged with assisting offender over East Lancashire murder case (From Lancashire Telegraph)


Best Regards - Taggy

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i know a Nicky Street of that age, i hope its not her

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I believe she's Pete Leonards girlfriend, and Alan Lee Streets Cousin Flashy!!

Best Regards - Taggy

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Street is her married name, i think it is her

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yeah Nicola Street ex-moorhead...More commonly known as Nicola Grundy whilst growing up.Shea preggers to

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yeah thats her, got her on my facebook, have known her since i was 4,was just looking through some of the comments on her profile

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I refer to them by thier first names because that is what I know them as.
I know Pete very well and also Alan.
Have called him a few other things over the years but always to his face so we could laugh about it.
For gods sake if you know someone then surely your going to call them by thier name and not one that suits YOU..
I like many others on this site know them having lived and been brought up in Ossy all my life. so would seem quite odd if I refferred to them as mr and mr blah!!:rolleyes:

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Another Two have now been charged with assisting an Offender. Sean Jackson (37) of Accy, and Paul Dougill (39) of Bolton. Quite a few involved now in one way or another!.


Best Regards - Taggy

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whats bein said on facebook flashy??just bein nosey

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shows what a group of cowards these people must be!

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nothing at all, if you knew Nicky that well then you would be on her friends list and then you could see for yourself, i aint into divulging information about people i know, sorry

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whatevers being said wherever, judging the amount of further arrests fer "Aiding" etc, its blatantly obvious that a canaries singing.:)

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Certainly would appear so Cashy, and to be honest, I wouldn't really want to be on first name terms with murderers!:rolleyes: (allegedly or otherwise)

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jungle drums are banging : :theband: wonder if they have got them all now.... seems like a lot of people were involved:

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Think thats pretty harsh Lindsay. I was on first name terms with Pete, Allan, their kids and their familys, I know Nicola, I know some of the people that have been arrested as well

If they had walked round for thelast 20 years with a 'potential alleged murderers' sign round their necks, and other various tags, then your comments may be more justified.

I'm neither man's greatest fan, but will readily admit to seeing them help people that have needed it, strangers and friends. No one on here yet knows what happened that night, although nothing excuses the end result. My thoughts are with the familys, both the victims and the arrested,as they are innocently involved in all this and all must be going through hell

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its ok, she's my new stalker, she loves picking at me, i and a lot of people on here have noticed it and we all think its hilarious

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Really, it's very flattering but I have better things to do!:rolleyes:
And your paranoia seems a little misplaced, I wasn't referring to just you using first name terms, but hey never mind.

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cart on love

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Was reading todays telegraph and saw a report headed "Bail Remand" it said: " Keith Birtwell 29, of Maudsley St, was remanded on bail by Hyndburn Magistrates after pleading guilty to assaulting David Birtwell. The Magistrates had previously ordered the preparation of a pre-sentence report."

Thought the name seemed familiar, then i checked this link and noticed its the same guy who has also been charged with assisting an offender in regards to the Murder of Alan Street.

Three charged with assisting offender over East Lancashire murder case (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Nowt like keeping yer head down and maintaining a low profile is there?

Best Regards - Taggy

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lindsay ormerod
Certainly would appear so Cashy, and to be honest, I wouldn't really want to be on first name terms with murderers! (allegedly or otherwise)

Pretty harsh indeed IMO. Like many on here I also knew Pete and Allan and like Onlyme has said , both have indeed in the past gone out of thier way to help others.
What they are accused of if found guilty then is very wrong indeed, and like has been said you dont really know what a persons capable of unless they go around with it tattood to their foreheads.


flashy
its ok, she's my new stalker, she loves picking at me, i and a lot of people on here have noticed it and we all think its hilarious

HEHEHE and I thought I was special :D

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i know nicola grundy.....oh dear

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Obviously not that special love, it's taken you 16 days to read that!:rolleyes:

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That because Ive better things to do than be on here thinking Im better than everyone Lindsay.
:rolleyes:

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i'd give you some if i could Mel, but i've to spread it around...well said xx

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Get a grip will ya your startin to sound like a buckied up twally!!!! People dont live on here despite the time they spend contributing. As for not wanting to be on first name terms with murders alledgedly or otherwise remember one thing all humans are capable of premeditaded murder which sets us apart from other animals. We put ourselves above animals but are the worst animals on this planet.

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and this is coming from a so called moderator too Spuggie, i'm ever so glad that someone else has finally realised what she is like

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in the words of harry hill


"fight!!!!!"

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Well I am up for it. :icon_argu:boxing_sm

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buckied up twally!!!!

Now thats a new one :D

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hahahaha

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now now Spuggie, it might end in murder, we dont want you to murder someone, we are all on first name terms with you, it wouldnt be right

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Can I hire a hitman then?????

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yes but as long as we dont know his first name then it will be fine ;)

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Will "The Vermin Exterminator" do?

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I was being polite. :D

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Who says its to be a bloke .... it could be a woman ... then it should be her!!!!:D:D:D:D

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Trust you :D

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well now I know what it means and im sat back in my seat I can fully understand your politeness :D

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I am polite well mannered well behaved (most of the time) and opened minded but get my back up an I will go steaming in like highland toffee with its backside on fire.

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Trust me what? Never heard of equality? :D:D:D

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Are you and Spug gonna be on the next accywebs most wanted ?:D

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Moi? Never be on the most wanted .. im a little angel and its been proved!!!! Have a nosy on facebook ... its on there somewhere i did a quiz and it came out that i was an angel.... plus my bail was only $250 .... tinks was $450 and slinks even worse hers was $750 .....

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Liar!!!!!:rolleyes:

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Nope that would be me on my own. I think it would be like cludo though in as "how did he do it" n "what with" sort of senario. So weapons would be fillit steak rack of lamb pork chop mouldy bread n choccy caramels. As for locations then it would be the kitchen loo back garden on the street in the shop n in the pub. :D At the moment I could murder ............ in the ............
because I am ..............

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Hey, don't go divulging my Bail conditions!! haha

Well Said Cherokee!! would give ya some karma stuff.. but I need to spread it!! and I aint as good as some for that!! so Ya'll have to wait :D:D:D Might bung ya some Chips in poker later though haha x

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Alan Street's killers get 61 years
Alan Street's killers get 61 years (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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If the sick rapist had been locked up for a decent length of time he would still be alive (if anyone cares about that) and the 3 who killed him would not have done.

Another cock up by our so called justice system.

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That doesn't excuse this Cowardly Scum from doing what they did, anyway its good riddance to them for a long time!!

Best Regards - Taggy

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If ... if ... if Neil. Still doesn't excuse the murder crime that was committed. Vigilante justice should never be tolerated.

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one of the convicted, the key should have been thrown away years ago.:rolleyes:

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i need friends on facebook..can i be your friend jen?..............

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i think there are cases where vigilanti justice is very excusable , it knocks me sick when i read about some poor sod getting arrested for giving the guy who raped his child a good kicking for example

if perverts were locked up for life they wouldnt be able to create more victims when released and would also be out of harms way from those whos lives they have destroyed

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Katex is right. Vigilante justice should never be tolerated, because justice should never be based on revenge. And not all convicted rapists are guilty. Guy Paul Morin was convicted of the rape and murder of nine-year-old Christine Jessop in 1984. William Mullins-Johnson was convicted of the rape and murder of his four-year-old niece in 1994. Problem is, niether man was guilty. Revenge is a heated spasm response to a horrible crime. Justice responds more slowly, and not always rightly, after a dispassionate consideration of evidence. I live in a country governed by the rule of law, and so do you. Let's be thankful that it is so. Let's abide by the rules that were set in motion as long ago as the reign of Henry ll.

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no excuse for lynch mobs..for the local community to dish out justice as they see it is anarchy, there is no room for it and does not fit in with society... it is easy for us all to be judge and jury but it is not a road to go down.

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i agree,accyman,,i shudder to think what would happen if anyone raped my grandaughter,,,i think my son would give them more than a good kicking,and you couldnt wish for a nicer guy

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So if vigilante violence is "excusable", what happens if they get the wrong person? Supposing Stefan Kiszco had been set upon by vigilantes in the mid-70's? Would that have been justice?

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why do people always drag up very old cases from before we had the technology we have now, if DNA evidence is good enough to free previously convicted criminals im pretty sure DNA evidence is good enough to condem a person today.

cant seem to win with some people, they accept DNA evidence to free wrongly convicted people but cant acccept DNA evidence to condem somone:rolleyes:

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DNA can be fabricated from detail on a database, so cannot be relied on if it is the only evidence.
You would be upset if the cops say they found yours at some crime scene and you didn't remember where you were when that crime was committed.

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I always thought that Alan Street got murdered in revenge for when he attacked Lennard in a pub, And not because Street was a rapist!

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Sorry, I didn't realise vigilante mobs had DNA evidence at their fingertips. Presumably, they carefully weigh up all the forensic evidence, with the help of detailed case notes, before carefully considering who the guilty person is. After all, vigilantes are generally of quite a high intellectual standard...like the ones who attacked a paediatrician's office, because they thought that was the same as being a paedophile.

As for not accepting, DNA evidence to convict an offender, could you direct me to the post where I've supported that? Strangely enough, I can't seem to remember it. :rolleyes:

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were talking about convicted people who dont get propper scentences or punishment , dont alter the argument to suit you.No one has mentioned dragging people at random off the streets for a good kicking its very clear we are talking about perverts who get let back onto the streets with a slapped wrist for commiting crimes like raping children and how in the majority of right minded people its is at the very least perfectly understandable for a parent to gleefully slit the throat of a person who had raped their child.

if you cant get your head around the fact that a parent would want a person dead and may feel like taking out tehir own measure of justice on the pervert then you are in a very small minority because every parent i know would want a person dead if they raped their child

if anyone ever molested one of my kids they would find themselves hanging from a tree with their throat cut but hey i might just be an over protective parent

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You're the one who's said vigilante violence is excusable. Problem is, what happens when it's meted out to the wrong person? Or can you expect a mob of vigilantes to make a considered judgement about whether someone's guilty or not? Obviously, you think they can...I don't.

As for longer sentences, I would totally agree with you, unfortunately, this present government (and probably the next one) don't.

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i actually said i think there are cases where vigilantism is excusable and i think i have covered the areas where i think it is.

ie: parents of abused children seeking their own justice that should have been handed out by the law


i wouldnt think it acceptable for a lynch mob to set after a shop lifter for example

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So, who decides what's acceptable and what's not? I admit if someone had abused my daughter, I'd be waiting at the gaol gates, but does that mean the police should turn a blind eye to me? What happens if the next case is someone who has committed GBH being attacked by the victim's family? And the next case is a burglar? Where do you draw the line? Sexual offences only? And who rules where that line should be drawn?

There is a simple and obvious answer to all this. More prison places (and by prison, I mean very basic accommodation with no home comforts) and a wholesale ratching up of sentences, real life sentences for murder, 30-40 years for rapes, serious assaults etc.

Sadly, that won't happen under this or the next government. :(

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nope and because it dosnt this is why some feel the need to take the law into tehir own hands.

i think its abouttime the law makers asked teh public what punishments should be handed out for very serious crimes liek rape, pedophilia and murder and alter the punishments accordingly.Also if tehre isnt a cell free for a prisoner make them top and tail in one bed until a bed becomes free or take away things liek computer rooms and stick beds in them until more prisons are built

stop putting peopel in prison for small crimes like pirating dvds ,selling cheap tobbacco or not been able to pay their council tax and put the tagging system to use there and make more room for people who we dont want walking our streets

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Still don't agree with vigilante justice, but would totally agree with most of what you're saying there.

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Unless he steals the last bottle of my favourite booze :rolleyes::D

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nab him , get the bottle back,drink the contents , smash empty bottle over shoplifters head , go to shop and pay for the booze , win win:D