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I'm surprised that people see crossing over the party line as an extreme move considering that one side suggests change and the other suggests conserving what we already have, respectively in their most basic forms.
There are many famous quotes from highly intelligent individuals highlighting this basic nature of the left and right wings for us. Is it so difficult to believe that a person can easily change parties with such ease? Surely once radicals have achieved what they were aiming for then they can only become conservative, unless what they initially thought was a good idea has led to something they didn't quite predict? Same goes for a 'conservative'... how can they say they are conservative if they are trying to change things? I'm not a political mastermind so I'm only wondering. It just seems slightly odd to me. |
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I do believe though, that people who cross party lines, or cross the floor of the House (we have a House of Commons too:tongueout) are often acting on principle, rather than swallowing their principles in order to toe a party line that they no longer agree with. And I do think that addiction to ideology sometimes takes a back seat problems of running a country in a complex world. Oh, and have yourself a Merry Christmas, eh:D and a happy and prosperous New Year ... Joyeux Noel et Bon Annee from the Great White North. |
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Politics at the age of 19 depends on which student bar you are invited to and who you fancy and what sort of a night you have had. The world is in a mess and that is down to the dumbo's who head the governments. I dont fully understand how politics work and I have been here a long time. Let the young lass have her head and reflect in the coming years where she went wrong. :) |
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I think half the problem here is that Conservative and conservative are not necessarily the same thing.
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Ii a survey of 100 mothers 99% agreed that Labour and labour are the same... painful :D |
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will vote for you.I reckon you could be up there with some of our past greats if given the chance. Enoch Powell and Churchill come stright to mind |
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Funny how few of the biographies of the "great man" mention his role as Colonial Secretary and his allowing Bomber Harris and the RAF to use poison gas against the Iraqi Kurds during the 20s (Seem to remember another chap got hung a couple of years ago for doing the same). If anyone is to blame for the debacle in modern day Iraq it can be layed fairly and squarely at Churchills feet , it was his decision to create an artifical country out of three distinct and separate Turkish villyats, divided by race and religon. It was his decision to place one of the foriegn Hassemite princes on the Iraqi throne ,which led to the creation of Baath party and ultimatly Saddam Hussien . |
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Switching parties as a voter is quite common - the 'floating' vote is what most people count on to get elected. Traditionally women are 'floating' voters who vote for whoever they think is the right person at the right time regardless of party.
So, although I don't know what went on at the meet on Friday night, and reading between the lines a little, I'm guessing that Blazey was lambasted by some members from switching from Conservative to Labour. If that's the case then i think that elected members in opposition have to remember that if they want to win then they need to win over anyone who is likely to switch allegiance. Blazey seems to me the ideal 'voter'. However, if we're talking about elected members who switch party half way through their term then I'm sorry but i don't like that. If someone wishes to leave a party on principle then they shouldn't walk across the house. Many people vote based on the party itself and not the individual so you are doing the people who voted for you a diservice by switching. By all means switch party but resign from your elected post and have a bye-election first. |
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If I was a politician sat in the House of Commons and I was already on the bring of defecting and my party said something to finally tip me over the edge, I think I would walk out, not attempt to walk across to the other party. What if nobody wants me :p
As for my politics, I've been Labour since October and nobody has really made a massive deal on it on here but since I started posting more regularly again it seems to be the topic of the conversation the moment a thread goes a bit quiet! I was a Conservative voter all last year at University and anyone who knows Lancaster's college system will know I am in the socialist college and took a full year of abuse for being 'the tory'. In fact I still take that in the Labour Club :p there is also 'the lib dem' (though I'd like to add he is slightly worse because he left lib dems a few days before the lib dem club fell apart). I was independent of all political groups at university last year and drank in the bars with both sides of the line. It didn't particularly bother me. Even now my views haven't particularly changed. None of the parties match my views perfectly so it doesn't particularly matter which I'm in really but if I am going to work for the uni and promote opportunities for all then my politics should ideally represent that as best as possible. The Labour Club at uni is old Labour so I'm currently alienated by them along with two other members but I still drink in my bar as usual. It has always had written above the bar on the chalkboards that tories aren't welcome to sit at the bar and I always have done in the same seat! I will do exactly as someone said though when it comes to the general election and vote for who is the best, maybe not just at that particular time, but most consistently. Sadly the Labour Club at University makes me reluctant to show any loyalty to the party but I think too much loyalty in politics is quite damaging anyway. |
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We usually vote to bring into power someone whose ideas we believe in, or to keep out someone whose ideas we dont. But lets face it whichever way we vote, if we are totally honest, in the long run dont we always end up dissapointed. I think most people enter politics with honourable ideas and motives. However once entrenched into the "system" they either become downtrodden and disheartend by red tape, or corrupted by power. Some of them of course are just completely incompetant. Now when you get the combination of the Corrupt leading the incompetant or visa versa we end up with a situation where no one can see the wood for the trees. The Greed of certain people is then allowed to flourish. We've seen this also in our once respected financial institutions. It used to be said that Estate Agents were our most hated profession, Perhaps they now come third behind Politicians and Bankers!
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Going out on a limb here, I think that the only person ever to enter parliament with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes:theband:
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...and then only because he'd been upset by the Hokey Cokey!! Lol!
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can find plenty of faults years after events.A man who never makes a mistake never does anything.A man who makes many mistakes does many things.If Winston would have never been born it would possibly be likely that you and I would never have had the oppurtunity to even type these quotes. |
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Hindsight is always one of the most treasured possesions of a Tap Room Genius!
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ha ha ha ill be doin that tomorrow because its christmas;);):Dareested for doin the hokykoky ha ha
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Would be very interesting to see what the percentage would be today! Best Regards - Taggy |
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The biggest problem in politics comes from those that think they know better but are not willing to put up and try and change what irks them. In this day and age it is the faceless minority that have the ear of polititions that are making are lives so unsure and I dont just mean bankers and financiers. Some day in the future we will realise that we have handed our lives to the faceless and the equivilent of Judge Dredd will run our lives. We will never have the utopia we want but while we have politics and a say we still have some control. |
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I think you would even disagree with yourself for the sake of it. You remind me of a relative of mine. If he ever would have entered a monastery or a abbey for over an hour you can bet the nuns and the monks would be in total disagreement with each other;) |
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Life would be pretty boring if we all agreed, wouldn't it :p
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Well I was a bit confused over this politics lark and was made worse by this from Wiki;
Politics is the process by which groups of people make decisions. The term is generally applied to behavior within civil governments, but politics has been observed in all human group interactions, including corporate, academic, and religious institutions. It consists of "social relations involving authority or power"[1] and refers to the regulation of a political unit,[2] and to the methods and tactics used to formulate and apply policy.[3] |
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In all your quotes that I have read where there is an issue conflicting with the interests of the British Goverment you defend. Hopefully theres not to many of your type in the forces :behead: |
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The problems that Ireland both north and south have had are to some extent self perpetuating. The thing is staying in Scotland I see a form of it as well and I find it disgusting. Politics and religion should never mix as there has been more conflict because of this than any other reason. People I know who serve in the forces have hope for the future and in their opinion its re-education that is needed. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and belief but to be made to suffer for that is wrong. Can you put forward a conflict whether military are civillian that dosnt have religion egging it on in some way?
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I lived in Scotland for three years, and was shocked at how much religion is part of politics up there, all fuelled by the press. I never expeienced any overt racism, in the cosmopolitan West End of Glasgow, and quickly silenced any attempt to find out which 'side' I was from, and my religious background, by saying I didn't support either of the Old Firm clubs, but Queen of the South.:D Mind you, it was a bit like that in Liverpool, when I was at college there. Perhaps you get people obsessed with religious divides anywhere there's a ferry terminal.:rolleyes: |
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in which Britain is today. :tongueout You horrible horrible little man you :alright:Accrington Burnley Blackburn Bradford have some of the lowest wages and house prices in the all of the UK and your calling me a dickhead your having a laugh you sympathiser :dogrun: |
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Belgravia, Mayfair, and Kensington, is full of people from many Asian countries, yet has some of the most expensive real estate on the planet. Cornwall has a very small immigrant population, and is suprisingly one of the poorest counties in England, with one of the lowest Gross Disposal Household Income per capita in the country, and that is reflected in the relatively low value of property there. For the reason this area has a relatively low property value, if £100,000 for a typical terraced house can be considered low value, you'd have to look back to why so many houses were built for the immigrants who flooded in to the area seeking a better life for themselves and their families...in the nineteenth century.;) |
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Cornwall is one of only four areas in the country that qualifies for poverty related grants from the EU. Apart from tourism, that is of course is seasonal, there are very few other industries there, now the mines are closed. |
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An interesting article from The Independent, about the hidden poverty in Cornwall.
Cornwall: A land of haves, and have nots - This Britain, UK - The Independent http://www.tearfund.org/News/A+hidden+poverty.htm |
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Charge them for services they don't use, sounds about right. Does this logic include somebody who rents their house out but currently have no occupant, although are keeping the house in top condition?
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Gordie we are now more confused than Geordie Bush. What was the rest of the remark????? |
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Or start singing 'I believe for every drop of rain that falls...' It's a |
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See that our Gordie has not been back to answer the question, maybe he was going to write Islam then got cold feet:D
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I reckon he probably retaliated and then thought it was a bad idea so edited it.
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You can't delete the post if somebody responds but you can edit... I think...
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