Pensioner dies at cash machine
 

Surprised no one has mentioned this news story , An Accrington pensioner driven to cash machine by bailiff collapses and dies .
question .....are these bailiffs employed by the courts (Govt. employees) or are they 'private' employees working for collection agencies working on a commision ?

Pensioner suffers heart attack and dies after bailiff drives him to cashpoint under 'duress' to pay speeding fine | Mail Online

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These characters are registered by councils and work for private companies in the main.

This makes very sorry reading for me..Andy and his wife Rose have been friends of mine for very many years and so too his younger children.
He was a very bouncy little character who could talk for England. :)
He was well known by some of the very many Stars who performed in The Cabin End when Andy was the Landlord.
My condolancies go out with deepest sympathy to all of Andy's family.

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The only consolation for the man's fmily would be for them to publish the bailiffs name and adress and let people go and harass him and his family ( although I doubt a bailliff has father )

No doubt some PC person will tell me he is only doing his job but they really are amongst the lowest form of human species :mad:

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Oh come on dave, human, thats pushing it a bit ain't it mate

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You can't do bad things with the excuse of "oh it's my job". I mean what if bailiffs were ordered to start roughing people up? Does that mean they would do it?

However I think the main blame lies with court bosses rather than the bailiff himself. According to the Telegraph, they were told about the guy's condition but they sent the guy out anyway/

I know people should pay their fines, but what can they be thinking to put the hard word on a guy who is clearly potless, a bit confused and with a poorly heart to boot.

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That should never had happened!!, A man dies for a stupid £60 fine, which resulted in £290 been added on for costs, because he was too ill too pay!!

This bailiff should be struck off, he should have klnown the man was ill, cuz for one , the poor chap wouldnt have looked healthy after suffering what he did, and he had no right taking him to the cash machine either:eek:, the poor chap must have been petrified!!
The prat is nothing but a big bully!!

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im shocked i used to work with this fellow a few years back he was such a grand bloke

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They all have their own methods and I'm sure a few of them will try that method :(

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Crazy stuff going on ... and the last statement in the article makes it even more disturbing ... any dun coming to my door would get the bum's rush and my lawyer's business card .... sad, real sad .... I have read many posts about how the "youth of today" have so little respect for the elderly ... now it seems as if the govt. and the courts have even less. This is pure, unadulterated BS.

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Eric....you dont know the half of it. These animals have been given the backing of the law, not only for pensioners but for everyone.
They try and in most cases get away with intimidation in the extreme.
The people who have let things slide...to put it loosly are the most vulnerable....and the majority of the people cant afford to pay anyway but are still hounded.
I do not agree with breaking the speeding law and have been done myself but hopefully the investigation that has been promised will curb the activities of these money grabbing leeches and bring to heel the ones who sign the court orders without due consideration for the individual.
It would not surprise me in the least that the pleas from the family are denied by the ones responsible for recording such details.
I have lost a friend and I am very angry.

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i heard this on teh radio and personaly i think the bailifs shoudl be done for manslaughter

these legalised thugs and others like them like the council like to employ should be given stricter guidelines but unfortunatly last year the govenment gave these thugs even MORE powers to cause misery and upset to people already in a bad situation which may have not been brought upon themselves by already unfortunate occurances

onve upon a time you had to be present for a bailif to take things but now they can break into your home wether you be out shopping or laying in hospital with no one to prove what they took or what they didnt take

lecherous scumbags need to be controled more not given more freedom to do as they please intimidating the elderly into their graves

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somebdy should send this story to the national rags

always thought bailif=scum

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The story has been taken up by the BBC.

BBC NEWS | England | Lancashire | Man dies during visit by bailiff

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Absolutely disgusted, What price a man's life? We now know, it's £60!

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Saw this on the news earlierand I thinks it absolutely disgusting that this bailiff should get away with it.
Agree with accyman they should be done for manslaughter.
thoughts go out to the guys family.

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I think you will find the story in at least one tomorrow ;)

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I didnt think Bailiffs were allowed to do that, i always thought it was illegal for them to take you anywhere (even if you requested it).

Bailiffs are not scum they do have a very difficult job, in no way am i excusing what this bailiff did as IMHO even taking someone to the cash machine is wrong, i just dont think all bailiffs should be tarred with the same brush as some of them are very polite and DO treat people with respect.

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sorry to disagree but the 'sphincter' responsible for this mans early death should IMHO (as been mentioned before) be named and shamed and photo published in local and national media, also the names of his parents and grandparents , just to show what a tow-rag they have produced . These people are nothing more than goons and enforcers whose IQ is probably equal to the combined number of digits on their hands and feet .

From the reports published it seems these goons are earning a £ 290 fee for collecting a £60 fine , I thought usurious interest rates were banned by the Magna Carta in 1215 , seems the Govt. resonsible for introducing these Laws has no respect for the basic tenents of English common law

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It all depends on the bailiffs and who they are working for

A bailiff is not allowed to 'break intoyour house', they eitherhave to be invited in, or find a way of entry that does not cause damage to your property, unless there is aoliceman present.

As soon as they enter your house, they are allowed to put a levy on your goods, ie see what you have that they can sell to raise money to pay the debt. If a bailiff knocks at your door, keepthem on the doorstep!!!

Many bailiffs 'try it on', its their job to collect money, and i'm guessing a lot are paid performance related bonuses and have targets to meet, but that does cause 'cowboy' chaps, that will twist the law or what they are telling you if they think that they will get away with it.

The companies that the debt osis to are often unaware of what is happening, in fact, they have generally sold the debt on, so they can no longer do anything. There are a coiupleofthings you can do tho.

(Incidentally I used to workfor the court service which is why I know a bit about it, I do pay my bills!!)

This matter is absolutely disgraceful and will hopefullyhighlight the bullying tactics employed by some bailiffs.

Thoughts to his family

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yup i suppose intimidating single mothers , the disabled and elderly is a very difficult job

i can see very clearly how much hard work it is to force your way past a young woman or other vulnerable person with your buddy and start clearing out what little lifes possesions they have

bare in mind most bailifs are sent round by councils that over charge people for council tax especially people on benefits who are already living on what the government says is teh bare minimum to survive and take a great chunk of that away even with deductions in the ammount payable

i could understand strong arm tactics against somone simply refusing to pay with a good income and plenty of money in the bank but these scumbags dont think twice about breaking into a poor persons home and taking what little they have even if teh sale of what they take will only make enough to clear a small amount of the debt they will take it regardless and keep going back for more

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new laws passed allow a bailif to enter by drilling your lock and as long as they leave your home secure you cant do nothing about it, i think also they charrge you for the locksmith which adds to the debt

thats what i remember been said on the news when they brought in new regulations,if i am wrong then fair enough but im pretty sure im right on this

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Bailiffs get power to use force on debtors - Times Online

legalised thugary :mad:

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apologies, its changed then

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How drilling holes in your house can be classed as not damaging it is beyond me.

This is screw up by this arse of a Government.

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So basically you want his grandparents to suffer for something they had nothing to do with?

This topic is going purely off the stereotype of what a bailiff is, nevermind the fact that there are thousands of bailiffs out there that do a decent job and never intimadate anyone.

There are good and bad bailiffs same with any job, they dont all deserve to be tarred with the same brush.

There are crooked cops, are all cops scum.....NO
there are peadophile teachers, are all teachers scum....NO
there are bad bailiffs, are all bailiffs scum.....NO

Sorry for the rant but i know quite a few bailiffs and dont think they deserve to be called scum:D

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Everybody dies sometime. This old man was in ill health, and old.

IMO the bailiff showed poor judgement in pursuing the debt from this confused old man (I know him by proxy- my wife nursed him) and poor judgement putting him in a car*.

The hospital (possibly) showed poor judgement releasing the man early. His family showed poor judgement leaving him alone. Those displays of poor judgement haven't media value, though.

I think everyone is overreacting to an extent. He allegedly did something wrong, the due process was followed, and it coincided with his death. Nobody likes speeding or parking fines, or bailiffs, but it's as likely that it was just his time to go as it was the events immediately before.

* I don't drive customers to locations for shooting as I'm not insured for it. The only time I've ever done it was last week, and it allowed a shoot to go on for an extra ½ hour, but once we were out of the shop we were friends not supplier/customer and so I was OK to drive her then- it wasn't for work.

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I doubt if he'd have popped his clogs if he had been sitting at home in his easy chair with his feet up having a nice quite brew. Okay, we all know that everybody has to go sometime, but I think this poor chap had to much help from this outside force and it should not be allowed to happen again, to anybody, they are playing god with peoples lives and its criminal to say the least

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Yes, I fully agree it was disgraceful behaviour, by a bailiff who has definitely overstepped the mark, and this sort of thing must never be allowed to happen again.

Just a thought occurs to me though. The report in todays's Express states that the man's family knew he had this fine pending, and was worrying about it while he was in hospital, so why on Earth didn't one of them pay it for him and take all the pressure off him? He could have paid them back later.

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Maybe they did not have the money themselves to pay it.

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It's in most of the tabloids today, and yet again Accrington gets portrayed , rightly or wrongly as the most undesirable place on Earth to live, come to Accy, we have murderous bailiffs, stray dogs that have been "ironed" , pub landlords getting beaten up and murders a plenty. I think I need a change of location.....:(

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Try a move to Oswaldtwistle :rolleyes:

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That is a pathetic response....you did not know the man at all.
When is the time to go? when some prat like you decides on the heresay evidence of your wife, who should not be discussing with you the cases in her charge...the time has come for a re-value of all ethics.
I knew Andy and he has been more help to more people than I can count.
Old what the hell has that got to do with it....I am nearly seventy and have experienced the ups and downs of life and am still here to tell the tale.
You are new in business and the think my best advise to you would be: Think before you open your gob. :rolleyes: or go public on Accyweb.

Andy was laid to rest today.........RIP Pal

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Firstly the fact he didnt know the guy makes his opinion honest, you knew the guy so your opinion on the matter will obviously be influenced by that.

Secondly he said his wife nursed him, he never said she had gone into details about his case, for all you know he may have only found out about this after the incident occured.

Thirdly i respect everyone to have thier own point of view but IMO bringing his buisness into this is completely irrelevent and has nothing to do with this topic.

END OF RANT.

ps. RIP to the gentlemen in question.

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I think your life has been short lived.
Read, digest and take on board what is being said here.
You have come out in favour of Ba.......s who caused this incident.
By reason of the fact that he said his wife nursed him...that was a breach of trust.
Having had experience (Have you) that comments like this can damage an up and coming business....I think you had better 'Gen Up' on the doe's and dont's of what is required in the real world?

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1. yes i am still young
2. The Ba.....s were not totally to blame for this, yet they same to be the ones getting all the htred directed at them.
3. i doubt that menmtioning a patient is under thier care constitutes a breachof trust, if it does every nurse in the world would be out of a job.
4. I genuinely dont believe that people will stop using somebodys buisness because they read something on a forum that they disagreed with, if anyone is that pathetic then they really need to get a life.

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[quote=Studio25;670022]Everybody dies sometime... He allegedly did something wrong, the due process was followed]

I am shocked!!! For all we know he was planning to contest the ticket before his coma, and even if not, the courts had been told he was confused and simply not capable...AND IT WAS JUST A SPEEDING FINE ANYWAY

The 'due process' is clearly inhumane. The conscience of a court official should have interfered with 'due process' when reading the advisory letter from the family, the conscience of the bailiff should have interfered with the due process when he came face to face with a frightened old man....

The reason we are all "over reacting" is because we are shocked and appalled at the due process... We want it changed before we are the frail old pensioners who have lost track of their finances...

I applaud the MPs, the press and the family for highlighting this issue on behalf of all the vulnerable people being hassled by (some) bailiffs unfairly,

Sorry to go on, but I have been left breathless by this insensitivity - what if it was your parent or grandparent? Would that be ok? Even if it was "their time to die" is it the way to die? Would anyone be ok with their loved one dying in that way? Frightened and alone?

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bailiffs are scum.anybody who makes profit out of somebodies else misfortune in my book are scum.they are out of scum remember huncoat the one who attacked that old man.gives you an insight all baillifs ive known were wan#### and bullies always praaying on the vulnerable and their excuse they were only doin their job.thay are part of whats wrong with todays society part of the ramnants of thatchers facist regime..

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But they ARE only doing their job, and if you really believe bailiffs are part of whats wrong with todays society, imagine what society would be like without them, NO fines would EVER get paid, everyone would have HUGE debts without having to worry about paying them off.

I always thought accyweb was quite an open-minded place but the vast majority of you are just going off stereotypes and judging all bailiffs by that image that has been painted in your mind, why not try seeing that in every industry there are good and bad, bailiffs just have a job that make them easy for people to dislike.

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To be honest, I think he's bringing his own business into it by the blatant advertisement with his sign in etc.

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I agree that they were doing there job in visiting the bloke to get the money owed, although not sure how much this has been twisted but was he actually forced to get in their car and go to the cash machine? or did he do this voluntarily? If they forced him in the car to take him there then surely this would fall under the catagory of abduction (as so many people pointed out in the snowball boy case) They have a job to do that no one is really going to agree with, and some may use heavy handed techniques in order to get what is owed to the company that they work for (which i dont agree with) but this is just one highlighted case where tragedy has followed what they have done in order to get the fine payed. This is unfortunate, and my heart goes out to the family and friends of this bloke, but it has fallen into the typical stereotyping of someone, which does get up my nose. I know someone who used to be a bailiff, and he was one of the nicest blokes ever, so would be unfair to call him a bully etc, they arnt all the same.

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Of course we need bailliffs and it would shake me to the core if I truly believed they were ALL bullies.

But you have to admit, we dont hear very much about what they do, not many people (especially the vulnerable) know their rights and I was very shocked to hear they could come to your door over petty matters like a speeding fine.

Surely these things should be handled sensitively in an open court room? And if a visit to a persons home is absolutely necessary shouldnt an independant official (someone whose not making money out of it) be there to amke sure everything is above board?

The way things are, untrained people, are getting cash for every door they get past. That cant be the way to encourage good bailliffs can it?

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I think that if a fine like that isnt paid then the person should be summonsed to court and the matter sorted out that way, or i agree it should be supervised in some way, maybe by a police officer or cso

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I am very sorry that this comment has appeared on the thread dedicated to Andy but he would have enjoyed this:
Smart arses who have very short memories regarding 'Blatant Advertising'
My link was put on here to draw comment, good or bad from the ones who are qualified to do so.
I have had a link to a previous website in my name for over two years and being perfectly honest I have not sold one thing from members on Accyweb. I have sold to a member on here but that was through contact on Ebay.
If I was informed by Mick or Roy to remove it, I would take it off.

Now, back to your comment.........remember this?

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...out-41623.html

I dont think I need say anymore? :rolleyes::)

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This is a very unfortunate and sad situation. IMO this fella should never have been taken to a cash machine by the Bailiff. They could have easily made arrangments to call back for any monies due.
This was an elderly guy who wasnt in the best of health. If that bailiff had an ounce of decency, they could have contacted the fellas next of kin and had it sorted in no time. But instead they have chosen a route that makes them feel superior and sod the consequences.
If, as has been said "It was this fellas time to go" then maybe he could have passed away in his home surroundings had the Bailiff not hounded and pushed for an immediate payment. .
This isnt even a case of Jobsworth. Its a case of brownie points and nothing else. Would even guess that the said bailiff even put his foot in the front door as soon as the guy opened it.(which they are not allowed to do) But we,ll never know will we. :mad:
RIP "Owd fella":(

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he used to be a bailiff why did he leave?ask him?

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My brother-in-law took a job as a baliff and hated it. He hated going to collect money off people who so obviously couldn't afford, the fact that he was adding to their worries obviously affected him badly. Maybe to be a baliff you have to be immune to other peoples distress, something he could never be. What did tick him off equally were the people who could afford to just write a check out when they visited.

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I actullay made the remark pointing to Speedys post saying that for you to bring Studio25's business into something on a forum was irrelevant. I was saying that when Studio has his business advertised on his signature, it is.

And I am actually oneof those petty people Speedy mentioned that would not do business with someone on here if I disagreed strongly enough with an opinion but then again I obviously have no life . I could name some examples but that would distract from the thread. In no way doI mean you though.

Incidentally, I did have permission from Mick to put that thread on, selling EX stock from when I did Avon. Not really advertising but selling stuff on cheap. If anyone wants to disagree or start up a debate with me, absolutely no problem, but lets do it on a different thread eh?

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Because he got divorced and moved away

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Very sad indeed,
the circumstances of this man`s death must be horrendous for his family.
I have always believed the work of a bailiff who deals with the public is the lowest job imaginable.I think some people should step back and think how they would feel if this man was a close relative of their own.
My sympathy to Andys family