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Gordie 19-01-2009 22:01
Leeds Muslims went on July 7th reconnaissance
 
The trial of three Leeds Muslims took place today for a second time.
The court heard the three defendants visited London in Dec 04 with two of the 7/7 bombers.Seven months later one of these bombers killed 13 passengers on a bus and the other killed 26 people on a train.
The three defendants prosecution QC said they shared the beliefs and objectives of the London bombers and were willing to assist them with their preperation for the London bombings.
All three are believed to have attended a terrorist training camp during a six weeks trip to Pakistan.
Why are the Pakistan comunity spokesmen not speeking out loud about this brain washing, regarding radical Islam and jihad in some of their communities.

lancsdave 19-01-2009 22:16
Re: Leeds Muslims went on July 7th reconnaissance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordie (Post 670743)
Why are the Pakistan comunity spokesmen not speeking out loud about this brain washing, regarding radical Islam and jihad in some of their communities.
I've been on here just over 2 years and not seen any of the community leaders posting. May be you could mail them directly and ask. Let us know what the answer is. ;)

garinda 19-01-2009 22:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordie (Post 670743)
The court heard the three defendants visited London in Dec 04
Some of those Christmas shopping saver fares are very hard to resist.

mani 20-01-2009 01:49
Re: Leeds Muslims went on July 7th reconnaissance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordie (Post 670743)
Why are the Pakistan comunity spokesmen not speeking out loud about this brain washing, regarding radical Islam and jihad in some of their communities.
because there is no such "job" "position" "person" who does that.

its a fictitious "vacancy" that exists in the media and in the minds of people who seem to think that the muslims once a month gather around to discuss what lovely politically correct court case we can submit for the readers of that lovely paper that is the daily mail.

its ignorant to even assume there's one solid pakistani community without even realising the complexities it goes into. just because our forefathers came from one country does not mean we all go giving each other the "secret" look which says sup bro? i know your a pakistani like me and i gotchya back. *wink*

there's no job as a muslim spokesmen either. islam is in so many various schools that if 1000 years of islam in the middle east cant unite everyone what hope does 50 years in the uk have?

and i would also like to take the opportunity to point out to anyone esp daily mail readers we are indeed all out to get you and your taxes and maybe your daughters though not if they're up in sunderland or stoke. your safe there.

thank you for reading

the international pakistani muslim spokesperson

Mani.

Neil 20-01-2009 06:56
Re: Leeds Muslims went on July 7th reconnaissance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mani (Post 670778)
because there is no such "job" "position" "person" who does that.
Maybe he should have used the term community leader then instead of spokesperson. The leaders appear to be the voice of the community which is the same thing, isn't it?

garinda 20-01-2009 07:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 670794)
Maybe he should have used the term community leader then instead of spokesperson. The leaders appear to be the voice of the community which is the same thing, isn't it?
Which 'community leader' speaks on your behalf?

Is 'community leader' the same as 'council leader'?

:D

Neil 20-01-2009 07:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 670798)
Which 'community leader' speaks on your behalf?

Is 'community leader' the same as 'council leader'?

:D
I did not say I agreed with the title of community leader. It is something that is mentioned in the news all the time.

The way the term community leader is used in the news, no it can't be the same as council leader.

yerself 20-01-2009 21:21
Re: Leeds Muslims went on July 7th reconnaissance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mani
if 1000 years of islam in the middle east cant unite everyone what hope does 50 years in the uk have?
So if pakistani's know and realise this why do they persist in associating themselves with this religion? Convert to Christianity, you know it makes sense.

garinda 20-01-2009 23:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself (Post 671053)
Convert to Christianity, you know it makes sense.
For two thousand years the Christian church has been the very picture of a united religion, and not one drop of blood has ever been spilled in it's name.

Well, not unless you count the Spanish Inquisition, or the troubles in Ireland, or having to kill the Fuzzy Wuzzies who wouldn't worship Jesus, or the Reformation, or....okay, there may have been a little disunity, but it was over an awful long time frame.

jaysay 21-01-2009 09:58
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I find it totally mind blowing that people can kill each other over religion, irrespective of which religion and for what reason. when you think about it for somebody to say I'm going to kill you because you don't worship my god, is well bloody crazy to say the least:mad:

emamum 21-01-2009 10:07
Re: Leeds Muslims went on July 7th reconnaissance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself (Post 671053)
So if pakistani's know and realise this why do they persist in associating themselves with this religion? Convert to Christianity, you know it makes sense.
i'm RC.. we killed Jesus :eek:
maybe i should convert to Islam so i dont associate myself with that.

MargaretR 21-01-2009 10:32
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Most religions have a murky past, and some a murky present.
The only exception I can think of is Buddhism - did consider it, but it is a rather extreme way of living.
If you can come to terms with living without a religion it does free you from being associated with all those horrendous crimes against humanity.

Gordie 21-01-2009 18:43
Re: Leeds Muslims went on July 7th reconnaissance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mani (Post 670778)
because there is no such "job" "position" "person" who does that.

its a fictitious "vacancy" that exists in the media and in the minds of people who seem to think that the muslims once a month gather around to discuss what lovely politically correct court case we can submit for the readers of that lovely paper that is the daily mail.

its ignorant to even assume there's one solid pakistani community without even realising the complexities it goes into. just because our forefathers came from one country does not mean we all go giving each other the "secret" look which says sup bro? i know your a pakistani like me and i gotchya back. *wink*

there's no job as a muslim spokesmen either. islam is in so many various schools that if 1000 years of islam in the middle east cant unite everyone what hope does 50 years in the uk have?

and i would also like to take the opportunity to point out to anyone esp daily mail readers we are indeed all out to get you and your taxes and maybe your daughters though not if they're up in sunderland or stoke. your safe there.

thank you for reading

the international pakistani muslim spokesperson

Mani.
What fictitious vacancy was the Ramadan foundation spokesman speeking for when quoting Prince Harry should now reach out and show his remorse to the Pakistani population ?
It`s ignorant to assume that people are not well aware that there are community leaders in all towns in Britain that have a Pakistani population and their influence is generally adhered to.
It`s also ignorant to assume that people are not aware that community leaders do gather around to discuss what politically correct course to take to further their agenda and speek out loud accordingly.
Nobody is saying there is one solid Pakistani community, but when issues arise and atrocities take place concerning people of these communities, there is often no condemnation from these supposedly, (your quote) fictitious leaders.
It would be interesting to hear your opinion regarding the three accused British born Muslim terrorists from Leeds :uzi:

Thank you for reading,
the international streetwise spokesperson
:ban:

Eric 21-01-2009 19:03
Re: Leeds Muslims went on July 7th reconnaissance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mani (Post 670778)
because there is no such "job" "position" "person" who does that.

its a fictitious "vacancy" that exists in the media and in the minds of people who seem to think that the muslims once a month gather around to discuss what lovely politically correct court case we can submit for the readers of that lovely paper that is the daily mail.

its ignorant to even assume there's one solid pakistani community without even realising the complexities it goes into. just because our forefathers came from one country does not mean we all go giving each other the "secret" look which says sup bro? i know your a pakistani like me and i gotchya back. *wink*

there's no job as a muslim spokesmen either. islam is in so many various schools that if 1000 years of islam in the middle east cant unite everyone what hope does 50 years in the uk have?

and i would also like to take the opportunity to point out to anyone esp daily mail readers we are indeed all out to get you and your taxes and maybe your daughters though not if they're up in sunderland or stoke. your safe there.

thank you for reading

the international pakistani muslim spokesperson

Mani.
As the bona fide spokesperson (glad to see you use the pc term;)) maybe you could tell me what "speeking out loud" is ... Is it some arcane muslim thing that Gordie has identified, or is his spelling as inaccurate as his analyses?:confused: And what is it about Stoke or Sunderland:confused: are the "daughters" there real butt ugly:eek:.

Good post bud .... :D

Less 21-01-2009 19:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by emamum (Post 671100)
i'm RC.. we killed Jesus :eek:
Well there you go and for about 2,000 years all the other Christians blamed the Jews for that!

Sorry Jews, you were innocent all along, it was the left footers.

:p

Eric 21-01-2009 20:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Less (Post 671259)
Well there you go and for about 2,000 years all the other Christians blamed the Jews for that!

Sorry Jews, you were innocent all along, it was the left footers.

:p
Maybe not .... there is a certain episode in "The Brothers Karamazov" ...... :)

West Ender 21-01-2009 20:13
Re: Leeds Muslims went on July 7th reconnaissance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by emamum (Post 671100)
i'm RC.. we killed Jesus :eek:

Er, no, not according to the Catholic New Testament (there weren't any R Cs for another couple of hundred years after Jesus). I may be a convert to atheism but I remember my R E O Level. :)

Mother Mary Magdalene, late headmistress of Paddock House (c. 1950s), would have had you crawling up the path from school to the dining hall on your knees and clipping the grass on the tennis courts with nail scissors as penance for that one, Em. :D

yerself 21-01-2009 21:06
Re: Leeds Muslims went on July 7th reconnaissance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by emamum
i'm RC.. we killed Jesus
I'm also RC, as West Ender has said the Roman Catholic religion didn't exist at the time Jesus was crucified.

SPUGGIE J 21-01-2009 22:01
Re: Leeds Muslims went on July 7th reconnaissance
 
Romans did the crucifiction then some emperor dude i think it was constintine decided to hitch his wagon to the movement hence Roman Catholics. No doubt I am wrong so will someone let me know. Anyhow Jesus is seen as a prophet in Islam its only the west the says otherwise.

As for brain washing by extremists of the isamic faith they aint doing nowt that christians aint done over the years. Even R.C's bent there own rules. We only have banks etc because it was decided that money lending and profit were best done by low and behold the Jews even though brain washing had them as satens spawn. Islam has done more for Europeans than Europeans will ever admit. While we were going to witches they had sciences that would on a like for like based on today would be far supirior. There will always be zealots in all religions. If you think back what were the Crusades about? Then compare it with what is happening today.

Gordie 21-01-2009 22:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric (Post 671256)
As the bona fide spokesperson (glad to see you use the pc term;)) maybe you could tell me what "speeking out loud" is ... Is it some arcane muslim thing that Gordie has identified, or is his spelling as inaccurate as his analyses?:confused: And what is it about Stoke or Sunderland:confused: are the "daughters" there real butt ugly:eek:.

Good post bud .... :D
What spelling and analyses would be inaccurate Eric

Gordie 21-01-2009 22:42
Re: Leeds Muslims went on July 7th reconnaissance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 671302)
Romans did the crucifiction then some emperor dude i think it was constintine decided to hitch his wagon to the movement hence Roman Catholics. No doubt I am wrong so will someone let me know. Anyhow Jesus is seen as a prophet in Islam its only the west the says otherwise.

As for brain washing by extremists of the isamic faith they aint doing nowt that christians aint done over the years. Even R.C's bent there own rules. We only have banks etc because it was decided that money lending and profit were best done by low and behold the Jews even though brain washing had them as satens spawn. Islam has done more for Europeans than Europeans will ever admit. While we were going to witches they had sciences that would on a like for like based on today would be far supirior. There will always be zealots in all religions. If you think back what were the Crusades about? Then compare it with what is happening today.
Are you on drugs
:joint::joint::joint:

emamum 22-01-2009 07:35
Re: Leeds Muslims went on July 7th reconnaissance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 671302)
Romans did the crucifiction then some emperor dude i think it was constintine decided to hitch his wagon to the movement hence Roman Catholics. No doubt I am wrong so will someone let me know. Anyhow Jesus is seen as a prophet in Islam its only the west the says otherwise.

As for brain washing by extremists of the isamic faith they aint doing nowt that christians aint done over the years. Even R.C's bent there own rules. We only have banks etc because it was decided that money lending and profit were best done by low and behold the Jews even though brain washing had them as satens spawn. Islam has done more for Europeans than Europeans will ever admit. While we were going to witches they had sciences that would on a like for like based on today would be far supirior. There will always be zealots in all religions. If you think back what were the Crusades about? Then compare it with what is happening today.
thanks spuggie, thats what i was taught (at catholic school lol) thought i'd lot my marbles completely lol

good post ;) karma sent

yerself 22-01-2009 09:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J
then some emperor dude i think it was constintine decided to hitch his wagon to the movement hence Roman Catholics
The emperor dude Constantine wasn't even born until over 200 years after the crucifixion.

West Ender 22-01-2009 16:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself (Post 671339)
The emperor dude Constantine wasn't even born until over 200 years after the crucifixion.


And the Romans who had jurisdiction over Jerusalem at the time were not Christians - so - not Roman Catholics (a term invented after the Christian church split into 2 factions, Roman and Byzantine).

There was a Christian faction after the death of Jesus, before Constantine, but to become a Christian you first had to be a Jew.

mani 23-01-2009 18:14
Re: Leeds Muslims went on July 7th reconnaissance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself (Post 671053)
So if pakistani's know and realise this why do they persist in associating themselves with this religion? Convert to Christianity, you know it makes sense.

*LMAO* yes of course

like the christian church is all unified and one and no one argues with anyone else and everyone agree's that homosexuality is a sin. at in islam we can all agree on that much! *L*

mani 23-01-2009 18:19
Re: Leeds Muslims went on July 7th reconnaissance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordie (Post 671246)
What fictitious vacancy was the Ramadan foundation spokesman speeking for when quoting Prince Harry should now reach out and show his remorse to the Pakistani population ?
It`s ignorant to assume that people are not well aware that there are community leaders in all towns in Britain that have a Pakistani population and their influence is generally adhered to.
It`s also ignorant to assume that people are not aware that community leaders do gather around to discuss what politically correct course to take to further their agenda and speek out loud accordingly.
Nobody is saying there is one solid Pakistani community, but when issues arise and atrocities take place concerning people of these communities, there is often no condemnation from these supposedly, (your quote) fictitious leaders.
It would be interesting to hear your opinion regarding the three accused British born Muslim terrorists from Leeds :uzi:

Thank you for reading,
the international streetwise spokesperson
:ban:

the "spokesman" is somoemne who's given his/her number to the press and is convieniently phoned.

and there is no condemnation as there are no leaders, no spokespeople no one. nada zip. keeping looking for that condemnation yeah?

as for the leeds guys

if they're guilty they're guilty. what are you expecting a justification from me? some lovely post where you can say oooh look this is proof muslims dont integrate within british society or some long posting sayin otherwise?

sorry mate i'm no spokesperson. i'm not paid to do that on accyweb!

sorry mick! *L*

SPUGGIE J 23-01-2009 19:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordie (Post 671313)
Are you on drugs
:joint::joint::joint:
No I have an open minded on a lot of subjects. When it comes to any religion you will find through history that a lot of stoking up is done by religious bodies. When religions mix with polotics we find the whole thing can end up in a shooting match quiet literally. I look at it all in context of what it is no drugs needed.

yerself 24-01-2009 21:21
Re: Leeds Muslims went on July 7th reconnaissance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mani
keeping looking for that condemnation yeah?
Let's look toward you mani. Do you support them or condemn them? Your own personal view, not as a local muslim community leader or representative of Accyweb. Just you, mani, your average member of the pakistani population.

Gordie 25-01-2009 14:01
Re: Leeds Muslims went on July 7th reconnaissance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself (Post 671999)
Let's look toward you mani. Do you support them or condemn them? Your own personal view, not as a local muslim community leader or representative of Accyweb. Just you, mani, your average member of the pakistani population.
I agree, a truthful opinion from a local muslim on this issue would be interesting.

Less 25-01-2009 14:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordie (Post 672182)
I agree, a truthful opinion from a local muslim on this issue would be interesting.
You have had a truthful opinion from a local Muslim,

Quote:
Originally Posted by mani (Post 671776)

if they're guilty they're guilty. what are you expecting a justification from me? some lovely post where you can say oooh look this is proof muslims dont integrate within british society or some long posting sayin otherwise?

sorry mate i'm no spokesperson. i'm not paid to do that on accyweb!

sorry mick! *L*
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jaysay 26-01-2009 09:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Less (Post 672184)
You have had a truthful opinion from a local Muslim,



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Don't bother about Gordie, Less, if you ignore him he goes away:D

Gordie 03-02-2009 13:37
Re: Leeds Muslims went on July 7th reconnaissance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 672492)
Don't bother about Gordie, Less, if you ignore him he goes away:D
I bet you tell tales about your neighbours, don`t bother about Gordie Less
you horrible little man you :D


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