MP's vote on hiding expenses Thursday 22nd January
 

On Thursday 22nd January MP's will vote on a bill which will prevent receipts from expenses becoming public under the governments own freedom of information act. They will still announce expenses, but in less detail, the detail simply scrutinised, in secrecy, by parliamentary officials.

Greg Pope the MP for Hyndburn, publishes his expenses on his website at Greg Pope - MPs Allowances although this is not completely transparent and detailed, which it would have to be if the bill tomorrow fails.

In any walk of life, you have to provide expenses receipts, to your employer. Your employer here being the public. Are politicians going to have separate rules when it comes to expenses? To maintain (or gain) trust in politicians, surely a vote against this bill from all sides of the house is a start. What do you think?

If you want your voice heard, e-mail [email protected] even if it is early Thursday when you read this. Greg is very good at responding quickly so I'm sure you'll get your voice heard. I really urge you to do this, let him know that as his constituent, you want him to vote against this bill.

An article on this: MPs to be exempt from publishing expenses | Politics | The Guardian

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I am all in favour of open government but -
too much detail may well reveal travel/location patterns and habits which could be used by terrorists to target a potential victim.
I have enough confidence in Greg Pope to not try to influence his vote

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I don't think anybody is encouraging MP's to reveal such details that might have a security impact. What I know I want it to reveal, is waste. Just think, if a majority of MP's do not vote against this bill then wastes like:

• £1,920 for plants and pergola
• £1,600 for cleaning the windows

To name just two examples, will continue to happen. MP's would stop and think before wasting public money if they were properly accountable to its spending.

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I think mp's expenses should be transparent, in my opinion many are still taking the mickey out of the current system, it should also be made clear which other business/charity they are involved with, and how much time they spend there, and how much they are paid, or what they are gifted.

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Harriet Harman, leader of the house, is understood to have pressed for the change after being lobbied by the Conservative 1922 backbench committee and the parliamentary Labour party committee, which both wanted to stop the release of the information.

Nice to see both major parties are united on something - the need to keep their snouts firmly in the trough! :rolleyes:

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There is also a Facebook group that has gained 7,000 members in just 3 days. You can join it and try spread the word here: I object to MPs concealing their expenses | Facebook

There is only 24 hours left to contact your MP if you feel it is important that we know how politicians spend our money.

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I don't think that these details have ever been published Margaret, well not in broken down form anyway, an MPs travel could be easily be monitored by the fact that most payments are from home to Westminster anyway, but its never published say which form of travel arrangements are used, be it car, train, bus or plane

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In a surprise move it appears that this vote tomorrow has been cancelled, after a question in Prime Ministers Questions asking why Mr Brown was whipping his MP's to vote for hiding the expenses receipts.

I support this and hope that it is a complete climb down. Hopefully Brown has realised that you cannot reunite trust in politicians if they are not accountable to the electorate over expenses.

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Too right its ours the tax payers money. They cant expect other taxpayer funded orginisations to do as they say when they wont. It is a 2 way street whether they like it or not.

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I'll bet you a pint that Harman finds some way of pushing it through. After all, it's not good Google Page Ranking for "the party of the working classes" to have MPs who spend nearly two grand on plants and over a grand-and-a-half on window cleaning. Much better to keep it all under wraps so that us proles never know about it. :rolleyes:

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An interesting question to ask is why was David Cameron in favour of this motion last week, neutral on it by Monday (i.e. he wanted his MPs to have 'free' or unwhipped vote) but opposed to it by Wednesday? Anyway, the motion has subsequently been withdrawn.

I have been publishing my own expenses for quite a while now and they can be seen on my website at: Greg Pope - MPs Allowances

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whats more interesting is andrew " Never" notices or comments on things with that slant on em.:D

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At a guess, because he suddenly saw the potential electoral advantage in seeming to advocate transparency on MP's expenses. Not that it matters, as his own lot are just as keen to have their snouts in the trough as Labour...but you'll never hear Andrewb say that! ;)

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Cashy your back, :dancedog::dancedog::dancedog:we've missed your wit, been a bit dull on here without ya:D

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He has the option to change his mind Greg, after all Tony and Gorden once supported CND:rolleyes:

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That's because its hearsay. ;) Either way we know full well that the 1922 committee tried to push this through, so the Conservatives are as wrong as Labour were. Just didn't get to see which way people would have voted. I imagine wastes will be found on both sides of the house when they are eventually revealed. What I hope is that publishing them will encourage waste to never happen again.

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Come off it, they'll never be revealed. Harman and her cronies will find fresh obstacles to put in the way of full publication of expenses. The freeloading and pure greed that would be revealed on both sides of the House if they were would be a national scandal!

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so you regard what "Greg Pope" says as hearsay? but if Cameron or his cronies say summat it aint. "Typical":rolleyes:

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This is true Andrew, but in most companies there are lots of directors, and wouldn't do to have each one scrutinising every Mars bar you bought or mile you traveled.

As the MP's employees, the public amounts to millions .. can you just imagine all the queries that would crop up with our questions. Think we just have to trust the people delegated to keep an eye on their spending.

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If the parliamentary expenses were published in full, by that I don't mead travel, which would be a nightmare, people wouldn't need to to ask questions it would be there for everybody to see for themselves

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Can see that side of it too Jaysay, but as you have probably attended lots of Annual General Meetings of groups at any time .. members always query the tiny spendings, like postage, etc. The main interrogative being 'Why ?'

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Side lining and having a pop, when the full post actually makes the hearsay joke irrelevant because I criticise both sides. "Typical" :rolleyes:

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That kind of thing coud be split up kate, its just the travel costs which would be a nightmare, because they get travell warrents to use on the train, plane and buses, pluse a milage allowance for there car if they drive

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what's wrong with using a travel lodge between £40-£70 a night ( oh most have no bars)

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Don't think that that's an issue magpie, most MPs who live miles away from the capital have accommodation near or close to the commons, they get an allowance for that, so very few would use hotels during there parliamentary work