Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 673147)

Where abouts on Blackburn Road was it?

Originally Posted by mick (Post 673149)

Its across from the garage near the chicken shop that also had its window put through just round the corner from me:)

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 673152)

20 policemen to recover cannabis plants:confused:
......they're not aggressive like triffids

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 673164)

No Margaret just the ones who smoke it:D

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 673165)

On the contrary - as one who admits "I inhaled" - I say the effect is the complete opposite to aggression

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 673176)

Another waste of police resorses and time.

Cannabis should be reviewed, re classed, for what it is a NATURAL herb.
I dont say legalize, just decriminalise.

I have watched most street wars, policy documentry type programs, and whats the problem I see, repeat after repeat ALCHOL.

The stats speak for themselves.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 673183)

But alcohol is also a natural product produced by yeast and sugar, many drugs are natural, unless you don't think poppies are natural.

Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 672703)

Dunno but used the place regularly for takeaway, haven't been able to get an answer since before Xmas, odd.....:confused:

Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 673195)

Had the same problem Lindsay, was good food there too!

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 673187)

Alcohol is the end result of a maufacturing process using yeast.
Heroin and opium are also the result of processing poppy seed heads.
Cannabis in its leaf form is not processed (other than naturally dried)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 673200)

Well not as you'd notice Margaret, only when you see rooms and even warehouses set up as specialist growing rooms with heat lamps to assist with the growing process:D not to mention irrigation systems too:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 673203)

They are only grown in artificial conditions because growing is illegal without a licence.
A variety of hemp plants are cultivated under licence in this country, in open fields without need of extra heat and sunlight

PS the source of legal seeds for home growing was bird seed
.............watch out for aggressive budgies;)

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 673203)

PS the source of legal seeds for home growing was bird seed
.............watch out for aggressive budgies;)

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 673216)

The seeds are not illegal as they do not contain THC.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 673183)

But alcohol is also a natural product produced by yeast and sugar, many drugs are natural, unless you don't think poppies are natural.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 673200)

Well not as you'd notice Margaret, only when you see rooms and even warehouses set up as specialist growing rooms with heat lamps to assist with the growing process:D not to mention irrigation systems too:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 673218)

Excuse me for being thick Neil, but whats THC:confused:

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 673223)

You could leave a cannabis plant in the open and smoke it once complete and dried with no further processing, like a apple.
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Originally Posted by emamum (Post 673224)

ive never smoked an apple :D

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 673225)

I am a strong believer that laws should be changed.

Pharmacutical companies (the evil in our midst) will not let it happen because they are busy synthasising and patenting the chemicals in it, for sale at inflated prices to our cash strapped NHS, for pain relief for arthritis

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 673223)

You could leave a cannabis plant in the open and smoke it once complete and dried with no further processing, like a apple.



Thats because its driven underground. They are not Heat lamps the are high powered sodium lights.



Tetrahydrocannabinol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am a strong believer that laws should be changed.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 673299)

I feel sorry for anybody who feels the need to take any substance just for kicks, its bad enough having to take prescribed drugs let alone illegals for fun:(

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 673307)

Perscribed drugs I bet will be worse for you, the medical possabilities for cannabis are just being seen.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 673316)

You obviously haven't had any serious health problems to make a statement like that

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 673328)

Maybe not, but whats that got to do with it.

BBC NEWS | Health | Doctors 'recommend cannabis use'

Not bad 45% say cannabis worked better than perscribed medicine.

Do a bit of googling on the uses of cannabis, you will see its not all that bad as some people make you believe.

Even Obamah Has a Opinion.:D
YouTube - Barack Obama on Marijuana Decriminalization (2004)

Originally Posted by emamum (Post 673511)

you can eat it jaysay :D

Originally Posted by emamum (Post 673511)

you can eat it jaysay :D

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 673328)

Even Obamah Has a Opinion.:D
YouTube - Barack Obama on Marijuana Decriminalization (2004)

Originally Posted by Morecambe Ex Pat (Post 673773)

There are convincing arguments from both sides of the legalising cannabis fence.
Medical use has been promoted for a number of years for conditions such as MS.
I have very limited experience of its medical use so would prefer to comment on the aspect I do have experience of which is social use.

The experts against legalising/non criminalising it tell us that it is addictive, causes paranoia, leads to the use of more powerful substances and turns people into social degenerates.
Smoked in small quantities, cannabis can be enjoyed as a recreational drug and the user suffers no after effects at all. It isn't addictive and does not automatically make the user want to try something stronger. It invokes a state of mild contentment and a feeling of extreme well being. In that respect, it is just the same as alcohol which when taken responsibly, creates a very pleasant atmosphere and causes the user no after effects at all, except in the case of alcohol a hangover the following day.

On the other hand, over use of cannabis does cause mental anxiety and can trigger some very serious mental problems. Smoked in large quantities, it is a very dangerous substance indeed.

Most cannabis smokers and alcohol drinkers take their chosen substance in controlled quantities and having enjoyed the effects, return back to their normal mental state and carry on with their lives.

Heavy smokers and heavy drinkers on the other hand, just don't know when to stop. Binge drinkers will quite happily drink themselves into oblivion and try the fight with the rest of the world on the way to the kebab shop after a session.
Heavy smokers will exceed the feeling of contentment and enter a state of near unconciousness. In the same way that excessive alcohol can damage vital organs of the body, cannabis too can damage the body, particularly the brain. Small amounts of cannabis have little, long term, effect on the brain but increased use can severely affect short term memory and induce paranoia.
The Government seem to have a strange attitude towards what we as the general public are and are not allowed to do. They make laws preventing us from using harmful substances such as cannabis yet allow the purchase of other, far more dangerous things such as Alcohol and Fireworks to be perfectly acceptable.
I respect the wishes of people who do not wish to smoke cannabis in the same way that people can choose not to drink alcohol or eat meat etc. but I do object to not being allowed to make a choice.

Just for the record, I would not even consider taking any of the white powders and mysterious tablets which are available these days, common sense tells me that they could contain anything. I have also seen first hand how such substances can turn coherent human beings into non functioning zombies in an alarmingly short time.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 673794)

I actually think that you put a valid argument across here, but I think the Governments thinking in this case is not the actually smoking of cannabis, but the fact that doing so leads to addiction of other narcotics such as Crack Cocaine and Heroine. Its widely understood that the vast majority of drug addicts who use hard drugs start on the downward spiral by smoking cannabis

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 673794)

Its widely understood that the vast majority of drug addicts who use hard drugs start on the downward spiral by smoking cannabis

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 673800)

You really dont have a clue.

It people like you that give an opinion but do not have the foggiest idea what it REALLY like.

Cannabis leads to addiction to Crack Cocaine & Heroine, dont be so pathetic.

"Its widely understood that the vast majority of drug addicts who use hard drugs start on the downward spiral by smoking cannabis", says Who THE SUN newspaper.

If anything, Class A Drugs, Cocaine, Anphatamine (SP) Ect are mainly used by DRINKERS to help them when they GO OUT, to KEEP UP as they cant as tehy have DRUNK to MUCH ALCHOL.

As for Smack and Crack Cocaine, you find that more likely you use/try it because you assossiate with that group of people, not becaue you had a smoke of cannabis.

Do some checking up on FACTS.

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 673800)

You really dont have a clue.

It people like you that give an opinion but do not have the foggiest idea what it REALLY like.

Cannabis leads to addiction to Crack Cocaine & Heroine, dont be so pathetic.

"Its widely understood that the vast majority of drug addicts who use hard drugs start on the downward spiral by smoking cannabis", says Who THE SUN newspaper.

If anything, Class A Drugs, Cocaine, Anphatamine (SP) Ect are mainly used by DRINKERS to help them when they GO OUT, to KEEP UP as they cant as tehy have DRUNK to MUCH ALCHOL.

As for Smack and Crack Cocaine, you find that more likely you use/try it because you assossiate with that group of people, not becaue you had a smoke of cannabis.

Do some checking up on FACTS.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 673806)

I'm talking from a point of view that I have never found the need to take illegal substances of any kind, if there was no danger in smoking cannabis then it wouldn't be classed as being harmful. I have used alcohol since I was 16 and am now 62 and have never been dependant on that either, I also smoked tobacco too, but gave that up 31 years ago on the 26th Jan 1978. So we will have to differ on substance abuse, if you want to smoke the stuff carry on its you body and your health that's at stake, not mine:)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 673806)

Its widely understood that the vast majority of drug addicts who use hard drugs start on the downward spiral by smoking cannabis

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 673806)

but the fact that doing so leads to addiction of other narcotics such as Crack Cocaine and Heroine

Originally Posted by emamum (Post 673814)

jaysay.... i think what mr d is trying to say is that saying that if you smoke cannabis you will start taking hard drugs is like saying that all smokers will start smoking cannabis
does that make sense?

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 673815)

Or drinkers will drink meths/absynth. :D

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 673825)

with mrd on this, as one who smoked cannabis from mid 60s to 73 ish pretty regular, i never found the need to graduate to "Hard Drugs" heavy abuse of any substance leads to complications, any fool, except a government fool is aware of that i imagine.i reckon anyone who has used it, (not to extremes) would say there is more pluses than minuses to it.:)

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 673815)

Or drinkers will drink meths/absynth. :D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 673831)

Whats it like with coke (the drink that is):D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 673829)

Ya cashy but you had will power:D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 673839)

Of course not every user of canabis is going to go on to harder drugs, just as all those who drink alcohol don't all become alcoholics.

What I do know is that every smack head I've known started off on the wacky-backy. Fact.

Personally I think it should be legalised, because like prostitution, legal or illegal, it isn't going to go away, and with a legal status it's safety could be controlled to some extent...plus the government could raise lots of taxes from all those dope users.:D

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 673835)

Far more people are addicted to painkillers than cannabis, and their bodies are more damaged by those painkillers
The silent addiction to everyday painkillers | Mail Online

That very strong painkiller that you say you take, Jaysay, will be an 'opium derivative' - which translates to 'having the chemical constituents of opium' but more costly because it is manufactured and sold to the Nhs at an exhorbitant cost by pharmacutical companies.
If you had to pay for those painkillers you may well find that it would work out cheaper to grow poppies :D

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 673842)

Supprising as it sounds I dont want cannabis to be legalised.

I would go for decramanilisation (SP).
In my view rules like this would be better.

You can possess a certain amount on your person in Public.
You can possess a larger amount kept on your premises.
You can cultivate a certain number of plants for Personall use only.
You cannot smoke it in a public area

All the smack heads I know also started of on the drink - Fact.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 673934)

Why would you not legalise it though, seeing as you proclaim it's benefits?

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 674074)

I would not legalise it as could be abused, and then become a problem, more just let those who use it for whatever reason do so for personal use without fear of prossicution. (SP)

Anyone who can benefit medically from using cannabis should be allowed, without being a law breaker.

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 674081)

The law on cannabis was changed the other day from class C to class B... but still states that 1st offence for possesion is a caution..upgraded to a court procedings for supply and gaining income from selling... even at that stage the court guidelines are to fine the offender.
If you condsider smoking cannabis as drug abuse then to legalise it would definatley increase the use of cannabis but increase Goverment income through high taxes on the substance...but then just as tobbaco there will be people eager to undercut by selling it cheaper without tax.. so back to square one!

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 674108)

If all those that like a bit of weed skunk black soapbar etc were taken to court and even jailed we could fill the prisons twice over. It is a habit that like smoking has a fair wack of bods in its grip and with more serious damage in the long term.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 674110)

same with drinking spug, anyone does it to excess is likely to get serious damage.:)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 674107)

Even though cannabis has recently been reclassified from Class C to Class B, it still sounds highly unlikely that someone would face court proceedings unless they were supplying it.

Cannabis | Home Office

I'm still puzzled as to why some people think it would be 'abused' more if it was legalised, than it is now.

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 674140)

Because if it was legalised it could result in more people who wouldnt of normal used it to give it a try, Im not after encouraging people to use cannabis, just those that do for personal reason be free from prosicution. (SP)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 674153)

But they'd also be free from prosecution if it was legalised, and since it's current usage seems quite well spread, and it's as harmless as you claim, what's the problem if more people tried it?

You seem to want to have your cake and eat it too, free from any responsibility, and taxation, that legalisation would bring.

Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 674458)

only if It's Space Cake.:D:D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 675633)

Tonight's Horizon, BBC 2 at 9 pm, looks scientifically at the pros and cons of cannabis.

BBC - BBC Two Programmes - Horizon, Cannabis: The Evil Weed?

Originally Posted by panther (Post 675650)

Sounds interesting, but its on when CSI is on, so i wont be watching, but i migt flick over when adverts are on!:D

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 672680)

yeah teh police were doing a raid but unfortunatly got the WONG number

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 675633)

Tonight's Horizon, BBC 2 at 9 pm, looks scientifically at the pros and cons of cannabis.

BBC - BBC Two Programmes - Horizon, Cannabis: The Evil Weed?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 675717)

In California, where cannabis can be legally prescribed, a doctor was asked if he'd prescribe the drug for 'writer's block', as well as the more regular ailments of 'pain' and 'fatigue', and the answer was yes.

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 675721)

not sure what was shown on the TV program but this is a bit of an update
Attorney general proposes sensible rules on medical pot

a few years back California voters approved "medicinial marijuana" for folks who needed 'homeopath' (sp?) relief from wasting/painfull medical conditions ...ok, I think , its not a bad idea I'll vote for it , knowing full well that that this was 180° opposite to U S Federal law , but what the hell , it was on the ballot so I voted for it for humanitarian reasons .
What you need to know about the US and States rights in particular is that any group can get a law/by-law passed in their local area/county/state is by collecting enough signatures (not sure but I think its 10% of registered voters in the area to get the item on a ballot )
the proponants ran a good election , great TV ads etc. so the ballot passed .......only problem , the US has private medical system and there was no way for drug stores/chemists to be part of the distribution system (they would be violating Federal/National law) so it was decided that private Cannabis dispensaries/co-opratives be allowed to operate with the proviso that any "patient" provided a doctors prescription was presented , Doctors in the US work for money , not the betterment of humanity instantly jumped on this as a money making scheme and began writing out re-fillable scrips out for anything at $50 a time . Cannabis clinics stated popping up everywhere without any control selling the stuff for cash only ......what happened ...every low-life gang-banger decided the areas and car parks around these places were ripe for picking , not only were the patients being mugged but the "clinics" were ripe for armed robbery for the cash on site , requiring the need for on-site armed guards........enough was enough , the Local Govt. association finally got permission from Sacramento (State Capital ,Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger) to regulate these places and most of them have been closed down .