How could we deal with doggy issues?
 

We have had a few dog related threads recently. Dog dirt, attacks on kids etc.
So what can we do to resolve these problems?
I think most people will agree that most dog problems are caused by irresponsible dog owners.

DNA testing of dogs was mentioned in another thread.
This might sound daft and expensive but it could work.

Here are my initial thoughts, anyone have any better ideas?

All dogs have to be licensed, DNA tested and ID chipped - this would of course be at the expense of the dog owner.

License cost could be say £50 per year. Money goes to local authority to help with doggy costs like maintain doggy ID database and fund dog wardens / dog bin emptying etc.

Random checks by dog wardens on dogs to check for chips. Any unchipped would be taken away and if not claimed within 7 days would be put down. The claiming owner would of course be fined and have to pay for registration, DNA testing and chipping.

Dog dirt found in public places could be tested and the regestered owner fined. Repeat offenders could have dog taken from them.

Any dog bite/attack victims could be swabbed for doggy DNA and the responsible dog and owner delt with accordingly.

What do you think?

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all dog owners USED to have to have a license for a dog, what happened to that?

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think some sensible ideas there , but would say the animal control dept.( local dog-catcher) should be self financing and separate from the rates , why should non-dog owners be responsible for paying fees to control a problem not of their making. Okay its another department of bureaucracy within the Borough council , but if dog licenses went to the local administrative area (where do Dog License fees go now ? used to be you bought them at the post Office and the money went to London) dog and other animal license fees could be set to reflect the local areas problem .

just my thoughts ;)

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I think the dog licence should be reintroduced.

Though it may see the number of people owning other pets increase, which don't require a licence.

The chavs might start breeding fighting cats, to pose around town with.:D

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ok , that answers my question , dog licenses have been abolished :D

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They were abolished in 1987.

I think the price of one wasn't enough to cover the administration needed for having them.

They cost at the time they were abolished was 37.5 pence.

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sounds ok, think the cost would be prohibitive though.can,t see licences funding it with what would be involved. the cheapest way fer me,would be to target offenders n bounce em when caught. if the fine fer dogs crapping was severe enough, i reckon the message would soon come across. other matters should also be increased in severity.:) n we own a dog.;)

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attachment showing dog license fees in my local area , each city/town has a different fee
East Bay SPCA
interesting to note the difference between spayed/neutered dogs and 'whole' dogs

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Is it only that long since Rindi, thought it was before that. My parents always had a dog, well from when I was about 12 year old, I know they had a licence for the first dog they had but can't remember after that, but in any case the fee was way to low 37.5 pence. I agree with a lot of what Neil says especially the fee of £50

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the Germans seem to know how to deal with the problem ...
German town plans dog DNA database to stop fouling - Telegraph

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ideas good, but its only voluntary so the scummys just won't register.:rolleyes:

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We have discussed this problem before
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...e-32231-2.html
Neil's proposals are sound.

Are there any other extreme anti dog persons like me who would ban them from towns and cities?

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NO, not me ....just responsible ownership/guardianship

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Yes I am with you : apart from guide and helper dogs

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erm.... slightly off topic but what happens if a guide/helper dog fouls in a public place?


does the dog have to pick it up itself ;)

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No they crap in braille.:D:D

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That's when it was finally abolished. I think it hadn't really been enforced for a good few years before that.

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Have you lot ever thought that there are some decent dog owners about, some of us do clean up after our dogs.

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yeah but just like every thing else, its the bad ones that spoil it for everyone.

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There probably are but are there many like me that would ban pensioners too, don't know whats worse, dog muck under your feet or the pensioners, at least you can get past the dog muck :D

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Your time will come

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Since the responsible owners already spend a fortune in caring for their dogs well, perhaps the reintroduction of a licence, and taking responsibility for registering, chipping etc., might dissuade the irresponsible from owning dogs, and everyone will be happy, because the decent owners, like yourself, won't all be tarred with the same brush,;)

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There are plenty of decent dog owners K.S.H. but its the irresponsible few that get all dog owners a bad name, I see plenty of people walking their dogs near to where I live, and its a long time since I saw anybody not cleaning up after their charges, that might just be because they see me watching:D

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Whats good for dogs should be good for Cats.

Enough Cat Poo In my Yard (I dont have a cat). DNA to Find the irrisponsable cat owners who just let it out to do what they wants.

And what about cat let loose, causing a car accident, we should chip them to so if it does cause the above, the owner can be traced and held accountable.

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True enough, I suppose.

Also true is that you don't hear of many kids been mauled to death by cats.;)

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Depends what type of cat.;)

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I would add Compulsary Third Party Insurance.

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If we gave the contract for revamping the Market Hall to a group of Korean Workers they'd soon solve the problems for us!! Labrador and Fried Rice anyone!!!:D


Best Regards - Taggy

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:mosher:... wasn't it cheaper if the dog was black & white???

I'll get my coat...:dummy2:

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Surprised Garinda hasn't queried the varying prices in different areas .. dog pooh, dog pooh just the same wherever, except might be a better diet in some LOL. (sorry, I couldn't resist this one either :p)

Don't think you will see pension age with remarks like that K.S.H. :D

I still think the cost of Neil's suggestions would over-ride the benefits here.
Would certainly need more than one dog warden in Hyndburn to test all the dollops.

When it came in, there would be people on benefits/pensioners, who already owned a dog and could not afford these new charges, to make some sort of claim for an allowance to allow them to keep them .. otherwise, would they have to have their animal put down ? More expense.

Even so, this would be prejudice against low income families from keeping a dog as the costs would be prohibitive.

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Well one would like to think that a nice caring member of society would help out....
But I don't think so....

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As far as I know guide dog owners are exempt from fines.

Saying that I can't remember ever seeing a guide dog fouling the pavement. Possibly part of their rigorous training in the first place, to do it in their own back yard? Regular eating pattern and regular doodoo pattern.

It seems these days so many dog owners take their dogs out mainly to do their business, rather than for exercise, because they don't want to clean up after them at home.

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The simple solution to dog mess is to adopt the following steps:

1) Any dog found wondering on it's own should be taken to the nearest police station where it should be immeadiatly put down. A reward could possibly be given to the person delivering the said pooch.

2) Any owner turning up at the cop shop enquiring about Rover being missing should be arrested at once and charged with the criminal offence of canine maltreatment.

3) Any owner allowing their dog to crap in the street should be immeadiatly arrested by a constable or dutiful citizen, fined a minimum amount of £5000pds and/or six months sweeping the streets.

4) Ditto for cats.

These measures will soon sort out the problem.

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seems like tealeaf n i are singing from the same hymn sheet.:D

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Some dogs can easily be trained to empty thier bladder and bowel on command, and in a certain place, this may be the answer to the guide dogs not fouling the street, tealeaf, ya close, but a bit harsh, Neil, cracking idea.

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Here here Rindi i know first hand how much being a responsible dog owner costs im all for making chipping compulsary all mine are KC registered i just wish that someone would seem fit to introduce a new dog license or some kind of register.I do think and this is my own opinion that if so called pet owners didnt breed from from their dogs and stopped selling to unsuitable people part of the problem would cease.also i think its time the powers that be clamped down on all the puppy mills out there along with the BYB.if you are going to breed from your dog you should have to hold a licence,see ive a huge problem with people who breed from their dogs without a care of what their temperaments are like of the other dog.just cos someone thinks they own a nice dog doesnt mean the dog is of breed standard and good enough to breed from.

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Lifes a Bitch kate, lifes a bitch:D

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We can take it that your not a Dog or Cat lover then Tealeaf:D

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Before this government introduces yet another law it should make sure that it is willing and able to enforce it rigorously – otherwise what is the point.

The law abiding will buy a license but those who are not will not. Thus it would be up to the ‘dog warden’ to find those who are not licensed.

Imagine the scene – there you are walking your dog when the ‘dog warden’ appears with “is that dog licensed?” whips out his scanner device and scans the dog.

Unscrupulous dog owners who are not prepared to pay the license or can’t afford to will just chuck the dog out onto the streets. They do it now when that ‘cute’ puppy isn’t quite so cute anymore or hasn’t been trained properly.

Then there are the millions of pensioners many of whom have a dog as a companion, particularly if they are single.

Sorry Neil but licensing dogs is a crackpot idea that will produce more problems than it solves.

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That is the idea yes.

So they would be taken away and if not claimed put down. End of problem.

If that is your opinion than thats ok by me. Do you have any better ideas on how to control the problems associated by poor dog ownership? Mainly fouling and dog attacks I was thinking about.

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While I don't disagree with licensing dogs (or perhaps the owners) I think the suggested sum of £50 is waaayyy over the top, so far that i's just not going to happen.

People will still keep dogs, responsible ones will buy a license (thats likely the same ones that do pick up the doggy poo) and the others will just not bother.
With either the license or the doggy poo. :D

And there is no point saying dog wardens will take the dogs away, that just wont happen to them all either, only a few.

Some people just don't give a toss, about either keeping to government rules or in keeping our streets clean no matter what suggestions or ideas you have, you cant change it because they never will.

This is NOT an argument against your suggestions, just an opinion.

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That is cheap, I was going to say £100. £50 is less than £1 a week.

Don't forget those that don't pay would have the dog taken away and a fine for having an unlicensed dog.

What fine shall we set £1000 or maybe £2000? What do you think?

While we are at it lets make it a fixed fine per dog not one of those woolly up to £1000 type where they really only get charge £50 by some soft arsed magistrate.

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Thats exactly it though, because no they will not.
They will not get caught, they will not pay any license fee.
IF the authorities were to get onto them they will just abandon the animal
then later on get another.

Heck, next you'll be suggesting that they might need to have a TV license too :D

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The types of owners you are on about are probably the ones that let it wonder the streets anyway. These are the ones we want taking away.

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I have just found this info about a new Hyndburn by law regarding dogs.

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Another one that annoys me - there is an elderly lady on Milton St who has an elderly dog, neither of them can move very fast! The lady lets the dog out onto the street, he sets off for a walk on his own and by the time he gets to our house is too knackered to go anywhere else so takes a dump outside our back gate and then waddles home! Every single flippin' day!!!!!!!!

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I agree with Neil - owning a dog should be made expensive in order to reduce dog numbers.
As for those who need an animal for companionship - companionship with people is a better option (it may demand that you behave better, but costs nothing)

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Report it then.

That is a good reason why old people should not have dogs :D

Better still collect the piles and return them to the old dear.

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Thirty years ago many people kept tortoises as pets, because they were cheap to purchase, and required no licence.

Since legislation was introduced in 1984, requiring a licence to sell them, thus pushing the purchase price up, the numbers being bred and kept as pets has fallen dramatically.

Legislation can work.

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I think I know who you mean.

She always reminds me of Julie Walters in Two Soups.

YouTube - Two Soups

I'd have it bagged up and ready to give it her, when she eventually gets to you. I don't know her, only to say hello to, but she seems a nice old dear, and I'd explain just how annoying her little pooch is.

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What we need is the chavster back. He would have had an innovative to deal with Gayle's problem.

The doggy poop problem that is.

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Even when you try and work with the council it is still near impossible to get anything done about dog foul.

My drive is around 1/4mile along and a public footpath. Everyday people drive to the top or walk and then walk down my lane and let there dogs foul everywhere!!!!. The kind ones actually use a doggy bag and then place it on a tree or somthing. I paid for 2 dog bins. They got stolen and the dog warden just states he does not have time to be in our area.

I own 2 dogs, there working Labradors and earn more a year then some people on minimum wage. I always clean up after them, there always on leads in public places and actually have jobs!. Although Chavs are a problem, its the middle class population which seem to treat my property like an open toilet.

Rant over :dummy:

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Don't give up, take the problem to your local councillor. You could even raise it as an issue at the next Area Council Meeting for your area. You should not have to put up with someone else's mess.

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Just make sure you're wearing gloves when you take it to 'em.:D

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You joke but taking a bucket full of examples would certainly show how big a problem it is.

Once noted on the Area Council minutes they would be more likely to make sure the dog warden they employ does something about it.

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I have had 3 'on site' meetings with people from the council and the only productive thing to happen was that they gave me a large number of orange plastic sacks to clear up the rubbish. I get 2 full bags a week of household rubbish out of the trees and hedges a week. As for the dog foul. Just went out and counted 23 fresh piles within a 24hr period and this includes toilet roll which some owners use to prevent there little dogs fur becoming clogged with foul.

i somtimes walk down the field to Wilson Playing Fields, this is in summer around 6am, without fail you see the same people who have actually driven to the site allowing there dogs to foul on the fields!.

But the cherry on cake is when some human scum decide they will take a toilet stop in your garden or property. A Clayton running team did use to run past alot and when they had a big race i caught a dirty bas!ard fouling in my garden and everyweek somone fouls in the Grave yard at the top of my lane. So dogs are a problem but humans can be even worse!!!!!.

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How many ‘dog wardens’ would Accrington need? A small army I’ll be bound.
It’s not the dog’s fault that it was chucked out. So why should it be put down? In any case where would these ‘strays’ be kept until that fateful day?
I do not have any ideas on how to control the tiny problem of poor dog ownership.


There are very few dog attacks on people. In fact there is more knife crime. But then why not chuck in an emotive point to try and enhance the argument. In fact dog fouling is caused by a tiny percentage of dogs. There is more human litter than dog mess.

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Pick it up (being careful to use rubber gloves), put it in a freezer bag with a note and then stick it through her letter box.

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Maybe 2 or 3, it would be hard to say until the new laws came in. They don't have to remove every illegal dog in a weekend. Once people started loosing their dogs others would soon realise they needed to register and licence them before they too fell foul of the law.

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The trouble with Jambutty - as with so many others - is that he is always on about 'Rights' but never talks about Responsibilities. No wonder the country has gone to the dogs.

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I reckon I could manage to take a tortoise for a walk.:D

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In the general scheme of things Accrington is a small town but to police a new law effectively I reckon you would need ten times what you quote.

If patrolling ‘dog wardens’ appear on the scene what do you think illegal dog owners would do? Walk the dogs when there are no ‘dog wardens’ about, perhaps?

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If people don’t stand up for their rights, they will lose them. In any case the greater majority of dog owners are RESPONSIBLE people so why should they suffer for the misdemeanours of the few.

Child abuse is far more important than dogs fouling the street.

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Quiet right there regards child abuse and i dont see many dogs attacking pensioners and robbing them for a few pence neither.or going around in groups stabbing people.

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Aye, but how often do we read of Rottweiler's or the like tearing poor, little, baby children to pieces. If this is what you want, so be it.

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don't see many scumbags doin this either.

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Have you ever noticed how dogs look like their owners? Just look at the spotty chavs, complete with trainers, jogging pants, baseball caps, tattoos and the obligatory fag and Carlsberg Special Brew, lurching from side to side down the street, and what do they look like? Why, their ugly bull terrier strolling along beside them.

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People would soon start reporting noisy dogs and those fouling the streets if the wardens had the power to remove unlicensed dogs.

Are these owners of illegal dogs never going to take them to the vets if they are ill?

So should we allow dogs owners to allow their dogs to fouls our streets until we have 100% eliminated child abuse?

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i think the thomson and vennables did excactly that!

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they murdered poor jamie did NOT rip him to bits.

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:mosher:Fair play for that statement made me chuckle.
If and im repeating myself here that people didnt breed willy nilly from their much loved dog and stopped selling to idiots most of the dogs wouldnt be on the street and more so not producing more dogs.make spay.neuter compulsory less dogs less mess on the streets,And a lot less complaining.
I wonder how many ppl would actually confroint someone for letting their dogs foul.I would certainly offer them a poop bag as its not often im out without several in various pockets

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Not just the Chavs, Tealeaf, think some of these are really cute.

Dogs look like their Owners | Amazing PowerPoint Slide Show

Still think the cost of administering Neil's suggestions would overcome any benefits and, as specified, there will always be bad dog owners around no matter what.

Also, the right to own a dog is valid, but extra expense will prohibit the less well off in our society from doing this, and doesn't mean to say because they are of the poorer in our society, that they will not be less responsible to a family dog.

By the way, Garinda ... my grandaughter's tortoise, Wilma, cost nearly £200, and lots more money spent on her since. She's a breed that doesn't hibernate either, so a heating lamp has to be provided.

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I do regularly, when I see a dog performing on the lawn at the front of these flats. I open my window and shout 'If that's crap pick it up'
This usually startles dog owners into action since they thought no-one was about (I am in an upstairs flat)
Once I was told where to go:rolleyes:

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Whilst I accept that if a child is attacked by a dog it is once too often but when was the last time that such an incident was reported in the press? Compare that to when was the last time that a child was abused.

However this thread is about dogs fouling the streets etc and the means of stopping it.

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50 years ago people were public spirited enough to report incidents. Today they are so insular that they look away and grumble to their neighbours, friends and family. Few will confront a dog owner face to face for not cleaning up after their dog.

Nothing quite like putting words in my mouth to enhance your point.

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Hell of a subject to get people interested in Accyweb....you and I were alive fifty years ago and they did'nt give a toss...Nowaday's with the introduction, unchecked, of, speak to me and I will kick your head in it is better to wait until paid employees clean the mess up.
Sorry to be so negative but that's the way it's gone over the years. :eek:

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Good on ya Margaret i dispise people who let their dogs foul in public places and walk on as if nothing offensive has been left.I have to pick up after mine,but thats my choice as i choose to own dogs and everything that comes with them.

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Only half an hour ago I was washing my breakfast dishes up and saw a couple walking their dogs, they both performed on the grass or snow as it is at the moment, but they both picked up after, when they saw me watching they both just smiled and carried on with the walk

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eww...dogs pooing on the grass is bad enough without the owners starting as well :D :p :D

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Ya daft divil ema:D

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Well only a few days after this post was made we now have another baby mauled to death by "family dogs". Maybe a stricter criteria for owning dogs is not such a bad idea if only one life is saved due to said criteria.

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Yes very sad for the grand parent who was looking after the baby along with the parents.
Wonder now with this being a jack russell alongside a staffie will the powers that be put all jack russels on the DD List.

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All dogs are dangerous if unsupervised around children be they big or small breed. Just because owners deem dogs safe it doesn't mean they are!!

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Any dog has the subconcious instincts of a wolf (from whom they were initially bred)
We don't think like wolves so when that instinct is roused we are unaware of the danger.

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No it doesnt i trust my dogs 100%but it goes without saying i would never leave any of mine alone around children be it a baby or older children.You just cant look away,but so many ppl think their four legged friends are not capable of attacking.im afraid they are as proved today yet again.
I have a policy when i have a litter i never sell to anyone with children thats me as i would hate to think something i had bred could harm a child or worse.ppl think im daft for doing this but hey ive a conscience.

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Interesting post that. You trust them 100% but not on their own with children :confused:

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I'd like to say how glad i am that most of the snow has now dissappeared from the side streets. However having walked along Cambridge Street this morning to get my papers from the Spar i could'nt believe the ammount of dog muck there is on the pavements there, obviously a lot of this had previously been hidden by the white stuff, ive never noticed it to be this bad before, so i assume most of the dogs owners think their dogs crapping on snow is acceptable. You cant walk 2 or 3 metres on there at the moment without encountering a turd!! (No Political Jokes please:))!

Best Regards - Taggy

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Maybe they have a lot of 'fair weather' dog owners in the area.

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Neil if you wish to be pedantic and pull my post to bits i can assure you i trust mine 100% with children/adults pensioners etc,but i cannot trust them if my back is turned our in a seperate room and there are children.kids like dogs are unpredictable what if to use as a example one child suddenly startles one,i own big dogs and one being larger than average is quite boisterous but thats the breed in him.he could easily knock a child over the child only needs to bang its head and there we have a accident which has involved one of my dogs.I was out of the room and didnt see it,where do i stand with the Law i tell ya they would investigate me and most probably remove the dog.
I have countless pictures of mine playing with children only this week my youngest dog was out sledging with the neighbours children,but i was out there in the cold and snow with him.So thats why i can say i trust mine 100%,but as a responsible dog owner i would never leave one of mine alone with any child.I love my dogs i am not going to put their lives at risk along with a child.You cannot take that risk.perhaps thats just me but i would protect my dogs like people who have children protect them.
So hence thats why i said i do trust mine 100% but i would never leave them alone around children its a risk i am not willing to take a childs life is precious and i couldnt live with myself if any of the dogs i own hurt a child.

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So dogs aren't safe in the prescence of people smaller than they are.

A home is a place for relaxation so why make it as dangerous as a wolf pen in a zoo?

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my home certainly isnt a wolf pen.its a place where i live quite happily with my dogs whom if they crap outside i pick it up.we also relax and enjoy our home.but its my choice to own dogs I payed my money for them and i took the choice to protect them.I dont have children so mine are not around noisy little darlings,People own cats i wouldnt have one given,just like people wouldnt own a dog its all personal choice.But no one should ever presume just because their fido is a big softie and used to kids it wont attack them.

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But you dog can decide to turn a bite a child that startled it even in your presence before you can stop it.

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I see the dog haters are back out.

I to would not trust my dogs around children, just as I wouldnt trust children around ANY dog.

Yes a dog is a animal and could snap at ANYONE, due to certain circumstances (The list is long but as a exaple the dog gets caused pain it reacts by defending its self).

It boils down to education, both for dogs owners and people when they are around dogs, best bet is if you own a dog as I do remember its a animal and not a machine, this makes it unpredictable but not necesarrly dangeress.

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I don't hate dogs, just negligent owners. The dogs themselves are usually nice enough.

I spent yesterday afternoon cutting down trees in the wood opposite Sparth Road in Clayton. The place is covered in dog muck. So much so that is was probably the second greatest hazard after falling trees :mad:

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Licensing dogs will not prevent such tragedies from happening and that is what the opening post was advocating.

Licensing cars hasn’t stopped people getting killed and injured on our roads.

Re: How could we deal with doggy issues?
 

my dogs arent dangerous in the slightest, and I say that cos I know they arent..and would I trust them around other small kids - yes we do, if we didnt we wouldnt take them to the local park where there are always lots of little kids playing, and shock horror we let them off the lead too so they can have a run about next to little kids and shock horror again they poo on the grass but being the responsible dog owners that we are we do always pick up the poo,infact I have more often than not picked up other dogs poos that are near the one my dog has done and put that in the bin too..however there are dogs in the park at times that worry me when they run to me with teeth showing and growling, but then the owner runs up saying sorry how it slipped its lead, that to me is more worrying that the owner let it happen to a dog with an aggresive attitude in a public place.. at times I have more nappy/poo bags in my pockets than cash at times!
my 18 month old little best mate in the world now sits and cuddles both our dogs, lies on the floor with them and now trys to sit on them cos he thinks they are horses:rolleyes:..
would I leave them alone in the room with him? no because thats bad parenting as you should never leave a child alone in a room regardless, nothing to do with not trusting my dogs as they would rather sleep as they are lazy you see.
ANY PARENT who leaves their kid alone in a room deserves a boot up the backside in my opnion.
it is clearly obvious we have a anti dog brigade on here which isnt a bad thing as we are all entitled to opinions but to say to ban them from towns and cities is barking mad..clearly a case of brain not engaging mouth/hand.

in all seriousness - logistically how would you manage this?

would you simply round them all up and what?...dump them somewhere?
would you give the owners a timescale to get rid of said pets?
would you tell the owners to leave with said pets if they said no? where would you put them as it would be your responsability?
what about guide dogs? where would all the blind people go? you couldnt have one rule for one etc..
would crufts become an underworld organisation? or would you ban that too?

I await my fate from the anti dog brigade..

Re: How could we deal with doggy issues?
 

GG Crufts is already badly affected by the PC brigade pedigree pulled out alongside the BBC and animal rights have threatened to converge in hall5 and disrupt the BIS final.All this because one misrepresented airing of breeders and their ethics.the same PC brigade who got docking banned the same PC brigade that didnt want to go to a dog show and pay to go in and see dogs that had been docked.plain and simple dont go then and if they must go on none working day or go to a open show where 9times out of ten its free admission.

but on another note even at crufts you do see dog dirt along from the car parks to the main arena which is shocking,but not all dog lovers/breders are educated enough to bend down and pick their dogs mess up and that riles me.