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Surprised I've beaten Cyfr to this but............



We may as well just become part of the USA seeing as our politicians seem scared S********less of upsetting our atlantic neighbours

Miliband refuses to release torture documents • The Register


we need shut of this bunch of muppets (or is that puppets) right now.

FFS, we participate in exactly what we claimed were the reasons for removing Saddam, what exactly does that make our goverment and ultimately us for not doing something about them....


As someone who is happy to be politically fluid based on whats happening here and now and not what political parties have stood for historically(which is what some people seem to continue to vote for....) I can't see a reason why we leave this lot in charge??????

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Ian............It seems to go unoticed that the country is in a mess and we are subjected to the local issues on this forum taking over the overall picture.
The economy is flat...Jobs are in danger...When I hear the politicians say anything...I don't believe them.
When I hear local councillors say anything...I don't believe them.
Why oh why do we fall for the claptrap. :confused:

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We’ve been the 51st state in all but name since WWII without the benefits.

It is time that we either stood up to the Yanks and told them where to go or became Yanks ourselves.

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Think about that very carefully Jimbo....The Yanks have pulled us out of the mire more than once.
Without their intervention in WWII we would all be paying homage to a fate worse than the current Labour Government. :eek:

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Looks like it's a choice between being a state of the United States of Europe or the United States of America.

What makes me laugh, bitterly, is the way that Labour, Tory and Lib-Dem politicians (including those on here) still like to peddle the fallacy that we're an independent country.

Oh sure...

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well i know which united state i would choose. if it came down to it.:rolleyes:

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Pray tell?:confused:

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Great Britain? :)

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the thing is we could still be but it would take a goverment with balls, one who would spend a year or two ignoring EU directives to build a local farming capability etc to provide sufficient food etc. It may even take us some sacrifice in missing some things we may be used to initially till we negotiate teh supply chains in independance.

independant does not mean not in need of supplies from elsewhere. few countres live a self sufficient life, teh difference would be us setting our own limits

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Nice idea, but you've as much chance of getting that from the Tories as you did from Labour.

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didn't say I would, only that ideals are not likely to happen as it takes goverment with balls.
I am lucky to be politically fluid in that I can make my judgement based on policy now not what they stood for 40 years ago. unfortunately there isn't a "None of the above incompetants" option on the ballot paper! :D

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I thought it all started with the oil prices, which we 'aint got .. :confused:

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Unfortunately I feel you might be right.. :(

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we have oil


not as much as saudi etc but hang on... they aren't EU either :D

so what exactly ties us to this EU malarky?

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This post makes absolute sense and I endorse it.
Do we need EU directives..........No.
The Farming communities have been desimated by EU as has our right to live the life that we want, not what the gob s..te EU, unelected idiots want.
Who gives a toss about bananas being the wrong shape?
Spain has the right idea.........If the smoking ban has a detrimental affect on our ecomony or our way of life, backburner. So it should be.

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The Brussels gravy train! An excellent retirement home for failed politicians. Look at Kinnock...he even managed to get his missus on it! ;)

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U.S.A. simple as.fer my money near half the E.U. fought against us, the frogs dislike us, if De-Gaulle was still batting, they wouldn't have had us in it. Allies yer having a laugh.

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But you are still free to say as you like and do as you like in a free society. would that have been the case if the Allies had not come to our aid?:confused:

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i regard the yanks as our main allies.

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Maybe thats because it is a local forum and we get more say on local issues than we do nationally, or at least thats the theory ;)

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and when it comes down to cutting the crap, the "Gurkhas" were better allies than half of those clowns in the E.U.:rolleyes:

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Er....maybe that's because it's a local forum.:rolleyes:

People are free to discuss worldwide issues, if they so wish, but they are more likely to take an interest about what's actually happening on their doorstep, particularly if some dog's laid an egg on it.;)

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At least an American puppet master speaks English, sort of.

Unlike the one's pulling our strings in Brussels.

I'd prefer to be independent, and free of all political and economic allies.

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Over the last 10 years 50% of all laws passed for Britain were passed by the E.U.
The cost to implement these laws was 106 Billion pounds.:confused::confused:

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this is a convinent excuse not to have the facts of torture released and the USA threat to not share intelligence is invalid on two counts

1: the USA has no intelligence

2: our people work so closley with the USA people that we couldnt help but get to know about things and also the USA depends greatly on us just as much as we depend on them when gathering information around the world and also the australian people work very closely with us and teh USA as well so basicly our countries are so entwined in each others buisness helping each other the UK could not be kept out of the loop

the govenment is quite happy to bow down to this demand and say they cant release information basicly because it saves embarrassment that we are part or involved in the torture of people when in reality we could easily ignore the USA and call tehir bluff because they have made a threat that even they know they are incapable of carrying out


dont get me wrong im all for torturing the hell out of people associated with terrorism in any way but to see our courts made a mockery of just to hide a dirty secret which isnt that well kept anyway is a joke

i dont knwo what is worse , european courts over ruling our courts or our polotitions gaging our justice system to hide their dirty linen

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Well, it seems to me that most of our so-called European Allies either: a) fought on t'other side. b) were invaded and so were not much help (apart from their resistance movements). c) remained resolutely neutral. Some allies!

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agree totally, as we aint in the independant arena though, i'll settle fer the yanks any day.

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Thats all well and good Wynonie, but they had Mandy then he came back:(

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I think the one thing that made me smile this morning was that good old Tony down staged Grdon for ten years, now hes don't it again, he managed to beat Gordon again as in meeting Barack Obama, before him:D

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Ah, but Gord was the first world leader to talk to Obama by phone, taking to opportunity to warn him about the dangers of protectionism. Soon afterwards, Obama introduced his Buy American bill. Funny, that... ;)

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Ah but was he talking to Obama or Rory Bremner, Wynonie:rolleyes:

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I like the "tell them where to go option." Canada does it all the time ... Iraq comes quickly to mind ... if Blair had demonstrated the feisty independence of Jean Chretien, that crap in Iraq may not have happened; and if it had anyway, Britain would not have been involved. And with Canada voicing loud opposition to the new American protectionism, it's no surprise that President Obama's first overseas visit will be to Ottawa ... (Ok, maybe it's because Canada is so close;)). However, I do believe that Obama is a very smart man; and he does realize that what the US needs is friends ... not toadies or dependents, but friends. And the nice thing about friends is that you can, on occasion, them they are full of faeces, and still remain friends.:D

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I don't think that it was Obama's intent to have the "Buy American" provisions in his bailout package .... this came from Congress. Obama is smart enough to realize that American protectionism will worsen the recession rather than moderate its effects.

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In both world wars, Royboy39, the Yanks were intent on staying neutral and did so until there was direct action against the USA that brought them into both wars on the side of the Allies.

In the First World War it was the sinking of the Lusitania that drew American sympathies to the Allies. Thereafter the sinking of several US cargo vessels by U-Boats dragged the US into the war.

It was a similar story for WWII. Except here it was Pearl Harbour that brought the Yanks into the war. Prior to that even the sinking of American cargo vessels by U-Boats wouldn’t persuade them to join us. But they did sell us on the “Lease Lend Scheme” crappy and obsolete warships and arms for the land forces. The USA made a fortune out of WWII and it took us decades of hard earned taxes to pay it off.

Once Hitler realised the enormity of invading England he abandoned the idea and would have, if asked, allowed us to sue for peace. He even broached the idea through diplomatic channels but Churchill refused.

Hitler didn’t see the UK as a historic enemy of Germany and only attacked these islands because we declared war on Germany. Not the other way round. He only reciprocated. Hitler was more intent on dominating the European continent and putting Russia in its place. Don’t forget that the last successful invasion of these shores was back in 1066 when the Duke of Normandy showed Harold what’s what. Normandy is France and we have a long history of battling the French.

Post WWII it was a generally held view that it was the USSR that was a threat to world peace. But the reality was and still is that it is the USA who is the biggest threat to world peace.

Since Heath this government has been sitting on two fences, the European one and the USA one.

It would be in the people’s best interests to become part of the USA but it is in the politician’s best interests to join with Europe. Guess which way the government will eventually fall?

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Thanks for the history lesson Jim....sure it will be of interest to our younger members.

I don't know which way the Government will go but I'm sure you will tell us?

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that small paragraph sums up very nicely,exactly what i think.

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.....and please could we have a manufacturing industry back too!



Best Regards - Taggy

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You can about the same time I get my O.B.E!!:D

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Shhhhhhhhh pete yer on next years honours list n ive been knighted.;)

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At least you got Morrissey to write a song for you.:theband:Swine.

I just got the Monkees.:D:D

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It's funny that Canada is often regarded as most like the USA but it seems that the UK has taken over.

Apart from foreign policy it seems that other UK similarities are

- Materialistic lifestyle (especially easy credit)

- Fascination with celebrities (the Royals)

- Image and spin rather than facts and reality

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We seem to be constantly moaning about laws and regulations "imposed" on Britain by the EU from Brussels..but the EU is an elected Parliment.. it's just the same as moaning about the Goverment in London imposing regulations in Accrington.
I'm not standing up for the EU but at least you get a vote on who represents you .. we don't get to vote in USA elections.

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know what yer saying mancie, but its the vote we didn't get that bugs me.;)

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and I know what you are saying.. we have not had a vote on the Constitution nor the Maastricht treaty but our reps have..i'ts been said before many times on here that we should have the chance to vote ourselves in or out of the Union...(mind you we know what happened to the souhtern states of America when they tried it ;) ) but no political party will provide such a chance.. certainly not any Tory party, even though they whinge and moan about the EU constantly.
I do think the "special" relationship with the USA is real.. but seems like almost all the time it is Britain that gives more to that relationship.

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agree no party will give the "Peasants" a vote, also agree wi yer last paragraph.

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We might have MEP’s but all they do is rubber stamp what the un-elected bureaucrats come up with. We then follow the dictats whilst the French ignore them if they don’t like them.

As the 49th state Hawaii gets to vote in the US elections and so does Alaska. Indeed Alaska very nearly had a vice president.

If the UK became the 51st state we too would have a vote.

Incidentally the national government does impose regulations on local governments.

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Just found out about this one today. Being a resident of Canada but still a British citizen I previously had to apply to the British embassy in Ottawa for a replacement passport. As of January this year we have to apply to the British embassy in Washington??? Just another nail in the coffin.

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Of course they do.. and you.. your voting area elected them to do just that.. impose regulations....just like they do when you voted for your MEP to do the same