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There is much controversy at the moment about the Home Office's decision to refuse entry to far-right Dutch politican Geert Wilders, on the grounds that his visit would 'threaten community harmony and therefore public security'.
He was invited to the country by Lord Pearson, who planned to screen Wilder's anti-Islamic film 'Fitna' in the House of Lords. Since this Dutch politican's film has resulted in a fatwa ordering his murder, is it really wise for a member of the House of Lords to want to screen this film in the Houses of Parliament, and put our national security at risk? If Lord Pearson is so desperate to see this film I'm sure it's available on DVD, and he could watch it in the comfort of his own home, rather than in our second chamber. Far-right Dutch MP Geert Wilders barred from UK over anti-Islam film - Times Online |
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Geert Wilders is being interviewed on the Jeremy Vine show Garinda after noon.
Seems he can just enter the country if flys into Heathrow ... baggage put on another flight, but he can leave the airport for interview ... or summat like that. |
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We've enough Weirdos of our own that stir the pot without letting them in from other countries, me thinks twas a bit of poor judgement by the Noble Lord
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I still think it's called the Jeremy Vine show though, not Garinda After Noon. That show's on Radio 4. :D |
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Blimey, this issue has even untited Peter Thatchell and the Daily Mail on this issue. That must be a first!
They both accuse Home Secretary Jacqui Smith of hypocrisy when it comes to whom she sees fit to enter Britain. Although Wilder is very anti-Islam, he's apparently never threatened violence, unlike some people who are granted free entry to our shores. EPHRAIM HARDCASTLE: Peter Tatchell hits the nail on the head as he accuses Jacqui Smith of 'gross hypocrisy' | Mail Online |
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Best Regards - Taggy |
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http://redstatepatriot.com/ABU_HAMZA_380758a.jpg Abu Hamza al-Masri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
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A further retreat from the English tradition of free speech and open debate.
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It all seems a bit stupid now, seeing that the film was still viewed anyway but all of 30 odd people (odd probably in more than one way! Lol!) This was just a statement by the Government to appease certain sections in the community. All they've done now is given him even more publicity, another bullet in the foot for the Government me thinks.
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I don't agree with what Mr. Wilders says, but I've yet to read anything he's said that breaks any British laws, as distasteful as his views might be. Meanwhile we allow, and pay for those whose preaching does break our laws, to remain at liberty, and that's besides the rappers welcomed to our shores who glorify hate killing in their songs. This government have a very narrow view about who is, and who isn't, allowed freedom of speech. |
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He's overturned the ban and is on his way as a guest of Lord Pearson, the leader of UKIP.
The Press Association: Wilders overturns ban on visiting UK |
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Didn't the courts (European?) order that the Home Secretary was acting illegally in barring Wilders from entry. That aside, how would any government react if, as is expected, Wilders becomes the new Dutch Prime Minister???
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from all the different races and creeds I have met over the years I would say the Dutch are the most similar to the English , one or two irritating traits but on the whole have a similar outlook on life and a not too different sense of humour . That being said , if this Wilders chap does become the elected Dutch PM it should be seen as a 'red flag' to British politicians as to what the British population is also thinking , will they take note , doubtfull .
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Having seen the interview of Wilders on newsnight he was forthright about his anti-muslim proposals but at least he didn't bring race and colour into his argument. |
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It shouldn't be just the British who should sit up & take note, pretty much all of Western Europe should be looking in. As the Dutch Nation are probably the most liberal in Europe & are tending more towards ruffled feathers as things develop further concerning the rise & militancy in some sectors of the Muslim populace, it should surely have a wake up effect on its neighbours.
And since we are supposedly a united Europe, what are the MEP's of the EU doing to alleviate their peoples fears & concerns in respect of the issues being raised ? Or are they to preoccupied with other more pressing concerns ? such as their levels of pay ? |
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They're way more liberal than us, of course, and at the same time puritanically restrained. They do like a good knees up, and a laugh....which is fairly uncommon amongst some of our other near neighbours. :D |
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my favourite word in Dutch ..... kippernercker , just rolls off the tongue :D :D |
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There is a ground fear of an errosion of the Dutch way of life, wherever that threat comes from, and when the threat threatens to take away the liberties and liberalism, of which they are justly proud. I've said many times on here that mainstream political parties refusal to tackle head on the vast majority of people's fears of their way of life being changed so quickly, is a very frightening prospect, and especially so when we see the continued support for extremist organisations such as the B.N.P. The bend over backwards, for fear of being labelled racist, by the pandering P.C. sycophants is divisive, and ultimately dangerous. Let's not forget that just two decades before Hitler came to power Germany was one of the most politically liberal, and socially enlightend countries the world had ever seen. Things can change in a relative flash. |
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Liberalism is east to crush, and overthrow.
Mainly because they're liberal, and allow you the freedom to do it. When liberals, such as the Dutch, feel threatened, and start to fight back, to hold on to their freedoms, it's time to start worrying. |
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Besides it's hilarious, if it wasn't so frighteningly sad, that lily-livered politicans are too afraid to tackle extremists using religion as a weapon, for fear of being labelled as 'racist'.
Islam, like most other major religions, isn't a race, and has followers from all four corners of the Earth, of many differing nationalities, and racial backgrounds. Namby-pamby idiots. I had a letter last week from the NHS in Blackburn, regarding new medical record storage. The letter was also available in Gujarati, Urdu, Manderin, Polish, French, Farsi and Spanish. I'm all for everyone being able to access esential services, but this divisive, patronising attitude, isn't the way. How much more do these translations cost? What about the poor Romanians, do they not get a nice copy in their language, or the Lithuanians? How many generations do we keep these divisions in society, by encouraging separation? If people can't speak English they should get lessons. These people might be able to read the form I got in their language, but you can bet your bottom dollar the vast majorities of receptionists and nurses in the NHS won't speak their language, so it's all a bit pointless until they can speak English. This is the stupid attitude that comes down right from the upper reaches of government, which infuriates fair minded people, and allows the rise of right-wing extremism to flourish. Namby-pamby idiots. |
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Not having the the ability to speak English "infuriates fair minded people"..I'd say it infuriates narrow minded people.. I know of Chinese bloke and his wife that have brought up a family here and the only English he knows is chinky curry rice fork and most English words that are banned on here... I also know Brits that have spent 20yyrs in Hong Kong and Singapore that will make no attempt to speak the local language..so by your reckoning they should take lessons ?.. no chance.
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I said people should get English lessons, rather than patronising, divisive people tripping over themselves to offer translation services for every offical form. How many generations should be kept isolated from the wider community Mancie, by preventing them speaking English? |
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I know this from my own experiences here in Germany, I chose to settle here after leaving the Forces, I have a German Wife, my Son was educated in the German School system & I worked in Germany for a civilian German Company. Had I insisted on speaking purely English in all my dealings I know I wouldn't have been anywhere near as settled as I am. I learnt as I went along, initially my spoken German was poor, but because I made an effort, the people accepted my destroying their Language & didn't pass comment, in fact they aided were possible much to my gratitude. I now speak passably good German, can read it & on occasions make a foray into written Language, often with wry smiles from the recipients. In short I've tried to become accepted & I think succeeded, due to my willingness to accept other peoples way of life, if more of the settlers to UK adopted this approach, the Country would not be seeing the internal turmoil & tensions it presently is. As to those who have no desire to integrate they should be repatriated immediately to a place where their views fit their tirades & let the rest of us live our lives together peaceably. |
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With all this doom and gloom about melting ice caps and rising sea levels I would have thought the Dutch had enough problems looking for higher ground.:confused:
Or at the very least spending what time they have left inventing an amphibious push bike:D:D. |
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So you've sampled the delights & sights of Amsterdam then, you World weary travellers !! :thankya: :D :joint: :cheers: :surprise:
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Banning the Koran is an interesting concept when you think about it. Most of the Koran appears as the Old Testament in our Bible, with a few relatively minor changes. Muslims even worship the same God as Jews and Christians.
Sad, isn't it? |
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Perhaps there'll come a time when mankind will be stong enough to walk without the crutch that is religion. |
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Wether its the crazy Christian Evilgelicals like the clowns here in the US who are calling for the Orca which 'killed' its trainer in Florida recently to be stoned to death in line with Biblical rules, or fanatical Muslims who believe apostasy should be punished by death , in my mind there is nothing to choose between them (two sides of the same coin) and all should be shipped off to their own little island as far away as possible from normal folk . |
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Just brought this to mind after reading something in the papers this morning, I knew it'd been mentioned before about languages.
Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: Council pays for 300 workers to translate into 105 languages Now is a perfect time to show what the new Government has got by getting a grip of situations like this, the savings here would be immense. |
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Well that link had me confused, Daily Express? I thought we were only allowed to link to the Daily Mail for this type of thing? :confused: |
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Can anybody guess how many languages official forms are available in here in France???
That's right, one, French. Doesn't that seem more sensible than spending a fortune translating everything? |
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Hasn't this been said before by many people even if only to induce intergration & acceptance ?
Eric Pickles orders ban on council translations for migrants - Telegraph |
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yes, it has been said, and by many people.
Don't say someone is finally taking notice. |
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C'mon posts and someone else comes on and tries to make sense of it. ;) |
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