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Redundancy good for the soul
Bishop of London says that redundancy is good for the soul -Times Online
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think he must be braindead n have no concept of what redundancy can do to some people, unsurprising then church attendances have dropped dramatically is it?:rolleyes:
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Yes it can be negative put it can equally be the kick up the arse you sometimes need. I have been made it once and it made me think about what i wanted to do rather than plod along as i was |
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:rolleyes:I wonder why it is that many modern church leaders seem to be so off the wall .... and more than a little out of touch with reality ... getting crucified upside down was probably good for the soul too, but not something most of us would like to experience first hand ... next thing we will have is bishops denying the Holocaust
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They seem to think they can have a say in anything, when they have no inkling of what it is to be in certain situations, no sense of the realities of life having lived the existance they do. OK his patch is in the stockbroker belt, but assume he would be of the same mind if he was in a run down area, and wouldn't alter his thinking. It's ok if someone has the funds to keep going for a while whilst they take that metaphorical kick up the backside and change their direction, but most of us have to do it whilst surviving on limited finances.
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Seems they are not just preaching God these days but playing God too
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Having just been made redundant, if I met this guy I'd be seriously considering how fast I can run after punching him on the nose :D
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Reminds me of the time when half the staff at my place of employment had just been notified of redundancy,all the executives had new company cars delivered on the same day.
Then the suit who flew up from London,(Human Resources) told them "Dont look at redundancy as the end of something,but a gateway to opportunity!" Anyway 6 months later the aforementioned execs had to return their cars and go through that very same gateway.Even though I lost my job at the same time,I laughed so much I nearly paid my Poll Tax. |
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Lets have a :whip::whack::boxing_sm:hitting8: bishop day n knock some sense into him!!!! He is so far up his own back passage that Thunderbirds said they didnt have a hope in hell of saving him. To him it is a joke in my opinion and he is spouting off just for the attention. How can a so called man of the big dude drop this dung on us when he is nice n cosy. No one wants redundency and some will turn to desperate measures that the big dude would wag a finger at. Lets cob this numpty on the unemployment scrap heap without his pension and see if his faith gets him through it!!!!!! |
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I think burning some people at the stake might be good for their soul.
Although I would have a bucket of water handy for them, if it turned out the experience physically affected their soles, rather more than their spiritual souls. |
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On a more serious note, this bishop should be booted out of the clergy immediately, without the fallback of a pension. Let's see how he copes with the metaphorical kick up the pants that he advocates. |
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People in general have a right to have an opinion on absolutely anything, I'm pretty sure it's the media who decide whose opinions count these days, they certainly don't HAVE to write what the bishops say.
And the bishops said some EXCELLENT stuff in relation to the credit crunch a few months ago so they don't always talk nonsense. Also, redundancy can be very good for the soul. I was made redundant whilst at college, sadly at the time I lost my friend to cancer, and I was obviously down for a while but one day I thought, none of this needs to negatively affect my life, I can pick myself up and use it to motivate me for the next step. Yes the current economic climate is bad, believe me there are enough students depressed about the struggles they are going to have after spending so much money on getting a degree, but every cloud has a silver lining and so on. And there is always emigration to Australia. That seems to be a popular choice amongst my fellow students. I personally think I'll ride the waves and do my best to make sure I don't drown in the doom and gloom of the cynics surrounding me :p |
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Very few people completely give up and kill themselves. People fall but they pick themselves up. It happens throughout life and I don't see why life has to end because of a financial crisis. |
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disagree, just as many are not competant enough to go to college.
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I know many people do it and I know there are people on this forum that have done it so its not impossible. I was with a couple last night who where in a similar situation in the 70's and went to uni together and got degrees and now have their own trade union. They were talking about this very same topic. Most of the time this believe in a lack of competency begins at school with teachers who simply don't have the time to focus on individual student needs. I have experience with these GCSE classes at college and I've seen the variety of levels that attend them and succeed so I'm not completely blind in this area. And it doesn't have to be academic courses either, many people retrain in new vocational professions. I see it happen so I don't have any reason to believe it isn't doable. Willpower is the main thing to success, not 'competence'. |
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We could have a work force made up of 99% graduates, but you've still got to have jobs for them to do afterwards.
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I agree with Caz.
Redundancy can be a chance to take a new direction and seize other opportunities. You may even come to look back on it as a blessing. It's all well and good if you're not desperate for the money. It's a different tale if you rely on every penny and don't know how you'll manage until you get another job. :( |
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Ive been made redundant once 3 weeks before my 21st birthday ... i started a new job on my 21st birthday. I admit it i was lucky ... It was 1988 and there wasnt a recession.
Was brought home by my boss and and he said he was sorry to let me go. He was ill and he died a couple of months later. It made me realise that a job is not for life ... like it used to be and anyone could be got rid of. Redundancy can make people look at life different .. find a job they want to do and retrain, go to college or university or get another job. Thing is because its the recession and jobs are going everywhere that getting another job is hard .. firms who are wanting employees are going to pick the best, the ones who need least training, or even the cheapest. Especially if they can get government money to pay some if not all their wages. |
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Still, the two million could always turn into entrepeneurs, and start up their own small business, like Blazey's friends, who have their own trade union. |
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How can a couple own their own trade union :confused:
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It can also be a chance for a new direction and be desparate for money :D |
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There are opportunities even in these climates. The world doesn't grind to a halt.
I saw some statistics the other day at a careers talk which showed some businesses are actually taking on MORE trainees than before. Why? Because in a few years when things start picking it up it helps to have people working instead of the entire workforce retiring. Obviously banking and real estate are heavily hit at the moment. Most of the people planning on going into that are now flocking towards law (damn them) but there are all sorts of opportunities around. There are even safe opportunities for investment. People just need to be determined to carry on. And I mentioned suicide because that is the extreme alternative to giving up looking for a new job and continuing with life. |
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Disputes arise all the time during these situations, people say they are unfairly laid off or put under intense pressure, doing the work that would ordinarily be done by two people and so on.
Need I even go on? Not EVERYONE loses their jobs. |
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Of couse Blazey people carry on.. and force .. with will power and support .. will get you were you want.. but are you saying that a town that has an industry that may employ 2,000 to 3,000 and that employment is cut in one week .. then everyone can create the energy and in built determination that you seem to enjoy?
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Having such a small percent of the population working and paying taxes, to support the young, the elderly, and of course the unemployed, puts a great deal of pressure on what really is only a very fragile social order. |
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If anyone on hear remembers the great depression then they have been silent.. I remember when accrington unemployment was almost 20% in the early eighties... then to be told by a Government that was elected by lets say more prosperous areas ..to get on your bike and find work.. "like le'tour de london" long bike ride.. and the same old Tory bods come creeping out like woodlice..
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Hyndburn returned a Conservative M.P. in 1983. Or was that one of the 'more prosperous areas' you were referring to? :rolleyes: |
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...and yet the good people of Hyndburn kept returning him, right up until 1992. I'm afraid you've just got to accept that it was your good old salt of the Earth working classes who supported Maggie by the millions. The number of Tory grandees didn't increase. It was the hoards of traditional Labour supporters who bought into the dream of owning their own house, having shares, which ironically they already owned because they were nationalised industries, and wanted to 'better' their own lives. |
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Blazey, you are fortunate enought to live in a very sheltered life at the moment, and fair play to you, for working hard enough to get there. It may be hard for you to see the real effects of whats happening, maybe you havent seen more and more of your friends and ex workmates being made redundant. I hope you never have to struggle to put food on the table, or pay your rent or mortgage. Unfortunately more and more people these days are going through hell to do so |
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When we got the right candidate, we won back the seat in 1992 |
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Being made redundant in a depression can be soul destroying, it is the added pressure of not knowing whether you will ever get another job, whether you are going survive financially. Each job application or interview that turns you down can increase your feelings of 'worthlessness'. |
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Personally I thought Ken Hargreaves did a good job for the borough, and is a good man, though I never voted for him. He helped me, after my grandma asked him to, and managed to get me some money owed to me whilst I was a student in Liverpool. The city at the mercy of the loony left at the time, under Derek Hatton. I'll agree about Greg Pope though. Thankfully Hyndburn came to their senses well before the rest of the country did '97'.:D |
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And as I said it took a very good labour candidate, who also happened to be local to beat him. |
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My post contained no inacurracies. You may not like the fact that this once Labour stronghold returned a Conservative M.P. to Westmisnster, at more than one election, but it's a fact. You should have selected a more appealing candidate to stand against him.;) |
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well all i can say is what a load of tosh.
i've been made redundant twice in two years (without redundancy pay). do ithink its been good for the soul? do i hell! in the last two months of unemployment i have done everything in my power to get back to work to no avail. I have been in contact with over 300 coach companies plus the many other related vacancies i have found on the net/jobcenter and had how many redponses? THREE. no-one is hiring and those vacancies that are there aren't responding I am worn out, I feel degraded having to attend the job center Every fortnight to claim my pittance of dole money. I cant support my family, My home is being reposessed and I am in debt up to my eyeballs because tger aint enough coming in to pay the bills. I have been through every channel to look at the opportunity to retrain or go back to college and I am getting nowhere. College courses dont start untill september so I have to either stay unemployed untill then (which I do not want to do) or dind a job (ha ha) and pay for the course myself come september (which I cant afford). good for the soul - I think not. I have never felt so low in my life and personally I cant see things getting any better. They used to say a public flogging was good for the soul, and after a comment like that i think it would be good for mine to see this guy get one. |
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i think ya should write to that pillock jedi n explain exactly that.;)
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if I had the energy or the inclination I probably would
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The nearest place would be Blackburn HE centre though I'm not entirely sure what they offer, the next closest being Preston, Bolton or Lancaster. I don't really like the idea of feeling sorry for yourself, in general this is, not directed at you. I had to spend a lot of money at college funding my own art supplies and I lost out on EMA most of the time because insomnia and depression made my attendance minimal and I just borrowed money off people once I lost my job to keep going. It was degrading borrowing money and I'm currently in quite a lot of debt from funding education and stuff. I've had to do voluntary work to build up skills which then make me even more attractive to employers and just rely on my overdraft and credit cards. Kind of overlapping threads here but I once read a useful piece of advice. When you are in good work you should set enough money aside for at least 3 months of bills and living costs, so then in times when you do hit hard times you can still support yourself enough to hopefully find a new job or plan. I'm not saying that is infallible, but it is a start. Everyone hits hard times and most people learn a lot from them. If people aren't learning anything from falls then they're missing opportunity in failure! I ended up at a better university than originally planned on the basis of failure and finding opportunity. I wouldn't ever wish that I hadn't been made redundant, nor would I wish I had never been depressed or suffering from insomnia. It's all just part of my journey and my destination has always been success regardless of the falls and stumbles. |
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Even law people are not escaping Blazey, a friend of mine's daughter, who is a solicitor for the largest firm in Manchester, has just been put on 4 days for a while. She is on the land/buildings side which reflects the economic crisis, but food for thought for your future.
Sorry about your problem Jedimaster .. your post moved me. Wondered why we did not get your competition of 'Where is this ?' anymore. Photographs you took on your travels; loved that. Hope things turn around for you soon. x |
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not as straightforward as ya seem to think blaze, most people wed with young families, DO NOT have money to put to one side fer a rainy day fer yer 3 months of paying bills, n i know,been there n done it. sure it can be difficult fer single people, as you illustrate, but many have a different mindset with young families, they do not like borrowing money,plus it certainly not as easy to do so,these are things ya will discover on yer journey through life.:)
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youre right there cashy! it's not that simple. as i said in my first post blaze this has happened to me twice in two years - so unfortunately any spare cash has gone into repaying everything borrowed to get us through last time second its all very good these summer courses being available but if you hadn't noticed its not summer for another 3-4 months and another 3-4 months untill september and i'm supposed to sit on my rear living on £60 a week to pay a mortgage thats in arrears plus normal costs of living plus paying all other debts owed. Where pray tell me does the money come from for college courses, fees, equipment etc you'd make a great a great politician blaze shame you didnt pay for a maths course too |
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It's never happened to me but I knew people in the eighties who got made redundant, and it was soul destroying for them, as they tried and tried to find other employment so they could keep a roof over their family's heads. Good luck. |
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Been made redundant.. have seen things on the notice board in cateens saying "come to the dance.. the redundance" .. yeah you get a few hundred quid then bye bye... then you have to go sign on..in most cases... then you just get another job in another trade.. but that was in the 80's.. you can't do that these days
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There weren't many trades to walk in to if you happened to live in a pit village, or a town that only had one main factory that had made people redundant. |
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Having been made redundant only twice in a period of 30 years,I consider myself one of the lucky ones.Others have suffered far more than this.
Although I am now in 'reduced circumstances' I cut my cloth accordingly e.g no holidays, meals out etc. Even then it is a struggle,as I said before I am one of the lucky ones with no young dependants. To be out of work in this day and age is very difficult. Is it time to have a re think on increasing payments to the genuine job seeker and penalise the workshy? I know it wouldn't be easy,but surely someone who has paid taxes and National Insurance all their working lives should receive a better payback than others who's hardest work is getting out of bed before lunchtime. Before the PC brigade get on my case,yes there are people with genuine reasons for not actively seeking work,but then again there are many who seek to milk the system. The money they receive could be better spent, I am sure. |
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to be honest -and i know i can only speak from my experience as a person who would prefer to be working a redistribution of funding is what is needed- rather than us dole dossers (lol) living on government handouts
redistribute the cash into providing proper training courses with a recognised qualification at the end of it. maybe proper subsidies for companies willing to train someone to do more than wield a bog brush. Educate companies as to the value of teaching someone to do a job as opposed to waiting 12 months for someone already qualified. Instead all we have is empty promises churned out from a hundred government funded thinktanks who create these new initiatives which when investigated, provide not opportunites to train as promised or advertised, but an endless circle of one department passing you on to another on to another and so on untill you either end up back where you started, still none the wiser because noone will accept responsibility or haven't got a clue what you are talking about, or if you are really lucky your head disappears up your own rear passage. 'give a man a fish and he'll feed himself for a day - give a man the means to fish for himself and he'll feed him and his family for a lifetime' i know it's a cliche but it's true. |
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thankfully I am young, perhaps naive, but still full of ambition and fresh opportunities and choices. I have been made redundant from jobs clearly because I was the youngest amongst older employees and considered to be the least effected by it.
there are people in their 50's at university, some on my course, and they get the same funding as any other student. experience in careers is taken into account for mature students rather than qualifications alone, and I've spent a lot of my time around older students when I was campaigning for the DCE last year, which I mentioned on this forum. redundancy isn't pleasant, nobody is saying that, but it doesn't have to be the end of the world, whatever age you are. If I thought this wasn't the case then I wouldn't say so, but then I suppose Lancaster might as well be an entirely different world to Accrington. |
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