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Caz 12-02-2009 18:20

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Bishop of London says that redundancy is good for the soul -Times Online

Think they should put this guy out of a job.

cashman 12-02-2009 18:23

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think he must be braindead n have no concept of what redundancy can do to some people, unsurprising then church attendances have dropped dramatically is it?:rolleyes:

Retlaw 12-02-2009 18:26

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Originally Posted by Caz (Post 678956)

Even if he did lose his job he would get a pension.

Retlaw.

entwisi 12-02-2009 18:27

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Yes it can be negative put it can equally be the kick up the arse you sometimes need. I have been made it once and it made me think about what i wanted to do rather than plod along as i was

Eric 12-02-2009 18:33

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:rolleyes:I wonder why it is that many modern church leaders seem to be so off the wall .... and more than a little out of touch with reality ... getting crucified upside down was probably good for the soul too, but not something most of us would like to experience first hand ... next thing we will have is bishops denying the Holocaust

cashman 12-02-2009 18:34

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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 678962)
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Yes it can be negative put it can equally be the kick up the arse you sometimes need. I have been made it once and it made me think about what i wanted to do rather than plod along as i was

in normal circs ian i would agree, in times of recession i cannot.

Caz 12-02-2009 18:40

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They seem to think they can have a say in anything, when they have no inkling of what it is to be in certain situations, no sense of the realities of life having lived the existance they do. OK his patch is in the stockbroker belt, but assume he would be of the same mind if he was in a run down area, and wouldn't alter his thinking. It's ok if someone has the funds to keep going for a while whilst they take that metaphorical kick up the backside and change their direction, but most of us have to do it whilst surviving on limited finances.

jaysay 13-02-2009 10:57

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Seems they are not just preaching God these days but playing God too

mattylad 14-02-2009 16:39

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Having just been made redundant, if I met this guy I'd be seriously considering how fast I can run after punching him on the nose :D

cashman 14-02-2009 16:46

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Originally Posted by mattylad (Post 680000)
Having just been made redundant, if I met this guy I'd be seriously considering how fast I can run after punching him on the nose :D

ya would have to be quick on mattylad, reckon that would be one hell of a race.:D

Lampman 14-02-2009 17:17

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Reminds me of the time when half the staff at my place of employment had just been notified of redundancy,all the executives had new company cars delivered on the same day.
Then the suit who flew up from London,(Human Resources) told them "Dont look at redundancy as the end of something,but a gateway to opportunity!"

Anyway 6 months later the aforementioned execs had to return their cars and go through that very same gateway.Even though I lost my job at the same time,I laughed so much I nearly paid my Poll Tax.

SPUGGIE J 15-02-2009 07:09

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Originally Posted by mattylad (Post 680000)
Having just been made redundant, if I met this guy I'd be seriously considering how fast I can run after punching him on the nose :D

Same here.

Lets have a :whip::whack::boxing_sm:hitting8: bishop day n knock some sense into him!!!!

He is so far up his own back passage that Thunderbirds said they didnt have a hope in hell of saving him. To him it is a joke in my opinion and he is spouting off just for the attention. How can a so called man of the big dude drop this dung on us when he is nice n cosy. No one wants redundency and some will turn to desperate measures that the big dude would wag a finger at. Lets cob this numpty on the unemployment scrap heap without his pension and see if his faith gets him through it!!!!!!

garinda 15-02-2009 10:51

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I think burning some people at the stake might be good for their soul.

Although I would have a bucket of water handy for them, if it turned out the experience physically affected their soles, rather more than their spiritual souls.

Sparkologist 15-02-2009 14:25

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 680329)

Lets have a :whip::whack::boxing_sm:hitting8: bishop day n knock some sense into him!!!!

Spuggie, just a question... Are you advocating bashing the bishop? :rolleyes:

On a more serious note, this bishop should be booted out of the clergy immediately, without the fallback of a pension. Let's see how he copes with the metaphorical kick up the pants that he advocates.

blazey 16-02-2009 21:39

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People in general have a right to have an opinion on absolutely anything, I'm pretty sure it's the media who decide whose opinions count these days, they certainly don't HAVE to write what the bishops say.

And the bishops said some EXCELLENT stuff in relation to the credit crunch a few months ago so they don't always talk nonsense.

Also, redundancy can be very good for the soul. I was made redundant whilst at college, sadly at the time I lost my friend to cancer, and I was obviously down for a while but one day I thought, none of this needs to negatively affect my life, I can pick myself up and use it to motivate me for the next step.

Yes the current economic climate is bad, believe me there are enough students depressed about the struggles they are going to have after spending so much money on getting a degree, but every cloud has a silver lining and so on.

And there is always emigration to Australia. That seems to be a popular choice amongst my fellow students.

I personally think I'll ride the waves and do my best to make sure I don't drown in the doom and gloom of the cynics surrounding me :p

Mancie 16-02-2009 21:49

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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 678962)
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Yes it can be negative put it can equally be the kick up the arse you sometimes need. I have been made it once and it made me think about what i wanted to do rather than plod along as i was

a kick up the arse?.. what planet are you on.. makes me laugh sometimes.. tell that (in person) to any of the 22,000 woolworh employees out of work since the new year...as you say it may have done you some good.. but then agian there may not have been millions in the same position as now.. what an arrogant sswat!

blazey 16-02-2009 21:57

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 681093)
a kick up the arse?.. what planet are you on.. makes me laugh sometimes.. tell that (in person) to any of the 22,000 woolworh employees out of work since the new year...as you say it may have done you some good.. but then agian there may not have been millions in the same position as now.. what an arrogant sswat!

Most people decide to go back to college an re-educate, or opt for career changes and such.

Very few people completely give up and kill themselves.

People fall but they pick themselves up. It happens throughout life and I don't see why life has to end because of a financial crisis.

cashman 16-02-2009 22:01

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disagree, just as many are not competant enough to go to college.

blazey 16-02-2009 22:13

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 681102)
disagree, just as many are not competant enough to go to college.

Many people go back and do GCSEs and find they find them much easier at college as they're given more individual attention and taught at their own level.

I know many people do it and I know there are people on this forum that have done it so its not impossible.

I was with a couple last night who where in a similar situation in the 70's and went to uni together and got degrees and now have their own trade union. They were talking about this very same topic.

Most of the time this believe in a lack of competency begins at school with teachers who simply don't have the time to focus on individual student needs.

I have experience with these GCSE classes at college and I've seen the variety of levels that attend them and succeed so I'm not completely blind in this area.

And it doesn't have to be academic courses either, many people retrain in new vocational professions.

I see it happen so I don't have any reason to believe it isn't doable. Willpower is the main thing to success, not 'competence'.

Mancie 16-02-2009 22:16

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 681099)
Most people decide to go back to college an re-educate, or opt for career changes and such.

Very few people completely give up and kill themselves.

People fall but they pick themselves up. It happens throughout life and I don't see why life has to end because of a financial crisis.

who's talk is about killing themselves?... what are you lot on?.. I remember working in london in office relocation ..driving past the pickets and strikers at the conflict at Wapping when 5,000 printers lost their jobs..a passenger in the car said "sod em.. they will just have to get another job"... I said that those 5,000 new unemployed were soon gonna be looking to take his job.. he shut up.. and it's true..there will always be people made redundant and people sacked.. but beware when it amounts to thousands in one area.. or even millions at a time in a country.. then the time come when you are not needed.. then try the whole "kick up the arse" theory

cashman 16-02-2009 22:16

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 681115)
Many people go back and do GCSEs and find they find them much easier at college as they're given more individual attention and taught at their own level.

I know many people do it and I know there are people on this forum that have done it so its not impossible.

I was with a couple last night who where in a similar situation in the 70's and went to uni together and got degrees and now have their own trade union. They were talking about this very same topic.

Most of the time this believe in a lack of competency begins at school with teachers who simply don't have the time to focus on individual student needs.

I have experience with these GCSE classes at college and I've seen the variety of levels that attend them and succeed so I'm not completely blind in this area.

And it doesn't have to be academic courses either, many people retrain in new vocational professions.

I see it happen so I don't have any reason to believe it isn't doable. Willpower is the main thing to success, not 'competence'.

oh i agree its doable with willpower no question, i was phrasing it diplomatically, but as ya didn't grasp me meaning, theres just as many thick gits.

garinda 16-02-2009 22:17

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We could have a work force made up of 99% graduates, but you've still got to have jobs for them to do afterwards.

cashman 16-02-2009 22:19

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 681119)
We could have a work force made up of 99% graduates, but you've still got to have jobs for them to do afterwards.

exactly theres now nearly 2 million out of work n bikes are too expensive.:rolleyes:

Lilly 16-02-2009 22:21

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I agree with Caz.

Redundancy can be a chance to take a new direction and seize other opportunities. You may even come to look back on it as a blessing. It's all well and good if you're not desperate for the money.

It's a different tale if you rely on every penny and don't know how you'll manage until you get another job. :(

shillelagh 16-02-2009 22:21

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Ive been made redundant once 3 weeks before my 21st birthday ... i started a new job on my 21st birthday. I admit it i was lucky ... It was 1988 and there wasnt a recession.
Was brought home by my boss and and he said he was sorry to let me go. He was ill and he died a couple of months later. It made me realise that a job is not for life ... like it used to be and anyone could be got rid of. Redundancy can make people look at life different .. find a job they want to do and retrain, go to college or university or get another job. Thing is because its the recession and jobs are going everywhere that getting another job is hard .. firms who are wanting employees are going to pick the best, the ones who need least training, or even the cheapest. Especially if they can get government money to pay some if not all their wages.

garinda 16-02-2009 22:22

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 681120)
exactly theres now nearly 2 million out of work n bikes are too expensive.:rolleyes:


Still, the two million could always turn into entrepeneurs, and start up their own small business, like Blazey's friends, who have their own trade union.

Mancie 16-02-2009 22:24

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 681120)
exactly theres now nearly 2 million out of work n bikes are too expensive.:rolleyes:

pretty cheap when you can nick em off the leader of the opposition outside a takeaway

MargaretR 16-02-2009 22:25

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 681123)
Still, the two million could always turn into entrepeneurs, and start up their own small business, like Blazey's friends, who have their own trade union.

Trade unions can't have a future when there are no workers to pay subs:confused:

lancsdave 16-02-2009 22:27

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How can a couple own their own trade union :confused:

lancsdave 16-02-2009 22:28

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 681121)
I agree with Caz.

Redundancy can be a chance to take a new direction and seize other opportunities. You may even come to look back on it as a blessing. It's all well and good if you're not desperate for the money.

It's a different tale if you rely on every penny and don't know how you'll manage until you get another job. :(


It can also be a chance for a new direction and be desparate for money :D

Mancie 16-02-2009 22:29

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 681126)
Trade unions can't have a future when there are no workers to pay subs:confused:

Bash on Margaret.. and that is exactly the way the Tories have always aimed for.

blazey 16-02-2009 22:32

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There are opportunities even in these climates. The world doesn't grind to a halt.

I saw some statistics the other day at a careers talk which showed some businesses are actually taking on MORE trainees than before.

Why?

Because in a few years when things start picking it up it helps to have people working instead of the entire workforce retiring.

Obviously banking and real estate are heavily hit at the moment. Most of the people planning on going into that are now flocking towards law (damn them) but there are all sorts of opportunities around. There are even safe opportunities for investment.

People just need to be determined to carry on.

And I mentioned suicide because that is the extreme alternative to giving up looking for a new job and continuing with life.

blazey 16-02-2009 22:34

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Disputes arise all the time during these situations, people say they are unfairly laid off or put under intense pressure, doing the work that would ordinarily be done by two people and so on.

Need I even go on?

Not EVERYONE loses their jobs.

Mancie 16-02-2009 22:44

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Of couse Blazey people carry on.. and force .. with will power and support .. will get you were you want.. but are you saying that a town that has an industry that may employ 2,000 to 3,000 and that employment is cut in one week .. then everyone can create the energy and in built determination that you seem to enjoy?

cashman 16-02-2009 22:50

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 681138)
Of couse Blazey people carry on.. and force .. with will power and support .. will get you were you want.. but are you saying that a town that has an industry that may employ 2,000 to 3,000 and that employment is cut in one week .. then everyone can create the energy and in built determination that you seem to enjoy?

thats so true,n to be honest i once thought like blazey, n that aint a dig at kids, but as ya get older n take on more responsibility, that can soon drain away,after a few times redundant.

garinda 16-02-2009 23:34

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 681131)
There are opportunities even in these climates. The world doesn't grind to a halt.

I saw some statistics the other day at a careers talk which showed some businesses are actually taking on MORE trainees than before.

Why?

Because in a few years when things start picking it up it helps to have people working instead of the entire workforce retiring.

Obviously banking and real estate are heavily hit at the moment. Most of the people planning on going into that are now flocking towards law (damn them) but there are all sorts of opportunities around. There are even safe opportunities for investment.

People just need to be determined to carry on.

And I mentioned suicide because that is the extreme alternative to giving up looking for a new job and continuing with life.

Most economic forecasters agree that even if the present financial crisis ended tomorrow, it will take at least twenty years to recover to it's former position.

garinda 16-02-2009 23:42

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 681134)
Not EVERYONE loses their jobs.

In the Great Depression of the 1920's/30's, which some people here will still remember, unemployment peaked at 24.9% of the workforce.

Having such a small percent of the population working and paying taxes, to support the young, the elderly, and of course the unemployed, puts a great deal of pressure on what really is only a very fragile social order.

Mancie 17-02-2009 00:26

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If anyone on hear remembers the great depression then they have been silent.. I remember when accrington unemployment was almost 20% in the early eighties... then to be told by a Government that was elected by lets say more prosperous areas ..to get on your bike and find work.. "like le'tour de london" long bike ride.. and the same old Tory bods come creeping out like woodlice..

cashman 17-02-2009 00:32

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 681172)
If anyone on hear remembers the great depression then they have been silent.. I remember when accrington unemployment was almost 20% in the early eighties... then to be told by a Government that was elected by lets say more prosperous areas ..to get on your bike and find work.. "like le'tour de london" long bike ride.. and the same old Tory bods come creeping out like woodlice..

thats been done to death on here mancie,no-one that lived through that "POLICE STATE" will ever ferget.;)

garinda 17-02-2009 00:40

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 681172)
then to be told by a Government that was elected by lets say more prosperous areas ..to get on your bike and find work.. "like le'tour de london" long bike ride.. and the same old Tory bods come creeping out like woodlice..

Your theory is flawed though.

Hyndburn returned a Conservative M.P. in 1983.

Or was that one of the 'more prosperous areas' you were referring to?

:rolleyes:

Mancie 17-02-2009 01:00

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 681177)
Your theory is flawed though.

Hyndburn returned a Conservative M.P. in 1983.

Or was that one of the 'more prosperous areas' you were referring to?

:rolleyes:

yes it was.. most parents that were still employed supported their unemployed teens in basic food and clothing and you know it... as it got longer and longer it got harder and harder... the "job" center got packed and more packed.. the then Mr heagreaves was a puppet and in the end was destroyed by his own party.

garinda 17-02-2009 01:12

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 681190)
yes it was.. most parents that were still employed supported their unemployed teens in basic food and clothing and you know it... as it got longer and longer it got harder and harder... the "job" center got packed and more packed.. the then Mr heagreaves was a puppet and in the end was destroyed by his own party.


...and yet the good people of Hyndburn kept returning him, right up until 1992.

I'm afraid you've just got to accept that it was your good old salt of the Earth working classes who supported Maggie by the millions.

The number of Tory grandees didn't increase. It was the hoards of traditional Labour supporters who bought into the dream of owning their own house, having shares, which ironically they already owned because they were nationalised industries, and wanted to 'better' their own lives.

Mancie 17-02-2009 01:34

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 681193)
...and yet the good people of Hyndburn kept returning him, right up until 1992.

I'm afraid you've just got to accept that it was your good old salt of the Earth working classes who supported Maggie by the millions.

The number of Tory grandees didn't increase. It was the hoards of traditional Labour supporters who bought into the dream of owning their own house, having shares, which ironically they already owned because they were nationalised industries, and wanted to 'better' their own lives.

yes .. twas hard times for all..people became afriad of the Tories.. they did what they felt.. but no.. was not my freinds.. they did not stoop as low as jaysay,andrew,royboy..some poeple did endure and stayed with the sufferings that jaysay/andrew/royboy/ had imposed on us .. we fought against these devils .. nay ..harbringers of evil which was..untill then unknown to mankind...but let me say.. these bringers of destruction and petulence .. the three horsemen.. I will not weaken in my struggle.. I shall endure the hardship of ridicule ..and abuse.. :confused:

onlyme 17-02-2009 05:58

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 681131)
There are opportunities even in these climates. The world doesn't grind to a halt.

Yes there are opportunities, but a hell of a lot less than is needed

I saw some statistics the other day at a careers talk which showed some businesses are actually taking on MORE trainees than before.

Why?

Because in a few years when things start picking it up it helps to have people working instead of the entire workforce retiring.

Or because its cheaper laying off experienced workers and employing ones to be trained,

Obviously banking and real estate are heavily hit at the moment. Most of the people planning on going into that are now flocking towards law (damn them) but there are all sorts of opportunities around. There are even safe opportunities for investment.

Banks cant lend money, firms rely on money for cash flow, firms cant pay suppliers, suppliers then cant pay workforce.... doesnt take a genuis (or even a law student)

People just need to be determined to carry on.

you can be as determined as you want, determination doent feed, clothe or house your family (unless your are said student who, incidentally gets funded by the taxes of this determined workforce you speak about)

And I mentioned suicide because that is the extreme alternative to giving up looking for a new job and continuing with life.

Yep, thats a new one to cutting the unemployment statistics, encourage said 'less determined' workforce to top themselves gives less on the dole and our government stats look fab.

Blazey, you are fortunate enought to live in a very sheltered life at the moment, and fair play to you, for working hard enough to get there. It may be hard for you to see the real effects of whats happening, maybe you havent seen more and more of your friends and ex workmates being made redundant. I hope you never have to struggle to put food on the table, or pay your rent or mortgage. Unfortunately more and more people these days are going through hell to do so

jaysay 17-02-2009 08:51

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 681120)
exactly theres now nearly 2 million out of work n bikes are too expensive.:rolleyes:

Well that's true cashy, somebody has just swiped Lance Armstrong's purpose built racing bike:D

jaysay 17-02-2009 08:58

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 681193)
...and yet the good people of Hyndburn kept returning him, right up until 1992.

I'm afraid you've just got to accept that it was your good old salt of the Earth working classes who supported Maggie by the millions.

The number of Tory grandees didn't increase. It was the hoards of traditional Labour supporters who bought into the dream of owning their own house, having shares, which ironically they already owned because they were nationalised industries, and wanted to 'better' their own lives.

The rich and famous never have and never will elect Tory Governments, its the ordenary man in the street that does that

Bernard Dawson 17-02-2009 12:07

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 681193)
...and yet the good people of Hyndburn kept returning him, right up until 1992.

I'm afraid you've just got to accept that it was your good old salt of the Earth working classes who supported Maggie by the millions.

The number of Tory grandees didn't increase. It was the hoards of traditional Labour supporters who bought into the dream of owning their own house, having shares, which ironically they already owned because they were nationalised industries, and wanted to 'better' their own lives.

Garinda Ken Hargreaves only won once after 1983, and that was in 1987. And that's only because the Labour Party handed Ken the seat on a plate.

When we got the right candidate, we won back the seat in 1992

claytonender 17-02-2009 12:30

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 681172)
If anyone on hear remembers the great depression then they have been silent.. I remember when accrington unemployment was almost 20% in the early eighties... then to be told by a Government that was elected by lets say more prosperous areas ..to get on your bike and find work.. "like le'tour de london" long bike ride.. and the same old Tory bods come creeping out like woodlice..

You are spot on with this post. The first time I was made redundant was in April 1984 -despite applying for a large number of jobs (and registering with a temp agency). I did not find any more work until late September and then it was as a temp, in fact it was not for 2 years before I got another permanent job (and then only because I was offered a job at a company I was temping at). I remember going to sign on in Accrington and the queues stretched out of the door.

Being made redundant in a depression can be soul destroying, it is the added pressure of not knowing whether you will ever get another job, whether you are going survive financially. Each job application or interview that turns you down can increase your feelings of 'worthlessness'.

Bernard Dawson 17-02-2009 16:05

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Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 681343)
You are spot on with this post. The first time I was made redundant was in April 1984 -despite applying for a large number of jobs (and registering with a temp agency). I did not find any more work until late September and then it was as a temp, in fact it was not for 2 years before I got another permanent job (and then only because I was offered a job at a company I was temping at). I remember going to sign on in Accrington and the queues stretched out of the door.

Being made redundant in a depression can be soul destroying, it is the added pressure of not knowing whether you will ever get another job, whether you are going survive financially. Each job application or interview that turns you down can increase your feelings of 'worthlessness'.

I have always been lucky with redundancy. But I remember in the 1980s it wasn't uncommon for people to made redundant 2 or 3 times within a short space of time.

jaysay 17-02-2009 16:12

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Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 681399)
I have always been lucky with redundancy. But I remember in the 1980s it wasn't uncommon for people to made redundant 2 or 3 times within a short space of time.

Or lose their jobs because it interfered with their political work:rolleyes:

garinda 17-02-2009 17:42

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Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 681340)
Garinda Ken Hargreaves only won once after 1983, and that was in 1987. And that's only because the Labour Party handed Ken the seat on a plate.

I didn't say anything different. He won two elections, and served as M.P. for Hyndburn 1983-92.

Personally I thought Ken Hargreaves did a good job for the borough, and is a good man, though I never voted for him. He helped me, after my grandma asked him to, and managed to get me some money owed to me whilst I was a student in Liverpool. The city at the mercy of the loony left at the time, under Derek Hatton.

I'll agree about Greg Pope though.

Thankfully Hyndburn came to their senses well before the rest of the country did '97'.:D

Bernard Dawson 17-02-2009 21:15

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 681457)
I didn't say anything different. He won two elections, and served as M.P. for Hyndburn 1983-92.

Personally I thought Ken Hargreaves did a good job for the borough, and is a good man, though I never voted for him. He helped me, after my grandma asked him to, and managed to get me some money owed to me whilst I was a student in Liverpool. The city at the mercy of the loony left at the time, under Derek Hatton.

I'll agree about Greg Pope though.

Thankfully Hyndburn came to their senses well before the rest of the country did '97'.:D

I wasn't inferring that Ken wasn't a good M.P. It took a very good labour candidate in Greg to beat him.

Eric 17-02-2009 21:28

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Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 681552)
I wasn't inferring that Ken wasn't a good M.P. It took a very good labour candidate in Greg to beat him.

I don't think you were inferring it; but you might have been implying it.

Bernard Dawson 17-02-2009 21:44

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 681563)
I don't think you were inferring it; but you might have been implying it.

Eric. Neither inferring nor implying. Ken Hargreaves was very popular local M.P.

And as I said it took a very good labour candidate, who also happened to be local to beat him.

Eric 17-02-2009 22:14

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Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 681569)
Eric. Neither inferring nor implying. Ken Hargreaves was very popular local M.P.

And as I said it took a very good labour candidate, who also happened to be local to beat him.

S'ok .... I was just being pedantic; it's a flaw of mine, essentially harmless, but sometimes annoying. And I just can't resist the urge to do it.;)

garinda 17-02-2009 22:58

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Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 681552)
I wasn't inferring that Ken wasn't a good M.P. It took a very good labour candidate in Greg to beat him.

Then I really don't know why you chose to quote my post, about 'the good people of Hyndburn kept returning him, blah, blah, blah, right up until 1992'.

My post contained no inacurracies.

You may not like the fact that this once Labour stronghold returned a Conservative M.P. to Westmisnster, at more than one election, but it's a fact.

You should have selected a more appealing candidate to stand against him.;)

Bernard Dawson 17-02-2009 23:29

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 681594)
Then I really don't know why you chose to quote my post, about 'the good people of Hyndburn kept returning him, blah, blah, blah, right up until 1992'.

My post contained no inacurracies.

You may not like the fact that this once Labour stronghold returned a Conservative M.P. to Westmisnster, at more than one election, but it's a fact.

You should have selected a more appealing candidate to stand against him.;)

I take your point. A more local candidate probably would have taken the seat in 1987. But we put it right in 1992.

Bernard Dawson 17-02-2009 23:36

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 681577)
S'ok .... I was just being pedantic; it's a flaw of mine, essentially harmless, but sometimes annoying. And I just can't resist the urge to do it.;)

Sorry Eric I was being a bit pedantic myself.

jedimaster 19-02-2009 11:37

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well all i can say is what a load of tosh.
i've been made redundant twice in two years (without redundancy pay). do ithink its been good for the soul? do i hell!
in the last two months of unemployment i have done everything in my power to get back to work to no avail. I have been in contact with over 300 coach companies plus the many other related vacancies i have found on the net/jobcenter and had how many redponses? THREE.
no-one is hiring and those vacancies that are there aren't responding
I am worn out, I feel degraded having to attend the job center Every fortnight to claim my pittance of dole money. I cant support my family,
My home is being reposessed and I am in debt up to my eyeballs because tger aint enough coming in to pay the bills.
I have been through every channel to look at the opportunity to retrain or go back to college and I am getting nowhere. College courses dont start untill september so I have to either stay unemployed untill then (which I do not want to do) or dind a job (ha ha) and pay for the course myself come september (which I cant afford).

good for the soul - I think not. I have never felt so low in my life and personally I cant see things getting any better.

They used to say a public flogging was good for the soul, and after a comment like that i think it would be good for mine to see this guy get one.

cashman 19-02-2009 11:40

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i think ya should write to that pillock jedi n explain exactly that.;)

jedimaster 19-02-2009 11:43

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if I had the energy or the inclination I probably would

blazey 19-02-2009 16:06

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Originally Posted by jedimaster (Post 682404)
well all i can say is what a load of tosh.
i've been made redundant twice in two years (without redundancy pay). do ithink its been good for the soul? do i hell!
in the last two months of unemployment i have done everything in my power to get back to work to no avail. I have been in contact with over 300 coach companies plus the many other related vacancies i have found on the net/jobcenter and had how many redponses? THREE.
no-one is hiring and those vacancies that are there aren't responding
I am worn out, I feel degraded having to attend the job center Every fortnight to claim my pittance of dole money. I cant support my family,
My home is being reposessed and I am in debt up to my eyeballs because tger aint enough coming in to pay the bills.
I have been through every channel to look at the opportunity to retrain or go back to college and I am getting nowhere. College courses dont start untill september so I have to either stay unemployed untill then (which I do not want to do) or dind a job (ha ha) and pay for the course myself come september (which I cant afford).

good for the soul - I think not. I have never felt so low in my life and personally I cant see things getting any better.

They used to say a public flogging was good for the soul, and after a comment like that i think it would be good for mine to see this guy get one.

Lots of Universities tend to do summer courses which may not pay anything but would at least provide some new skills whilst you wait for full time courses to begin in September.

The nearest place would be Blackburn HE centre though I'm not entirely sure what they offer, the next closest being Preston, Bolton or Lancaster.

I don't really like the idea of feeling sorry for yourself, in general this is, not directed at you. I had to spend a lot of money at college funding my own art supplies and I lost out on EMA most of the time because insomnia and depression made my attendance minimal and I just borrowed money off people once I lost my job to keep going. It was degrading borrowing money and I'm currently in quite a lot of debt from funding education and stuff.

I've had to do voluntary work to build up skills which then make me even more attractive to employers and just rely on my overdraft and credit cards.

Kind of overlapping threads here but I once read a useful piece of advice. When you are in good work you should set enough money aside for at least 3 months of bills and living costs, so then in times when you do hit hard times you can still support yourself enough to hopefully find a new job or plan.

I'm not saying that is infallible, but it is a start. Everyone hits hard times and most people learn a lot from them. If people aren't learning anything from falls then they're missing opportunity in failure!

I ended up at a better university than originally planned on the basis of failure and finding opportunity. I wouldn't ever wish that I hadn't been made redundant, nor would I wish I had never been depressed or suffering from insomnia. It's all just part of my journey and my destination has always been success regardless of the falls and stumbles.

katex 19-02-2009 16:30

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Even law people are not escaping Blazey, a friend of mine's daughter, who is a solicitor for the largest firm in Manchester, has just been put on 4 days for a while. She is on the land/buildings side which reflects the economic crisis, but food for thought for your future.

Sorry about your problem Jedimaster .. your post moved me.

Wondered why we did not get your competition of 'Where is this ?' anymore. Photographs you took on your travels; loved that. Hope things turn around for you soon. x

cashman 19-02-2009 18:41

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not as straightforward as ya seem to think blaze, most people wed with young families, DO NOT have money to put to one side fer a rainy day fer yer 3 months of paying bills, n i know,been there n done it. sure it can be difficult fer single people, as you illustrate, but many have a different mindset with young families, they do not like borrowing money,plus it certainly not as easy to do so,these are things ya will discover on yer journey through life.:)

jedimaster 19-02-2009 19:11

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 682618)
not as straightforward as ya seem to think blaze, most people wed with young families, DO NOT have money to put to one side fer a rainy day fer yer 3 months of paying bills, n i know,been there n done it. sure it can be difficult fer single people, as you illustrate, but many have a different mindset with young families, they do not like borrowing money,plus it certainly not as easy to do so,these are things ya will discover on yer journey through life.:)


youre right there cashy!
it's not that simple. as i said in my first post blaze this has happened to me twice in two years - so unfortunately any spare cash has gone into repaying everything borrowed to get us through last time
second its all very good these summer courses being available but if you hadn't noticed its not summer for another 3-4 months and another 3-4 months untill september and i'm supposed to sit on my rear living on £60 a week to pay a mortgage thats in arrears plus normal costs of living plus paying all other debts owed. Where pray tell me does the money come from for college courses, fees, equipment etc

you'd make a great a great politician blaze
shame you didnt pay for a maths course too

garinda 20-02-2009 01:10

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Originally Posted by jedimaster (Post 682639)
youre right there cashy!
it's not that simple. as i said in my first post blaze this has happened to me twice in two years - so unfortunately any spare cash has gone into repaying everything borrowed to get us through last time
second its all very good these summer courses being available but if you hadn't noticed its not summer for another 3-4 months and another 3-4 months untill september and i'm supposed to sit on my rear living on £60 a week to pay a mortgage thats in arrears plus normal costs of living plus paying all other debts owed. Where pray tell me does the money come from for college courses, fees, equipment etc

you'd make a great a great politician blaze
shame you didnt pay for a maths course too

I hope you get offered something suitable soon.

It's never happened to me but I knew people in the eighties who got made redundant, and it was soul destroying for them, as they tried and tried to find other employment so they could keep a roof over their family's heads.

Good luck.

Mancie 20-02-2009 01:47

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Been made redundant.. have seen things on the notice board in cateens saying "come to the dance.. the redundance" .. yeah you get a few hundred quid then bye bye... then you have to go sign on..in most cases... then you just get another job in another trade.. but that was in the 80's.. you can't do that these days

garinda 20-02-2009 09:49

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 682845)
Been made redundant.. have seen things on the notice board in cateens saying "come to the dance.. the redundance" .. yeah you get a few hundred quid then bye bye... then you have to go sign on..in most cases... then you just get another job in another trade.. but that was in the 80's.. you can't do that these days

I think in the eighties you'd be considered pretty damn lucky just to get a job in another trade, as you suggest.

There weren't many trades to walk in to if you happened to live in a pit village, or a town that only had one main factory that had made people redundant.

Lampman 20-02-2009 10:07

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Having been made redundant only twice in a period of 30 years,I consider myself one of the lucky ones.Others have suffered far more than this.
Although I am now in 'reduced circumstances' I cut my cloth accordingly e.g no holidays, meals out etc.
Even then it is a struggle,as I said before I am one of the lucky ones with no young dependants.
To be out of work in this day and age is very difficult.
Is it time to have a re think on increasing payments to the genuine job seeker and penalise the workshy?
I know it wouldn't be easy,but surely someone who has paid taxes and National Insurance all their working lives should receive a better payback than others who's hardest work is getting out of bed before lunchtime.
Before the PC brigade get on my case,yes there are people with genuine reasons for not actively seeking work,but then again there are many who seek to milk the system.
The money they receive could be better spent, I am sure.

jedimaster 20-02-2009 14:03

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to be honest -and i know i can only speak from my experience as a person who would prefer to be working a redistribution of funding is what is needed- rather than us dole dossers (lol) living on government handouts
redistribute the cash into providing proper training courses with a recognised qualification at the end of it.
maybe proper subsidies for companies willing to train someone to do more than wield a bog brush. Educate companies as to the value of teaching someone to do a job as opposed to waiting 12 months for someone already qualified. Instead all we have is empty promises churned out from a hundred government funded thinktanks who create these new initiatives which when investigated, provide not opportunites to train as promised or advertised, but an endless circle of one department passing you on to another on to another and so on untill you either end up back where you started, still none the wiser because noone will accept responsibility or haven't got a clue what you are talking about, or if you are really lucky your head disappears up your own rear passage.

'give a man a fish and he'll feed himself for a day - give a man the means to fish for himself and he'll feed him and his family for a lifetime'

i know it's a cliche but it's true.

blazey 20-02-2009 20:20

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thankfully I am young, perhaps naive, but still full of ambition and fresh opportunities and choices. I have been made redundant from jobs clearly because I was the youngest amongst older employees and considered to be the least effected by it.

there are people in their 50's at university, some on my course, and they get the same funding as any other student. experience in careers is taken into account for mature students rather than qualifications alone, and I've spent a lot of my time around older students when I was campaigning for the DCE last year, which I mentioned on this forum.

redundancy isn't pleasant, nobody is saying that, but it doesn't have to be the end of the world, whatever age you are. If I thought this wasn't the case then I wouldn't say so, but then I suppose Lancaster might as well be an entirely different world to Accrington.


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