were is the "line" ?
 

At what point is the the line drawn between racisism or the "send em home"...brigade..and the open racism towards black people that exists on this forum ?..I honestly would like to know.. if only to see how far it can be pushed... and in my opinion it is getting slam dunk racist .from bods who have never even seen a black person.. and if they have should "get on the bike" and get stuck in... it's not on from me.

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I don't see where you are coming from personally.
I would like to see many people sent home not because i am racist but because i am fed up of foreigners taking our jobs nothing more nothing less.

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Don't think its a Black on White , or Brown on White or (here in the US) a Bronze (hispanic) on White issue , just think its a culture/lifestyle issue , more and more White Northern Europeans , including North Americans and Australians are seeing the traditional cultures they grew up with disappearing at an alarming rate and are fearful of it , think primarily the folks most affected are the skilled and unskilled working class groups who see themselves on the front line ,since they live in closest proximity to new immigrants, these are historically the folks who have allways been the first to welcome needy strangers into thier midst . providing the newcomer made an effort to adapt to their new surroundings , and many see that this no longer happens .

Going back to the late 50s and early 60s their was never any animosity to Asian immigrants in the Lancashire mill towns , young guys came over , got jobs in the mills, drank in the pubs and were known to their neighbours , same as the Poles who came over after 1945 , inside their homes they lived their "own way" but outside they were like the rest of the community . there was probably more bigotry in most homes against Catholics , they had their own Schools and Church 'walking' days than the rest of us .

Think it would be interesting to hear from someone from the Asian community who came over in the early days and hear what they have to say what their thoughts are about how community relations were then and how they compare to these days ( just using 'Asian' as an example since Accrington never had a big West Indian community)

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Ok ..plain speak.. every day... or at least every week a post/thread is placed on here that is blatant propaganda against non whites living here...I take a dim view of that...this stuff is taken as carved in stone if it is reported in any newspaper and certian members give the same old cry "hang em" whip em..send em home... these people really do need to get out more.. even a visit to the pie shop or just sitting on benches provided by the council and watching the new buses go by is sometimes a great therapy for these bods..let em live.. but not for long eh!

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onlyme..your post has vanished?

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You seem to be one of those people who believe that racism is a one way street.

I've posted on here that personally the most blatent and overt reacism I've ever witnessed was by Asians against indigineous Africans in east Africa.

Just this week in the Observer there was a man who was racially abused and had his dog attacked, does that not count because the victim happened to be white?

Prejudice based on someones race is wrong, in my opinion. Though I have no problem demanding immigrants, of whatever colour, move to another country if their sole objective is to take away people's hard earned democratic rights.

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yeah very nice Garinda..but the racism on here is not by Africans or Asians..it is by respected members of the community..like yourself...openly racist posts are frequent and are nothing to do with people trying to take any rights from us.. anything proposed by a council or this Government that is desgined to intergrate communities is jumped on and slagged off as some PC brigade... it is rampant on this forum.

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I think your right Rindi, nobody ever bothers about positive discrimination, I have no problem with people coming to live and work in this country, what I can't except are people trying to claim asylum after travelling though two or three other countries to get here because they think the streets are paved with gold. I also think that there is no room for people who would have us change our rules just to suit them and those who preach hatred should be on the first plane out, end of

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But you do have a problem with peolple coming to live and work in this country! don't talk bollocks...most people here talk a good outlook but don't really want any foriegn people coming here for work or anything else..talk solid man...next week you'll be posting crap about summat you read in the Daily Mail.

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Like myself?

I'd be very interested for you to quote a post of mine that was racist.

I've been publicly fighting racism since the late seventies, a time when your brain hadn't been as pickled by alcohol as it appears to be now.

I'm quite open in that my prejudices are based on the fact that some religions are trying to undermine the very core of our society, and some people, women for example, would have severley restricted lives if they succeed.

Unlike yourself I know the world isn't black or white, and nor are it's problems. There is more than one religion that is trying to curtail democratic freedoms in this country, and those religions have followers of every race, and colour, so my opposition could only be seen as racist by an idiot.

I look forward to reading the evidence I've asked you to post as an example.

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I've kept the very first death threats I received at the age of sixteen, from a National Front supporter.

The garbled idiocy was quite funny.

You'd probably understand what they were trying to say.

I couldn't make head nor tail of their semi-literate rant.

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Ok..aint got the sherlock holmes stuff to find any comments made.. but I do know that you have posted stuff stating terrorist supporters from Pakistan and Afganistan should be deported but not supporters of the IRA..whatever.. my basic point as in this thread is that there is a racist attitude on this web.. black and asian people get slagged off on here...so where do we draw a line between racism or debate?

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I'll save you the time of searching through my posts.

I have never said anything like what you've just posted in the above quote.

You are wrong.

Simple as.

Even if you took your blinkers off I fear you still wouldn't be able to see.

Get your facts right before you even attempt to try and tell me what I've said on here, or more importantly, what was actually meant.

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Ok.. don't know your posts ..and can't sat I've trawled through past posts.. but I don't need to because I get a general feeling of opposition to any foreigners living or coming here...now you lot can deny this but the are not many posts with a positive attitude to immagrants... don't stick you heads in the sand.. some people are openly racist in their posts and would not deny it.... I'm saying where is the line drawn between racism and pratical debate?

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Only read the Mail twice a week, sometimes have a look on line, I never have had a problem with people coming to work here, I have a problem people coming here taking jobs off British workers, like we are witnessing at the power station in East Anglia, but as usual nobody has to have an opinion other than our great hope Mancie:D

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Oh dear, oh dear, Manky! Whatever have the members of accyweb done to you to deserve such a venomous attack?

We all know prejudice exists but it doesn't exist to a greater degree on here, if anything it is far less prevalent than in real life.

You claim to want a practical debate but so far all you have done is shown extreme prejudice to your fellow members, not a very good way of coaxing people to give you an unbiased opinion is it?

Or maybe for some reason known only to you you are cruising for a ban so that when you are again allowed on site you can claim to have been unfairly treated by the racists on here?

Why not calm down get a few hours sleep take a few days off the artificial stimulants you are on, then when your hangover is gone come back on here and read what you have said, it may even open your eyes to how silly you are acting!
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Some of my posts could be interpreted as racist, but wasnt the intention, people from other countries, entering through legal channels, and working for a living, and accepting our way of life, without forcing thier own down our throats, I have absolutely no problem with. Illegal entries, people who have come here and never worked/contributed to our society, attempt to change our customs, or have us adopt thiers, scrounge off the state, run drugs, credit card scams, and a whole lot more, are in themselves racist towards us, so to them, yes, I could be called racist.

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Thanks Less.. at least you have opened your gob for a change..I am looking for a ban?.. you got some inside info on that?...anyways I don't regard asking a simple question as a venomous attack on anyone... I do think there is a very thin line between general grievences with the forgrieners and open racism... to push it aside is uninteresting and a cop out.... If we ever meet Less.. you buy the stakes and I'll bring the hammer.

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No inside information,
Shouldn't that have an exclamation mark after it? I take it it was a statement of admission rather than a question?

Your attitude lately, there are times I can read what you write and it is bordering on intelligent and then at times like this and I wonder if you allow your moronic side to take command, which is very sad I prefer the clever one.
:)

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hey am I bovverd?..does it seem like I'm bovverd?..I am asking a question and made my stance known..nothing clever or moronic..simple question.

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You ask a question then slag them of when their answer doesn't fit your profile, if you don't want people to speak their mind don't ask the question:rolleyes:

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No problem with people speaking their mind.. that is what this thread is about... but I do have a problem when someone slams into me just to have a dig... speak your mind about the question I asked.

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there is no answer to yer question mancie, everyone draws their own lines about stuff, n then disagrees with all others, its called life.

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well to me it's not called life when threads posted are aimed at the non white population and usually met with the same old tune of send em home ...but thanks for the answer.

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Was this thread posted to be contentious or do you really want some sort of serious debate Mancie?
Because I think you've had it.
I am pretty sure this subject has been covered in many guises in the past, if you care to check the archives.
Would you like vinegar for chip you have on your shoulder?

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Re: Where is the "line"?

Everyone else appears to know where it is. I suggest you make more effort trying to keep on the right side of it.

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Kind of like your last line Margaret, pity I didn't think of it:D

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The idea of immigrants 'taking our jobs' is a joke. I was once offered a cleaning job because I was the only white person who applied.

I didn't take the job because I felt the other applicants were clearly more experienced than me and I was being offered the job on the wrong 'merits'

The fact that people even use that as an excuse is disgusting in my opinion.

If all the British immigrants came back to England we wouldn't have enough space for them, never mind enough jobs. And unless you were willing to accept the British people back from the other countries if we decided to kick out all their immigrants, I don't think we really have the grounds to complain.

Not to mention how much necessary talent comes into the country to work, which we would struggle to produce ourselves. Doctors are a pretty good example of that, there is a very culturally-varied selection of doctors to be found in the UK.

I personally couldn't imagine living in an entirely white country, I'd find it really peculiar having been immersed in so much culture throughout my education and life so far. I think if I was forced to work with only white people I'd probably choose to immigrate as well, as I don't believe we'd be able to achieve world-class standards of business without the diverse work force.

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to be honest i feel the white man has more predjudice against him but thats the govenments and teh PC brigades fault

for example i have never heard of the police having a recruitment drive where they are told to recruit the white applicant even if the white applicant is less suitable than the black applicant

the govenment and PC brigade are probably resposible for more acts of racism than the BNP exept they discriminate against white english people

the coloured people and ethnic minorities as a whole dont demand prefiencial treatment , it is thrust upon them by teh idiots that make stup rules which lean in favour of couloured or ethnic minorities , hence building up resentment

im pretty sure teh govenment quite happily lets us get on bickering at each other as its a good distraction from noticing what the govenment is up to if were too busy bickering amongs ourselves


if dare to disagree and think it wrong that somone gets prefriential treatment because of tehir skin colour and your labled a racist

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Who's talking about Black and White blazey, colour has nothing to do with the troubles at the East Anglian Power Station, its about workers being shipped in to take jobs off skilled British workers, which in my book is out of order:(

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Well said - 'Divide and Rule' - it seems to working because we let it

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I would like to pose the question 'Is the Sri Lankan chap who owns a shop being racist if says he will only serve those customers who speak English?'
He is not white,he is not English, but he has embraced the culture and language of his adopted country........he chooses to be here, he works and pays his taxes here......and he feels that the people who are dmamging this country are the ones who won't integrate by learning the language. He considers that language is a big unifier......and he reckons that if people come here and don't learn the language then they should go back to the country of birth(or that of their ancestors if they were born here).
Do you consider these to be racist remarks?

Personally I think he is saying what an awful lot of the population think.

Thanks for the comment Jaysay. It just seems to me that Mancie has some kind of axe to grind.....though I am sure he will enlighten me if he thinks that I am wrong.

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And as for the line...it is too late to draw a line. The great influx of economic migrants started years ago and was promoted by our very lax border security.
No-one in government knew how many people were coming in.......and once in they didn't leave.

When you go to the airport it is a joke that there are Immigration Officials checking passports......they give a fleeting look at the passport and sometimes don't even look at the bearer of the passport.
If you go to a country with real Immigration control you would see a vastly different picture.
Australia for instance.....both you and your passport are scrutinised, you are asked the length of your stay and the purpose of your visit...and they want to know where you will be staying while you are in their country.

It makes our immigration officials look like clowns.

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I don't quite know how you can say there is racism against Black people on this forum.
I for one, do not know the ethnic origin of many of the folk on here.
I haven't been to any forum meets.......and so unless someone indicates that they are of a different racial origin, I wouldn't know.
And while I am at it.......who is there on here who has not seen a black person?
We meet people of different races in every walk of life.......some of them will interact with us and others prefer to keep with their own people...that is their choice.
Mancie you are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but I don't think you gave any relevant justification for that opinion in this post.

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I view this issue quite simply.

If I invite someone to live in my house (yes I know I live in a flat) and he starts to take over, then out he goes.

Put that on a national scale and the same applies.

During WWII many Europeans fled the Nazi jackboot to settle over here. But they didn’t try to take over. They didn’t build their own churches and schools. The Polish Catholics negotiated with the local Catholic Church to hold their Polish language masses, confessions etc at a time that was free. The Polish immigrants negotiated with local schools to use them after hours to teach their own Polish kids the Polish language and culture, whilst at the same time teaching them English. The nearest they got to “taking over” was renting suitable buildings to use as Social Clubs mainly for Poles but others could go if signed in by a member. Just like the normal Working Men’s Clubs.

The majority of Muslim Asians, on the other hand, are taking over the country bit by bit as the enclaves in Blackburn and other towns are testimony to.

My view is, always has been and always will be, that England is my country and anyone from abroad who comes to live here, for whatever reason, has to abide by our rules. In the same way that if I go abroad I would be expected to abide by their rules especially in a Muslim country.

I don’t expect immigrants to abandon their culture but I won’t accept them trying to force it onto me.

Actually it is poetic justice as England spent centuries forcing our culture and way of life on umpteen foreign countries, especially in Africa and the far and middle east. The chickens have come home to roost, but that doesn’t make it right.

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As a sort of aside, but on the general topic of immigration: Jason Kenney, Canada's Minister of citizenship, Immigration, and Multi-Culturalism is proposing that no one can become a citizen of this country unless they are fluent in one of our two official languages ...

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Don't have a problem with all this racist rubbish.
I just click my fingers and the Punka Wallah springs into action.

He's hoping for a hot summer to stay in a job.:hehetable

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By the way the Kulfi Wallah is in the same boat.

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Re Margarets post #32 The chap in question has now left his job (although I think he was given a push!)

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Well, that is sad, but he still has the right attitude.
In the newspaper that I read, it said that one fo the Asian people who took exception to his rule was going to make sure there was a new postmaster in the post office come Monday...so it seems she got her way then.

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E-eeh, Mancie, lad, you don't half talk some tripe. Accyweb is like anywhere out in the real world...some people are racist...some aren't. The problem is you seem only too eager to label every Tom, Dick and Harry as a racist. Everyone who dares to criticize your beloved government's immigration policy...everyone who dares to criticize anyone who is non-white (the Islamic fundamentalists who abused our homecoming troops recently)...they're all racists in your little PC world.

But to call Garinda a racist really is ludicrous...the guy hasn't a racist bone in his body. And I noticed that when challenged to come up with examples of his so-called racist remarks, you soon backed down.

I know immigrants, Mancie...dozens of 'em. They've all come here legitimately and they all get on with their lives, working hard and paying their taxes, without recourse to benefits. And believe me, they despise the phoney asylum seekers, the illegals, those who just come here to sponge off the state and those who want to change British society to their own way of thinking. In my view, people like you, searching for racism where there isn't any, actually make life more difficult for them, but, then again, what would I know...after all, I'm just another racist! :rolleyes:

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Think that say's it all Wynonie:mosher:

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Is paranoia setting in here or is it a case of panic we are about to have our culture crushed?

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Well they keep trying Spugs

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I guess the line should be drawn at the point where anyone shows Hate or Prejudice against someone because of purely their Race or Colour. However if people from different religions or ethnic backgrounds disagree with one another for other valid or perceived valid reasons then there should be the right of open debate, opinions and critisim. We dont live in a society where everyone has to agree with one another, to stiffle debate encourages extremism of all kinds. I dont see any evidence of racist comments on here, and its interesting that you've not been able to specifically highlight any either. I do see an ammount of anger and frustration on here though about the way debate and opinions are being manipulated by an increasingly PC driven society!. Surely your own generalistic comments about the forum is showing a kind of prejudice, buts thats your opinion, and your'e entitled to voice it. Your arguments do tend to lose much of their credibility though when you make unfounded personal attacks on individuals you happen to have differences of opinion with.

Best Regards - Taggy

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A sensible approach to immigrants.

Would you like to put it to Gordon Brown?

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Only if he can speak one of our official languages ... I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, that he is probably a well meaning person .... but I have heard him speak on tv several times; and, to put it bluntly, bs is not one of our official languages:rolleyes:

Here's another thing ... and I know it will rub some of you the wrong way ... but anyone wishing to become a Candian citizen has to swear -alliegence to the Queen ... some people have baulked at this one, so, they didn't get citizenship ... whether you agree with this or not, they are our rules; and anyone who wants the rights and priveleges of a Canadian citizen has to play the game by our rules. And the rules we have are made in Canada, by the Canadians we elect to our provincial and federal parliaments, not by some super- or trans-national assembly over which we have little control. I know, that as a Canadian, it is not really any of my business, but I'll offer my two cents worth: I don't see any benefits for Britain in the EU ... I like a world with distinct national identities ... homogenization maybe ok for milk; but, for the world, I just don't see it.

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Seems fair enough to me Eric, you make the rules and if people want to play your game they play by your rules. When people come to live in this county we expect them to play by our rules, but then we're labeled racists, funny that really:rolleyes:

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I'm not racist, I just hate all immigrants, foreigners & everyone else too. :D

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Well we sympathies mattylad, after all you do live with the Dingles:D

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Eric , think you should check out the "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America , Canada isn't as independant as you think

Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

know that wikipedia isn't the best source , but gives a you a bit of an idea about whats going in the background with the North American Union and New World Order :eek: ;)

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I have read about that too - this New World Order looks sinister to me :eek:
I am beginning to doubt many things we are 'fed' by governments

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Nothing new ... Canada has always had close ties with the US in terms of trade, defence (NORAD, the DEW line), and since 9-11, quite probably on border security. But the differences between the two countries are immense. Cuba, for example, I can still buy Montecristos and vacation in Cuba ... the contentious debates over softwood lumber (not a well known one, but very important) and many other bitter debates surrounding NAFTA .... under a conservative govt., we get a little closer ... and when, inevitably with our politcs, the Liberals regain power, we back off. Friends we may be .... allies when it suits our interests (we don't do Iraq, but we do Afghanistan, not as US allies, but because of our commitment to NATO) ... but, we are independent; and that will never change.

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Let's hope you continue to have a choice

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This is a good point and I was once in my car on a dual Carriage in Blackburn
5 Asian boys approached my car as I was stationary at the lights. They rocked it and taunted me calling me 'A F***ing white B*t*h'
I went to report this at the station in a shaken state and was first told it wasn't racism cos I was white.. Ugh?
I argued the point and they had to send a policeman down with a form from Preston to fill in as they didn't have any for me

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Unfortunately susie racism is a one way street, bet if you'd have recipicated (not as you would, being a lady:D) your feet wouldn't have touched

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This quote is probbably the most sensible and reflective quote regarding all immigrants in Britain by the majority of decent hard working people.
Well said,:jimbo:

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think thats summat most sensible people can hang their coats on.

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Racism isn't a one way street. There are cases in this country where non whites have been prosecuted for racial crimes in this country, and quite rightly so if they are guilty of such crimes.

Here's a link which highlights two cases, though there are many more if you care to look.

'The most recent analysis shows that in 2004, 87,000 people from black or minority ethnic communities (BME) said they had been a victim of a racially motivated crime. In the same period, 92,000 white people said they had also fallen victim'


'Focusing on violent racial attacks, 49,000 BME were victims. Among whites, the number was 77,000.'

BBC NEWS | UK | Racism and race crime redefined

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The thing is Rindi, its very rare to hear of positive discrimination being prosecuted, as opposed to the other way round

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The figures are there.

Racist attacks are reported, and people are prosecuted, whatever the racial background of the victim, and that includes white victims too.

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So the true facts are being distorted by the media reports.
Doing that escalates the resentment in the group under-reported

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'Nearly half of all victims of racially motivated murders in the last decade have been white, according to official figures released by the Home Office.The data, released under Freedom of Information legislation, shows that between 1995 and 2004 there have been 58 murders where the police consider a racial element played a key part. Out of these, 24 have been where the murder victim was white'

'The figures also overturn the assumption that almost all racial murders are committed against ethnic minority victims.'

Racial murders: nearly half the victims are white | UK news | The Observer

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thanks for the stats Garinda.. but "nearly half" would be 27.. I'm not about to get drawn into statistics about racial attacks... the original question has been answered by many people... and god help us.

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Has that not always been the case with most things?

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They are the statistics, the facts.

I was just wanting to show that the laws we have are there to protect everyone, regardless of the colour of the victim or the attacker.

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Statistics or Propaganda, which is best?? Lets leave it for Harry Hill!:D

Best Regards - Taggy

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Remember the saying Rindi there are lies Damn lies and statistics, you can make statistics say anything you want, just depends who or what organisations are compiling them:rolleyes:

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I'm just giving the facts.

The facts show that there are white victims of racist crimes, and anyone who trys to make out that the laws are there just to protect a particular group are wrong.

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Here's a nice example illusrating the laws relating to racial crimes being used to prosecute a Scot, whose victim was English.;)


Drunk shouted racist abuse at English doctor - Airdrie & Coatbridge Advertiser

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Very interesting Rindi, but I thought that's what most Scots call us sasanachs:D Its surprising whilst reading the article how some memories were roused, Airdrie Coatbridge, Monklands and Cumbernauld are all places I work with Lancashire Barfitters many moons ago

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I lived there for three years and can't say I ever felt racially abused.

Mind you they probably didn't know I was English, and just presumed I was from another planet.:D

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I don't doubt the statistics although they haven't factored in the breakdown of the population. We have roughly 10% Asian population in the UK, so the proportion of murders of Asians in a racist attack is higher than the rest of the 90%.

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Well to be quite honest I've often though that too Rindi:D:D:p

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Shushhhhhhhhhhhhh Gayle you've rumbled it:D

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That of course is quite right.

Percentage wise you're much more likely to be a victim of crime if you're from a non-white background.

I was just trying to dispel the myth that the race laws we have are there to protect only one group of people.

They aren't.

They apply to everyone equally.

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Yeh, but as there are less Asians to attack the 90% of whites, then percentage representation does not count... :confused:

Like, if you work it the other way, say there are 10,000 Asians in a community and 100,000 whites .... then showing that 50 Asians were victims of racial abuse, then that is 0.05 percent of whites that have attacked.

If the figure for whites is 50, (half of the victims) then that is .69 percent of Asians that have attacked.