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ok what do Accy web users think about this "story"

Accused of rape after one-night stand the 'victim' was too drunk to remember | Mail Online

sounds a right old slag to me :confused: :confused:

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As you say, if this goes through then its time for all blokes to give up.

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That is ridiculous!

It's a night of regret... albeit one she can't remember but no need to call it rape!

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How does anyone know at what point someone is too drunk to consent? Perhaps as well as conventional protection, people are going to have to start taking breathalisers out now whenever you think you might meet someone you end up staying the night with...if you cant drive you cant......:eek:

She certainly had a very clear memory of the Law upon waking though! Surely theres a big difference between Rape and a Mistake.


Best Regards - Taggy

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In the report it more or less says she had 3 bottles of wine, on this I have some observations 1/ I'm glad I'm not a friend, 3 bloody bottles :eek: 2/ it appears she must drink this much regularly, you don't drink so much unless your used to it. 3/ to accuse the guy of rape must tell this woman something, stop drinking an make sure your in control if you engage with the opposite sex 4/ like entwisi said if he is convicted blokes may as well give up. Rape is a terrible crime, but for a woman to cry rape in this instance is bordering on the ridicules

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How drunk was he? If he was sober then its rape... if he was as drunk as her then surely the same rules apply for both and he wasnt in a fit condition to say no either... he should have counter claimed that she raped him....

You dont have to drink the same amounts to be equally drunk.. we all know that yes?

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Also, they say not in a condition to say 'yes', but if you are sober don't often actually say 'yes' do you ... just sort of happens, unless you say 'no' ...:confused: If you don't say 'no' usually a sign for a fella' to carry on. Love Taggy's remark about the breathalyser.

Hope you understand me.

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If he had have raped her then Im sure he wouldnt have stayed there til the following morning.

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its women like this that make it so difficult for women that have been raped or sexually assaulted to get the man convicted, really really annoys me!!

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How did she know that they had sex if she was that drunk?

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He told her in the morning
Then she went for an examination to be sure

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This is going nowhere, the CPS feel obliged to run these "Non Starter" cases following pressure from various groups. The Government keep fiddling with the wording of the Act but a jury of 12 men AND women are just not convinced "beyond reasonable doubt". We are not talking about stranger rape here we are talking about adults who know each other and often work together.
Still the lawyers will be rubbing their hands.

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and yes I agree with emamum that these idiots are making it harder for real rape victims

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Him or her?

:rolleyes::D

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Oh you can be a bitch sometimes sweety:D

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Thats about as clear as mud kate:D

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So at what stage during the evening did this obviously intelligent woman decide she could negate responsibility for her own body? This case makes a mockery of the rape laws as far as I am concerned. :(

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Bit odd how she was able to decided if she could manage 2 more bottles, but not able to have sex?

I think shes a two-bit lawyer trying to make a name for herself, by using a newish law and a poor scapegoat. She should be struck off and maybe stop binge drinking.

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Yep, she should have taken a morning after pill, checked she had two kidneys, kicked the bloke out, vowed to drink less and chalked it up to experience.

No way this should be classed as rape.

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well if she cried rape to prevent looking like a slag then its sure back fired on her lol

thing about slags is that everyone knows their slags no matter how hard they try to cover it up with tales of woe and pitty

this woman is now going to be known as the slag that cries rape so no one is going to touch her with a barg pole form now on for fear of been arrested for rape

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The thing is though her identification is protected the poor guy has been named.

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yup i have always said in cases of sexuall assault the guy should not be named until found guilty because mud sticks

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Just what I was thinking:)

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there was a case similar to this in clayton back in 1995, a certain someone ( i wont name her, she's a slapper) accused someone i know, of rape, it turned out, he didnt rape her, they went to have sex and she thought her boyfriend might see her, so she cried rape, it was the second time she'd done it, the first time she had gone with a bloke and was wearing a dress that she had borrowed off a friend, the dress ripped in the process and she cried rape because she didnt want to take the blame for the dress ripping

the bloke that i know spent 4 months behind bars awaiting sentence...he was named and shamed for no reason and she kept her anonimity

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That's the part that really gets my goat Bernie, what happened innocent till proved guilty, this guy's name will be dragged through the mud come what may, and if he's found not guilty, we still wouldn't know who the woman is, it stinks to me and always has:(

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did i not just say that in my post before Jay? it happened to someone i know...no justice whatsoever

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Just to be on the safe side have a pile of consent forms at the side of the bed, even funnier (and it's not a funny subject) was the one in Manchester were he had filmed it!

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Yes flashy but I'd posted before I read yours

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I wonder if it would be a rape case if it was the other way around:rolleyes:
woman rapes man???

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although it does actually happen if every man that woke up next to a minger cried rape the rape statistics would be more than quadruple what they are now pmsl

men dont tend to cry rape they simply sneak out before the minger wakes up ,changes his mobile phone number and prays to god that he didnt give his home address to them :)

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Or perhaps don't to want to hear any criticism of their beer droop performance perhaps... you men are soooo egotistical .... :rolleyes:

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ive always said ive never been to bed with a minger...............woke up next to a few though.:D

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well to put it bluntly i would much rather wake up finding teh woman i was with had done a runner than wake up and find my self been accused of rape

US MEN may be soooooo egotisticle as you put it but what we dont do is dial 999 after regreting sex with somone and scream rape .

i merely pointed out in jest the mans way of dealing with regreted sex which is avoidance of the person they had sex with where as plenty of women for some reason scream rape which i might add only notifys almost everyone they know that they slept with that person and makes them look a damn sight worse when they are caught out lying

personaly i think buggering off beofore the woman wakes up is a lot less damaging than screaming rape for no reason and destroying some poor sods life

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I know your remark was in jest Accyman, and so was my response, however, you did digress from the thread content slightly here, and the fact that you call some women 'mingers' is a harsh way to negate your regret of someone you did not wish to have a repeat performance with. Most of us women who regret would not call 999 by the way, we would merely keep our lips buttoned or posssibly just admit to a close friend that we had made a terrible mistake, without the insults.

Please do not even suggest that I am agreeing with the woman in this case .. I do not, for all the constructive points everyone has contributed here.

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lol women are just as bad as men when describing regretable partners and can be just as vulgar towards their opposite sex as men can to theirs, the content of womens chatter in the ladies loos is probably even worse lol

perhaps how a woman describes a regretable partner is the difference between been a lady or been a slapper lol

im assuming you are a lady :D

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Wouldn't quite say that, but guess times may have changed slightly, and maybe young girls these days do speak in derogatory terms of their liaisons.

Would really like to understand what you define as a slapper though ? :D

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me in my younger days :D

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:rolleyes: ;)

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Excuse me miss katex, egotistical, use lads perfect gents I'll have you know, in fact when you get a bunch of girls together, they are far worse than us chaps:D:D:D:rolleyes:

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Think they call that Newcastle Brown syndrome cashy:D:D

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I take it you had have plenty of experience at that :D:D:D

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When we were young kate, I know its a long time ago:D ladies didn't kiss and tell, in other words like some women now do, have an affair then sell the story to the highest bidder. They go out to trap a footballer (who's brains move just a little higher than their feet after a few sniffs of the barmaids (sorry barperson) apron), then dash to the Red Tops to cash in, their sex lives seem to be an open book available to the highest bidder.

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Well the bloke has been found not guilty but what about the damage to his reputation? Out of order naming men until after the trial:mad:

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In her final comments prosecutor Kerry Malin claimed Mr Bacon "took advantage of a drunk woman in bed with her clothes on".

She said: "He turned up and could see a woman in drink and it was too good an opportunity to miss."

Judith Khan, defending, said that there was no evidence that the woman had or had not given consent and drunken consent was still consent.

She addressed the jury, saying: "How on earth can you be sure of guilt on the account of someone who cannot help one way or the other?"

Mr Bacon was cleared by the jury of four men and seven women after they deliberated for 45 minutes. "
So we've forked out tens of thousands of pounds to solicitors and barristers and we knew he would be found "Not Guilty" and it only took the jury a few minutes for them all to decide. How many more of these pointless cases are waiting? Why hasn't somebody at the CPS got the xxxxx to say "This isn't going anywhere"

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It only took 10 minutes really the other 35 they were having a brew to make it look better. I can't, for the life in me, understand why the CPS allowed this case anyway near a court room, how could there be even the smallest chance of a conviction when the accuser didn't know what date it was, never mind that she was forced to have sex. The fact that she woke up with this guy still in bed next to her spoke volumes, if he had raped her he'd have been away long before she came round from her drunken stupor. The only losers in all this is are the tax payer and the poor sod who's had is name dragged through the mud for no good reason, just to placate the conscience of some drunk woman who can't control her obviously out of control drinking problem. The sooner the law is change, to withhold the name of a suspect until he's found guilty, the better, after all its still the law of the land that your innocent until proved guilty, but not for men in rape cases, it stinks and does nothing to help genuine rape victims

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What should happen now is to have HER name and photo published.

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I have heard that the judge can direct this - but don't expect it in this case because she is a lawyer

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Here we go again and each of these cases make the rape statistics look even worse
"A businessman was cleared of raping a university student today after jurors were shown video footage of their sex session.

Gary Taylor, 41, was accused of attacking the 27-year-old woman after turning up at her flat with cocaine and a bottle of red wine.

The woman, who can't be identified for legal reasons, told jurors that Mr Taylor forced her to perform a sex act on him and then raped her in her living room.

But during cross-examination she was shown footage Mr Taylor had taken on his mobile phone during the encounter on September 26, 2008."
London Daily Mail

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i think i know the bloke, moved away afterwards if i remember rightly

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dont the name the bloke incase he has raped or tried to before and the woman has been too scared to come forward? but i do think they should withhold naming him till after he is found guilty and then if anyone comes forward they can try him then.

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In this country your innocent until proven guilty, unless your accused of rape, you must also remember that a persons past record is not allowed in evidence in any trial. I would have no problem the accused being named in a rape case, if, after he is found not guilty, his accusers name is published, but as the law stands neither should be name.

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it wont be long before even thinking of having sex a bloke will have to have a video camera on standby, 3 witneses and a contract drawn up declaring the womans consent:rolleyes:

im surprised he hasnt been done for filming her :rolleyes:

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a few years ago i was a witness for a man that was accused of rape, at the time he was supposed to have raped the woman (his married girlfriend) they were both kissing sat on the wall of my front garden, i knew the exact time because i was on the way to pick the child i minded up from school.... he got off

last week i was at my grandads and i was reading the nelson leader and the guy has just been sent down for rape, i wish i hadnt given evidence now :(

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no flip, its not the one you are thinking of

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it must be awfull been accused of a sex crime and been innocent

women who cry rape are just as bad as those women who claim their children have been interfered with just to gain attention

innocent people end up either getting assualted or badgered out of tehir homes just because one pathetic woman either wanted revenge, a reason for been unfaithfull or just to gain some attention by telling a lie so terrible that people dont question it at first

liek others have said a verdict of guilty shoud be given before any names are released

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bit of a wander , but it strikes me as odd that the woman who was raped by the chap who later won the lottery had her identity protected at the time , but now that there my be a few £s going around there is no problem with her name being in the media . :confused: :confused:

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I think its called waving their right to immunity for financial gain Eric