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planetsusie 30-03-2009 08:04

things that make me feel old
 
Them 'drop down' boxes you get on internet forms...and I just keep on scrolling now

Them age catagory things
18-25
25-32
32-42
42-50
50-65
65+
Hell Im only 2 off the death catagory!

and this
'All over-40s will be invited to go for a "health MoT" from this week'

emzy 30-03-2009 09:19

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I find that im feeling older when I have to scroll down further to find my year of birth lol

I dont think that an "over 40's MOT" is a bad thing really. Although I do not fall into that age group yet simple check ups like this can often pick up on issues that could be far worse if left any length of time. for example: If you had high cholesterol would you not want to know about it early on to reduce the risk of any major heart problems in a few years to come?

Its like they say, prevention is better than any cure

Articles | All over-40s to get health checks - ITV News

planetsusie 30-03-2009 09:20

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No I dont think its a 'bad thing'
Just made me realise I fall into a recall 'at risk' catagory

planetsusie 30-03-2009 09:21

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and thing is..
Ill be doing a lot of them too

emzy 30-03-2009 09:26

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Originally Posted by planetsusie (Post 698245)
and thing is..
Ill be doing a lot of them too

It'll keep you busy then :D I have regular blood pressure checks anyway (every 6 months) as I have had high blood pressure from time to time, and im only 27.

katex 30-03-2009 09:30

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I feel old when in the programme '10 Years Younger' (which I love), is when they show different outfits for varying decade age groups.

They do the 30's, 40's, 50's .. I await in anticipation of one for my age group ... humph ... nowt !! Off the scale then ... :(

planetsusie 30-03-2009 09:35

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and this is moved too?
Gosh

planetsusie 30-03-2009 09:36

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Originally Posted by emzy (Post 698249)
It'll keep you busy then :D I have regular blood pressure checks anyway (every 6 months) as I have had high blood pressure from time to time, and im only 27.

Oh I already understand busy

jaysay 30-03-2009 11:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by planetsusie (Post 698217)
Them 'drop down' boxes you get on internet forms...and I just keep on scrolling now

Them age catagory things
18-25
25-32
32-42
42-50
50-65
65+
Hell Im only 2 off the death catagory!

and this
'All over-40s will be invited to go for a "health MoT" from this week'

Its no use me going Susie, I'd be condemned to the knackers yard:D

emamum 30-03-2009 12:21

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being served alcohol by a lad that said "are you emma? you used to be my babysitter " :eek::eek:

going to my little brothers 18th birthday party last week made me feel old as well...

on the other hand tho, i was asked if Grace was my first child the other day and the woman seemed surprised when i told her i had a 7 year old as well :D

Margaret Pilkington 30-03-2009 13:13

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It makes me feel old to find that we have one shelf of a kitchen cupboard that is dedicated to medications...though I have to say that there isn't much on that shelf that belongs to me.

As for the MOT's for the over 40's.........it will be no surprise to you that I won't be attending for an MOT.........well, it isn't compulsory........and personally I feel that there is a move to medicalise ageing........and this can become a worry for some folk.

I will go to the quack when my leg is falling off...or when I feel really ill.
(those of you who have read my recent blogs know that this is a fiblet)

MargaretR 30-03-2009 13:26

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 698343)
It makes me feel old to find that we have one shelf of a kitchen cupboard that is dedicated to medications...though I have to say that there isn't much on that shelf that belongs to me.

As for the MOT's for the over 40's.........it will be no surprise to you that I won't be attending for an MOT.........well, it isn't compulsory........and personally I feel that there is a move to medicalise ageing........and this can become a worry for some folk.

I will go to the quack when my leg is falling off...or when I feel really ill.
(those of you who have read my recent blogs know that this is a fiblet)

:D ..shelf.. is that all?..I have bought 2 sets of storage boxes for mine because my lounge was beginning to look like Holland & Barretts stockroom. (time is running out - stockpile grows)
It is worth noting that you as a career nurse are reluctant to use conventional medicine. I use 'alternative medicine' because I had no alternative.

planetsusie 30-03-2009 13:46

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As for the MOT's for the over 40's.........it will be no surprise to you that I won't be attending for an MOT.........well, it isn't compulsory........and personally I feel that there is a move to medicalise ageing........and this can become a worry for some folk.


Thats a really interesting thought.
Like aging is an illness.
Im actually running through my head 'when was the last time a patient of mine died of old age?'
Brilliant. Thanks for that

churchman phil 30-03-2009 13:58

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I'm 40 this year and I have an annual MOT at the doc's every April. BP, Blood Test, etc.
I don't smoke at all or drink heavily (maybe 6 units a week, tops!!), eat good wholesome food and get regular exercise.
Can't see anything wrong in getting it done as when you get told you're fit as a fiddle when the results come through that more than makes up for it.
If anything is found to be wrong (touch wood it isn't) chances are it would be in the early stages and can be more readily treated.

MargaretR 30-03-2009 14:01

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I have heard of a plan to get all over 50s on statins:eek:
That will harm some people and line the coffers of the pharmacutical companies.
Cholesterol and Heart Disease--A Phony Issue, by Mary G. Enig, PhD
extract-
In his book The Cholesterol Myths, Dr. Uffe Ravnskov tells us what happens to an older woman who has normal high serum cholesterol levels. When her blood is tested in a forced cholesterol checkup, the cholesterol myth is used to justify treatment of her nonexistent disease state and she loses her vibrant state of good health.

The official advice to lower serum cholesterol levels has brought about numerous supplements with the attached claim that consuming them will lower cholesterol. This further supports the myth of cholesterol as an undesirable component of body and diet. In fact, the body uses cholesterol to repair and to protect. When improvement to the health of the body brought about by good changes in lifestyle or diet results in a lowering of serum cholesterol, it can be counted as an example of the body no longer needing the extra circulating cholesterol. The repair has been accomplished


I wont be volunteering to be poisoned, even though my cholesterol was recorded as 7 - so what:rolleyes:
I just avoid those artificial man made fats and the chemically engineered oils (trans fats) - those are what cause arterial damage.

planetsusie 30-03-2009 14:02

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Im wondering what expectations there are about MOT-ing, in so much as how much do people in general expect to find out?
Eeek

MargaretR 30-03-2009 14:09

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Originally Posted by planetsusie (Post 698354)
Im wondering what expectations there are about MOT-ing, in so much as how much do people in general expect to find out?
Eeek

It just convinces me that 'The New World Order' plan, to ensure that human lifespans are shortened in order to reduce world population, is TRUE

Margaret Pilkington 30-03-2009 17:42

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Originally Posted by churchman phil (Post 698352)
I'm 40 this year and I have an annual MOT at the doc's every April. BP, Blood Test, etc.
I don't smoke at all or drink heavily (maybe 6 units a week, tops!!), eat good wholesome food and get regular exercise.
Can't see anything wrong in getting it done as when you get told you're fit as a fiddle when the results come through that more than makes up for it.
If anything is found to be wrong (touch wood it isn't) chances are it would be in the early stages and can be more readily treated.

If you feel that the MOT's for the over 40's are a good thing then I am not about to change your mind.
Personally it isn't for me.
I have a healthy lifestyle too, I do not smoke and I never have done.
I drink so little alcohol that i could be considered teetotal........I take two half hour walks every weekday amounting to over 7500 paces......I eat healthily and in spite of this I have put on some weight since I have got that bit older.
When i have had the need to visit the GP and they have checked my BP, it
has been found to be raised( a common phenomenon known as 'white coat
syndrome') yet when I check my BP at home, it is always within acceptable levels.

I feel that it is going to be a worrying situation for some people......they will go into the appointment as a fit and healthy 40yr old and will come out with perhaps hypertension and high cholesterol.........making them a 'patient' for the rest of their lives........being given medications for the rest of their lives.......medications that are not without side effects.......medications that will cost them more than £7 per item........they will worry about their health from that day forward......worry makes you ill.(doesn't it?)

All this so that this government can be seen to be doing 'something'.......so that GP's can tick boxes and meet targets.

If the government really wanted to be doing something useful they could make sure that all patients diagnosed with early Alzheimers were given effective treatment.......they could make sure that all cancer sufferers were given the very best medications(not just the ones sanctioned by NICE)....they could make sure that ill people weren't penalised when going for treatment at hospital by having to pay parking charges(which incidentally are no longer levied in Wales and Scotland).
They could abolish prescription charges( again these are free in Scotland, I'm not sure about Wales.
They could make it so that you could see your OWN GP in a timely fashion, like when you are actually ill....rather than having to wait a week or 10 days(by which time you are better).

They could make sure that alternative therapies are freely available for all who would like a 'gentler' kind of treatment.(I know that these are available in some practices....but not all)



So until they become compulsory, I won't be attending.

Margaret Pilkington 30-03-2009 17:53

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Thats a really interesting thought.
Like aging is an illness.
Im actually running through my head 'when was the last time a patient of mine died of old age?'
Brilliant. Thanks for that[/quote]

You never had a patient die of 'old age'....because the health service made them into a 'patient'.

I am glad my post has provoked some thought about seeing ageing as an
illness.

I do not wish to be made into a 'patient' just because I am geeting older/elderly.

shillelagh 30-03-2009 17:54

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well im never out of the docs anyway .. so knowing me i'll get nabbed anyway .. at least i got my medical exemption card for the next 5 years anyway so dont need to pay prescriptions so thats ok.

What makes me feel old ..... well last night after spuggie left me i went on facebook and ended up on my old schools facebook page ....... and im telling you that made me feel old ... plus my nieces and nephews make me feel old ... but spug makes me feel young ...:D:D:D

katex 30-03-2009 18:01

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Understand where you are at Margaret, but they reckon they could save over 600 lives per year with these checks, so could be a worthwhile effort at the end of the day.

I tend to get 'white readings' on blood pressure too, and never go back again for a second reading, as know adrenalin will start to pump as soon as that band gets on my arm, so never really sure.

Aren't they going to cancel prescription charges ? Sorry, to be vague, but think is being considered. What surprised me, during the discussion I heard, was that a very low percentage of the population pay ... so not going to make a lot of difference really. Think was about 7% ... took me back a bit when I heard it. Maybe it's because us pensioners get it free and living longer, overtaking the younger and healthier.

cashman 30-03-2009 19:15

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live life by my laws, when yer 50 yer n official old fart, i though am now a coffin dodger, but have 9 yrs to think what the next category is.:D

planetsusie 30-03-2009 19:23

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A miracle? hahaha

West Ender 30-03-2009 19:54

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One thing that made me feel old when I was in hospital, at New Year 2008, was when a young doctor came to see me. He was obviously quite new to the wards but, far worse, he was obviously no more than a year older than my grandson. :eek: I don't want little lads explaining my Xrays to me, I want dapper docs in grey suits and bow ties (yes, I know they're not allowed ties any more) with warm hands and impeccable manners and who call me Mrs C..... and not Cath. Oh hell, that's showing my age. :D

Margaret Pilkington 30-03-2009 20:09

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Well, Mrs C.......if you tell them that is how you wish to be addressed then that is what they will call you.
I know that when I was admitting patients I asked them how they would like to be addressed....some wanted formality, others didn't.
When the new Junior Doctors started on the wards each February and August, we(the nurses) used to joke that some of them were still wiping breast milk from the corners of their mouths......not PC I know.....but that was how young they seemed.

I am not sure about the statistics of the population who pay for scripts....but I always paid for mine, and I knew many others who also paid.

It is interesting to note that prescription charges went up again recently, so I would be surprised if they are going to be abolished.

600 lives may be saved by this intervention, but it is going to cost a lot of money to do this and in the course of this action, this group of the population are going to be medicalised.......I was going to say the older end of the population, but 40 is quite young.
It strikes me as being a ploy to get everyone on a database(or am i being paranoid here), or at best a political gimmick........and an expensive one at that.

Maybe the drug companies who will make money, are going to bung the government some dough eh! (oops..... my paranoia is showing again)

accyman 30-03-2009 21:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 698252)
I feel old when in the programme '10 Years Younger' (which I love), is when they show different outfits for varying decade age groups.

They do the 30's, 40's, 50's .. I await in anticipation of one for my age group ... humph ... nowt !! Off the scale then ... :(

they did do an 80's special but the outfits they were picking left a lot to be desired :D

http://www.pushindaisies.com/candypr...fin_box_lg.jpg


just in case that reads bad im not saying your 80 :D

katex 30-03-2009 21:52

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 698532)
they did do an 80's special but the outfits they were picking left a lot to be desired :D

http://www.pushindaisies.com/candypr...fin_box_lg.jpg


just in case that reads bad im not saying your 80 :D

:whip::whack::hitting8: Bet ya' enjoyed that ... :rolleyes::D

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 698508)

I am not sure about the statistics of the population who pay for scripts....but I always paid for mine, and I knew many others who also paid.

This must have been the article that the discussion sprang from Margaret .. sorry 11%.

Department of Health Review - Prescription charges for those with long term conditions - British Medical Association Response

It is interesting to note that prescription charges went up again recently, so I would be surprised if they are going to be abolished.

600 lives may be saved by this intervention, but it is going to cost a lot of money to do this and in the course of this action, this group of the population are going to be medicalised.......I was going to say the older end of the population, but 40 is quite young.
It strikes me as being a ploy to get everyone on a database(or am i being paranoid here), or at best a political gimmick........and an expensive one at that.

You have the choice to respond or not.

Maybe the drug companies who will make money, are going to bung the government some dough eh! (oops..... my paranoia is showing again)

The drug companies have to make money Margaret for future research. Don't find this comment very fair to be honest. Know you are well at the moment, but lots of people, like Jaysay for instance, who rely on drugs, etc., to maintain their life will not agree with you.

accyman 30-03-2009 22:08

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 698553)
:whip::whack::hitting8: Bet ya' enjoyed that ... :rolleyes::D


.

i did put a disclaimer at the bottom of my reply excluding you from the 80's club :D

Margaret Pilkington 31-03-2009 06:33

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Kate, the drug companies make billion and billions of pounds(more than enough to continue with research.....lots of the money that drug companies spend is spent on frivolities, like sending GP's, consultants and the like on junkets that are supposed to be 'seminars') from people who are taking medications every day....the type of drugs that the government want to put all of the over 55's on.......things like aspirin, and statins.
These drugs are not without side effects and they may actually only be of benefit to something like 2% of the population.....but of course the drug companies will not mind if all of the over 55's go on their products as it is cash in their coffers.......and sponsored by the government.

Yes Kate, I made the point that we have a choice as to whether to attend(and I won't be doing), but how long will it be before some GP practices will say you can't be on their list of patients if you do not attend for pro-active screening?

lettie 31-03-2009 08:25

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I feel old when I see someone whose baby I've delivered and they tell me that "she's 16 now, you know"........

Even worse is looking after someone in labour who I delivered and is now having her own baby :eek:

I am inclined to agree with Margaret about the health checks. I don't know if it's a health professional attitude, but I don't want to know if my Cholesterol is high. My BP has always been fine (when I have allowed someone to take it). I have never been hospitalised with a serious illness and have never taken regular medications. I have no intention of taking Statins or anything else for that matter. The side effects of some of these drugs can ruin your life.

I have also not known anyone die of old age for years. Everybody has to be classified into some sort of disease these days and getting old seems to be treated as an illness in itself rather than a natural progression of the body's state.

I would like to grow older with a modicum of dignity and not be poked around by some 12 year old Doctor or Nurse when I have forgotten more about nursing than they will ever know.

So yes, some things about my job can make me feel old but....... I am definitely going to be growing old disgracefully....:D

pipinfort 31-03-2009 09:05

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Originally Posted by lettie (Post 698616)
I have also not known anyone die of old age for years. Everybody has to be classified into some sort of disease these days


Now you come to mention it , that is true, my parents have known a lot of people who have died recently, some of them were 80+ but not one of them died of `old age` every one of them had this, that or the other........:confused:

jaysay 31-03-2009 09:06

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 698553)
:whip::whack::hitting8: Bet ya' enjoyed that ... :rolleyes::D



The drug companies have to make money Margaret for future research. Don't find this comment very fair to be honest. Know you are well at the moment, but lots of people, like Jaysay for instance, who rely on drugs, etc., to maintain their life will not agree with you.

Your so right kate, I only wish I could do without medication but I can't, I have always looked into the drugs I'm prescribed, I read up about them and look at the side effects or the interaction with other drugs, some drugs boost the effect of other drugs and some reduce the effectiveness. Thanks to mike I now have a copy of Mims, which also tells you the cost of drugs too, which is very interesting to say the least. Only this morning of Breakfast TV they were describing a new drug which has five preventative effects, but the only trouble with it is actually getting a drugs company to manufacture it, because its so cheap to produce and no profit in it:rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington 31-03-2009 09:28

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They say that this polypill has no side effects, but then they would say that wouldn't they?
Lots of drugs have been marketed with a loud trumpeting of the phrase'no side effects'.....but then who have they tested it on? What research criteria did they use?

Many of todays drugs are given to women when they were only tested on men.....scientists now know that this was wrong and that women react very differently than men to drugs.

The Doctor prescribes a pill, which needs another pill to control the side effects of the first pill(even if the side effect is something fairly innocuous...like, say constipation...it will still affect the quality of your life) and before you know where you are you are queueing up for your carrier bag of medicines that you never thought you needed...because you were a healthy 42 year old.

Thank you, but no thank you!

MargaretR 31-03-2009 09:37

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Mass medication of the over 50s :eek:
Am I the only one who doubts this is well intended?
Our health service masks symptoms with drugs that cause more symptoms which need more drugs - a downward spiral to an early death.
I have recently read a book 'Never Be Sick Again' by Raymond Francis
He talks sense
YouTube - Preview of interview with Raymond Francis

emamum 31-03-2009 09:40

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my aunty becoming a grandma since she is only 3 years older than me !! :eek::eek::eek:

planetsusie 31-03-2009 09:41

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In all fairness every drug you take has a side effect
Its about risk assesment
The drug companies do finance that research and assesment too
If this wasn't done there wouldnt be medication available to us
Its hugely important for quality and maintainance of life
The studies taken seriously are double blind and ongoing for many years so they 'hold water'
They employ medical practitioners for balanced input and feedback
Drug companies really cannot afford a 'disaster' They are a business, Yes, a commercial company, Yes.
They fill a Need

planetsusie 31-03-2009 09:44

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Oh and I spend hours researching preventative medicine, implimenting health promotion and battering Health organisations with letters, attending meeting to push a proposal forward just to get funding to impliment care and prevent illness
people then find something to complain about and it holds back progress. We are so very privileged here and we forget to be Grateful!
I Know for a fact! Most of you wouldnt be here now if it werent just for ie. penicillin! and the drug companies research and improve that into variable formats for us all...then profit, create jobs, and spend...

jaysay 31-03-2009 10:13

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Originally Posted by planetsusie (Post 698663)
Oh and I spend hours researching preventative medicine, implimenting health promotion and battering Health organisations with letters, attending meeting to push a proposal forward just to get funding to impliment care and prevent illness
people then find something to complain about and it holds back progress. We are so very privileged here and we forget to be Grateful!
I Know for a fact! Most of you wouldnt be here now if it werent just for ie. penicillin! and the drug companies research and improve that into variable formats for us all...then profit, create jobs, and spend...

I for one am thankful for penicillin Susie, well I was that is. I found out in January that I am now resistant to it, which was a bit of a knockback, especially when I was told I had a Staff infection which was treatable with Erythromycin, wonderful I though, you see I'm allergic to it, so they had to come up with an alternative

MargaretR 31-03-2009 10:22

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Originally Posted by planetsusie (Post 698663)
....
people then find something to complain about and it holds back progress. We are so very privileged here and we forget to be Grateful!
I Know for a fact! Most of you wouldnt be here now if it werent just for ie. penicillin! and the drug companies research and improve that into variable formats for us all...then profit, create jobs, and spend...

My gut was damaged by antibiotics (caused e-coli/pseudomembranous colitis).- My ability to absorb nutrients is impaired.
This problem was further exaggerated by prescription antacid meds.

The health problems I now have are a direct result of prescription drugs.

I have no faith whatsoever in our health service's ability to 'cure' me or to 'protect' me from further health problems.

PS http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3856289.stm

cashman 31-03-2009 10:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by planetsusie (Post 698661)
In all fairness every drug you take has a side effect
Its about risk assesment
The drug companies do finance that research and assesment too
If this wasn't done there wouldnt be medication available to us
Its hugely important for quality and maintainance of life
The studies taken seriously are double blind and ongoing for many years so they 'hold water'
They employ medical practitioners for balanced input and feedback
Drug companies really cannot afford a 'disaster' They are a business, Yes, a commercial company, Yes.
They fill a Need

they had a major disaster susie- "Thalidomide"

Margaret Pilkington 31-03-2009 10:24

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I cannot take penicillin, and the allergy to it could have cost me my life.
Susie, I do take on board what you are saying.......but there are many people within government who influence the decisions about our healthcare without true regard for the needs of individuals.

And the drug companies do make vast amounts of money regardless of the fact that there have been numerous disastrous marketings of what were thought to be 'safe' medicines(think thalidomide, think the hormones that were originally given in pregnancy to prevent miscarriage......and the subsequent vaginal cancers in those young women)......and while I accept that they are in business to make money.....I don't think that the way forward is to bamboozle the ageing population into thinking that life cannot be acceptable without the intervention of the medical profession and the introduction of mass medication.

Another thought occured to me. If you do take the polypill(which won't be marketed for maybe another 5 or10 years....they are still doing tests on it.....on the Indian population apparently) and you have a reaction/side effect.......how will you know which component of this 'magic pill' is responsible for it?

We could be doing so much more to make the lives of the older/elderly population more comfortable/more pleasant, and perhaps even more productive by other means that just making sure they live longer.......you should add life to years, not years to life.(The Oxford Handbook of Clinical Medicine)

MargaretR 31-03-2009 10:35

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I agree with all you have said Margaret P- but wish to add-
I am becoming convinced that we are seeing the beginning of a deliberate policy to mass medicate the population to suit their ends, not ours.
It is time that people realise that doctors are the puppets of the pharmacutical companies.

Margaret Pilkington 31-03-2009 10:56

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Margaret, that is what I was alluding to without actually saying it.

Margaret Pilkington 31-03-2009 11:01

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Susie, I want to be responsible for my own health status.......by doing the things that I feel are right for me.....not smoking, living a moderate life, staying active......not taking drugs recreational or prescribed.
I don't want to take a 'one size fits all potion'....or to have medical personnel advising me how to live my life.

I do not wish to stop true progress in medicine.......but I don't want to be used by the pharmaceutical industry to boost their already healthy profits.

MargaretR 31-03-2009 11:20

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I wish to amend my post#39
I had C-diff, not e-coli - both have similar effects - severe diarrheoa and vomiting, dehydration, and sometimes death.
Pseudomembranous colitis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The use of broad-spectrum antibiotics such as clindamycin and cephalosporins causes the normal bacterial flora of the bowel to be altered. In particular, when the antibiotic kills off other, competing bacteria in the intestine, any bacteria remaining will have less competition for space and nutrients there. The net effect is to permit much more extensive growth than normal of certain bacteria. Clostridium difficile is one such type of bacterium. In addition to proliferating in the bowel, the C. diff also elaborates a toxin. It is this toxin that is responsible for the diarrhea which characterizes pseudomembranous colitis.In most cases a patient presenting with pseudomembranous colitis has recently been on antibiotics. Antibiotics disturb the normal bowel bacterial flora. Clindamycin is the antibiotic classically associated with this disorder, but any antibiotic can cause the condition

planetsusie 31-03-2009 11:38

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Thing is what has started to be discussed now is 'personal' problems with pills etc..
That isn't the masses, its a tiny sub-portion
And Yes, Thalidamide! I immediately thought about that EXACTLY why the drug companies cant afford a disaster!
Allergy to penicillin? (as I said it was just one example..not intended as a benchmark) there wouldnt have been scope for an alternative to be created but for testing.
Research IS ongoing, of course it is! Half of the population would be dead now if it werent for drugs created, they would have died at 50
Quality of life would be crap.
Oh and I really know my stuff about this because its exactly where Im at...DOING.
Weighing up the research, chasing up funding, measuring care I give and gathering statistics.
Then...battering the DOH and trying to get the treatment thats available! Oh yes its there in place and accessible for us, you, yours
Be grateful for what we have here

planetsusie 31-03-2009 11:45

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and as for the side effects of statins
Pah!
Most of the people taking them would be dead of IHD/CVA etc before they ever got any significant signs of CKD; which they would naturally get anyways in old age...
And that's manageable
But...you have the right to CHOOSE, choose whether to take medication or not.
Its Not compulsary and we are All so lucky to be offered that
We should Be grateful for the offer rather than look for problems, loopholes and a knee jerk response of slagging off and complaining...blah blah.
Just say No...its ok! No one will force you to have a good quality long life...and we will be there to make you feel good and hold onto you when you die withiout pain relief

Margaret Pilkington 31-03-2009 11:50

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That is how threads go...they do become 'personal' because we all have had personal experiences...and it is as a result of this that we can contribute to the thread.

I am grateful......I'm grateful to the people at the Christie for saving my mothers life.
I recognise that without the many improvements in cancer care, she wouldn't be here.......but I also know that she is made miserable by the fact that she has to take medications which make her quality of life poorer.
Is it preferable to have a longer life, but one of poorer quality?
I think we all have to make our choices on this one....my answer would be No.

Your efforts to get funding and to evaluate care and correlate research material are to be applauded......I would never try to make light of those efforts......but I am careful where I place my gratitude

MargaretR 31-03-2009 11:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by planetsusie (Post 698733)
Be grateful for what we have here

Oh yes - be grateful that death in UK is free
In the USA they charge for it :rolleyes:
Medical system is leading cause of death and injury in US - Health Supreme

planetsusie 31-03-2009 12:30

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Im really sorry that yor Mother is suffering Margaret and relieved she is still with you Margaret
Yes, I understand the personal influencing opinion, I have to step out of my own 'box' on many occasions to get a rounder view.
You were actually a fragment of my history that influenced what and how I do it today Margaret (Pilkington). And thank you.

Talking preventative medicine, the immunisation programme we have in place now is the biggest success and forward movement we have, and that's been proven.
I support and am a part of its' delivery process and the benefits are glaringly obvious, no one needs me to outline the evidence there.

Margaret Pilkington 31-03-2009 12:40

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I am pleased to have been and influence in your life.......and as for the Thanks,(not really necessary) you are very welcome.
Continue doing the work you are doing. I am sure there are folk out there who do appreciate your efforts.
Knowing me, as you do...you will know that I weigh things carefully and make decisions regarding what is right for me.......I will continue in that way because I know what works for me

MargaretR 31-03-2009 13:00

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New research reveals that the mechanisms by which vaccines work is based on an incorrect understanding of the functioning of the immune system.
In the thread 'Flu Jab', I said this
"Re: Flu Jab
Research into Gulf War syndrome has revealed a better insight into how vaccines work
How Vaccinations Work - Th1/Th2 Immune Response

What raised my eyebrow, and doubts, was this-
"In individuals in whom the Th1 function predominates, causing many acute inflammations because the cellular immune system is overreactive, a vaccination could have a balancing effect on the immune system and be helpful for that individual.
In individuals in whom the Th2 function predominates, causing few acute inflammations but rather the tendency to chronic allergic or autoimmune inflammations, a vaccination would cause the Th2 function to predominate even more, aggravating the imbalance of the immune system and harming the health of that individual. This is what happened in Gulf War Illness.
The current use of vaccinations in medicine today is essentially a "shotgun" approach which ignores differences among individuals. In such an approach some individuals may be helped and others may be harmed."


We are being increasingly subjected to mass medication
Fluoride, food additives, trans fats, aspartamine, prescription drugs, vaccines.
Has anyone else other than me here, wondered - why?
"It is all done because 'it is good for you' "
Who says? - there is plenty of evidence about now to show you that it isn't 'good for you'
I suspect there is a hidden agenda.
The medical profession do as they are trained
We are conditioned to accept that 'they know best' and have 'our interests at heart'
They are trained to believe that too
Who decides what that training is?

planetsusie 31-03-2009 13:09

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 698765)
New research reveals that the mechanisms by which vaccines work is based on an incorrect understanding of the functioning of the immune system.
In the thread 'Flu Jab', I said this
"Re: Flu Jab
Research into Gulf War syndrome has revealed a better insight into how vaccines work
How Vaccinations Work - Th1/Th2 Immune Response

What raised my eyebrow, and doubts, was this-
"In individuals in whom the Th1 function predominates, causing many acute inflammations because the cellular immune system is overreactive, a vaccination could have a balancing effect on the immune system and be helpful for that individual.
In individuals in whom the Th2 function predominates, causing few acute inflammations but rather the tendency to chronic allergic or autoimmune inflammations, a vaccination would cause the Th2 function to predominate even more, aggravating the imbalance of the immune system and harming the health of that individual. This is what happened in Gulf War Illness.
The current use of vaccinations in medicine today is essentially a "shotgun" approach which ignores differences among individuals. In such an approach some individuals may be helped and others may be harmed."

We are being increasingly subjected to mass medication
Fluoride, food additives, trans fats, aspartamine, prescription drugs, vaccines.
Has anyone else other than me here, wondered - why?
"It is all done because 'it is good for you' "
Who says? - there is plenty of evidence about now to show you that it isn't 'good for you'
I suspect there is a hidden agenda.
The medical profession do as they are trained
We are conditioned to accept that 'they know best' and have 'our interests at heart'
They are trained to believe that too
Who decides what that training is?


The copy/paste response you prosituted from someone else I havent bothered to read
That may sound rude and disregarding
Its not the intention.
I can google anything to back up any arguement
What I have said, researched and worked for is evidence based and Im absolutely certain you have no fundamental medical training.

planetsusie 31-03-2009 13:09

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in other words I wouldn't rely on you to treat me...but know people would rely on me.

planetsusie 31-03-2009 13:12

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Anyways
'Things that make me feel old'

When I go the make up counter n they immediately offer me the anti-aging, wrinkle removing cream filled with quasi-scientific guff

MargaretR 31-03-2009 13:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by planetsusie (Post 698769)
The copy/paste response you prosituted from someone else I havent bothered to read
That may sound rude and disregarding
Its not the intention.
I can google anything to back up any arguement
What I have said, researched and worked for is evidence based and Im absolutely certain you have no fundamental medical training.

I quoted my own posting there.
Another problem is revealed by your response -
the closed mind attitude of current medical practice who dismiss research findings when it doesn't suit their 'trained' way of thinking.

planetsusie 31-03-2009 13:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 698772)
I quoted my own posting there.
Another problem is revealed by your response -
the closed mind attitude of current medical practice who dismiss research findings when it doesn't suit their 'trained' way of thinking.

'problem'?
What strange way to describe the way i do research and HAVE ACTUALLY implemented care standards

hmmmm...not a quick google...
Thats the 'problem' with untrained novices who haven't done targeted reasearch and training...That actually makes me feel young
Thank you

cashman 31-03-2009 13:19

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can i ask how long research is carried out on new drugs? n also is it always carried out on humans?

MargaretR 31-03-2009 13:25

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Dear Susie, I have no doubt that you chose nursing as a profession because you care about the people you treat.
I only ask you to not blindly accept current medical practice as being correct and always having a good outcome.
I have no doubt that you have, quite unintentionally, made some people sicker than before, please be realistic and accept that.

planetsusie 31-03-2009 13:34

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I dont Maraget
Im taught to question and thank you very much for your thoughts and ideas
I also believe many 'natural remedies' work and wholly support meditation techniques etc..
It balancing and responding appropriately to everyone as an individual and Im really impressed by the fact that you are just that and prepared to forward what you believe because...that will also be right for someone else and I may be able to grab a bit of that and pass it on

planetsusie 31-03-2009 13:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 698776)
can i ask how long research is carried out on new drugs? n also is it always carried out on humans?

I already stated its ongoing. 10 years is accepted to hold validity unless iyts without doubt in double blind testing
Humans? Yes, thats how its tested by people volunteering to be tested upon.

planetsusie 31-03-2009 13:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 698778)
Dear Susie, I have no doubt that you chose nursing as a profession because you care about the people you treat.
I only ask you to not blindly accept current medical practice as being correct and always having a good outcome.
I have no doubt that you have, quite unintentionally, made some people sicker than before, please be realistic and accept that.

What an awful and terrible accusation/assumption
How dare you question how I impliment best practice, and no, I havent Ever had feeback that tells me I helped make someone ill
and I do measure what I do

And..I havent actually tried to one-up or insult you on here like that. You are insulting me by theat last condescending remark
I do have scruples and respect your position on medication because I think what you say IS right and Valid for some people and would always support that too

churchman phil 31-03-2009 14:03

Re: things that make me feel old
 
WE'RE DOOMED!!!!!!! (said in a scottish accent)

Now that makes me feel old - Dad's Army :D

flashy 31-03-2009 14:08

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what things make me feel old....hmmmm

having to wear make-up to cover up the 'laughter lines' on mi face

thats only cos i laugh a lot :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

cashman 31-03-2009 14:35

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getting junk mail telling me i should plan fer me funeral, like i give a stuff about such things.:rolleyes: when i croak couldn't care less if they let me rot, all about pay so much a month so you will have a few grand to pay fer it.:D they can get knotted.

planetsusie 31-03-2009 14:39

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haha flashy...I sooo know how that feels!

and Cashy! hahaha love it... love you haha

flashy 31-03-2009 14:41

Re: things that make me feel old
 
gonna bury you in a compost bin when ya die cashy,so you can at least come in handy rotting away :D ;)

BERNADETTE 31-03-2009 14:58

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 698790)
what things make me feel old....hmmmm

having to wear make-up to cover up the 'laughter lines' on mi face

thats only cos i laugh a lot :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Think yourself lucky you can still see to put make-up on, I'm as blind as a bat without my glasses so can't cover my laughter lines up:eek:

flashy 31-03-2009 15:03

Re: things that make me feel old
 
lol ya daft get

lettie 31-03-2009 15:07

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the good thing about ageing is that your eye sight deteriorates so you can't see your laughter lines...:D

Just stay away from magnifying mirrors

Margaret Pilkington 31-03-2009 15:19

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Yes, Mother Nature is very kind, she gives you wrinkles but compensates for that by taking your fine vision so that you can't see them anymore.

jaysay 31-03-2009 16:19

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 698803)
Yes, Mother Nature is very kind, she gives you wrinkles but compensates for that by taking your fine vision so that you can't see them anymore.

Well I don't have that many wrinkles Margaret, being on steroids my faces is a bit fat and thy iron the little lines away very nicely:D

Eric 31-03-2009 18:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 698492)
live life by my laws, when yer 50 yer n official old fart, i though am now a coffin dodger, but have 9 yrs to think what the next category is.:D

Daisy pusher, maybe:confused:;)

Eric 31-03-2009 19:34

Re: things that make me feel old
 
You know you are getting old when the hair on your head migrates to your ass.:eek:

Margaret Pilkington 31-03-2009 19:44

Re: things that make me feel old
 
And on its migratory track comes out of your ears and nose.....and is GREY!

Though I have to say that I am only speaking from observationary experience:D

accyman 31-03-2009 19:55

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 698790)
what things make me feel old....hmmmm

having to phone castle cement up to cover up the 'laughter lines' on mi face

thats only cos i laugh a lot :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

ok i reakon i got a good 10 min start before she sees this :D

West Ender 31-03-2009 20:20

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 698878)
And on its migratory track comes out of your ears and nose.....and is GREY!

Though I have to say that I am only speaking from observationary experience:D

This has set me wondering. Now, this is a bit of a "delicate" question but, none the less, one I must ask.

I have said before, in this forum, that I went grey-haired very early. I was grey by the age of 30, though I dyed my hair until I was 60, and it's an hereditary thing; my dad was grey by the age of 25. The question is, when does the rest of your hair go grey? I mean, to be on the safe side of indelicate, my eyebrows are still very dark brown (my hair wasn't that dark, more of a chestnut brown) and, well you know, other hair is sort of light brown. Of course I shave it so you wouldn't know but it's true. Yes, I shave my legs OK? :mad8:

My late husband had very dark hair all his life but his beard went grey in his late 40s. He was quite a hairy bloke but all the body hair was dark brown, it was just the beard.

So, when does it happen - anybody know? Will my eyebrows eventually go as grey as my head hair and will my leg hairs match? Will I be too old to give a damn? :blink8:

cashman 31-03-2009 20:31

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 698863)
Daisy pusher, maybe:confused:;)

Nah mate,reckon thats too final.:D:D;)

Benipete 31-03-2009 20:41

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 698878)
And on its migratory track comes out of your ears and nose.....and is GREY!

Though I have to say that I am only speaking from observationary experience:D

I tried to keep out of this thread,Thanks for dragging me in,but as you have did one of us escape from a big house in Whalley.:hehetable

Margaret Pilkington 31-03-2009 21:16

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 698892)
This has set me wondering. Now, this is a bit of a "delicate" question but, none the less, one I must ask.

I have said before, in this forum, that I went grey-haired very early. I was grey by the age of 30, though I dyed my hair until I was 60, and it's an hereditary thing; my dad was grey by the age of 25. The question is, when does the rest of your hair go grey? I mean, to be on the safe side of indelicate, my eyebrows are still very dark brown (my hair wasn't that dark, more of a chestnut brown) and, well you know, other hair is sort of light brown. Of course I shave it so you wouldn't know but it's true. Yes, I shave my legs OK? :mad8:

My late husband had very dark hair all his life but his beard went grey in his late 40s. He was quite a hairy bloke but all the body hair was dark brown, it was just the beard.

So, when does it happen - anybody know? Will my eyebrows eventually go as grey as my head hair and will my leg hairs match? Will I be too old to give a damn? :blink8:


Well, I can't answer for you, but I have a grey streak at either side of my head.......and my eyebrowns have gone grey in patches.......which is odd as it makes them look badly plucked.
Leg hairs still have their full colour...how unfair is that:(

Royboy39 31-03-2009 21:21

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 698914)
Well, I can't answer for you, but I have a grey streak at either side of my head.......and my eyebrowns have gone grey in patches.......which is odd as it makes them look badly plucked.
Leg hairs still have their full colour...how unfair is that:(

I must confess.....I am grey top to bottom including toenails. :)

Margaret Pilkington 31-03-2009 21:25

Re: things that make me feel old
 
I don't think the 'Grey for Men' is effective on toenails :D

MargaretR 31-03-2009 21:27

Re: things that make me feel old
 
My body hair has vanished. Being fair/ginger I never had much to begin with.
A few sparse, well spaced ones on my lower legs is all I have left.
My head hair is still thick and is turning to 'salt and pepper', with silver bits near my ears.

Royboy39 31-03-2009 21:30

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 698919)
I don't think the 'Grey for Men' is effective on toenails :D

Try Ginsing..........works a treat. :)

katex 31-03-2009 23:22

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 698883)
ok i reakon i got a good 10 min start before she sees this :D

I reckon Flashy has ordered this to mould into cement blocks for your size 10's ... :thumbsup:

jaysay 01-04-2009 09:21

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 698914)
Well, I can't answer for you, but I have a grey streak at either side of my head.......and my eyebrowns have gone grey in patches.......which is odd as it makes them look badly plucked.
Leg hairs still have their full colour...how unfair is that:(

Mallen streaks Margaret:D like I've said earlier I've just started going grey, but back in the late 70s I grew a beard and that was full of grey streaks, that was in my mid 30s

flashy 01-04-2009 10:37

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 698883)
ok i reakon i got a good 10 min start before she sees this :D


good job i love you to bits aint it :rolleyes:

katex 08-05-2009 20:06

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Vacuum cleaner collapsed on me t'other day, and despite advice from my bank statement, have been forced to go out and buy a new one.

Didn't go expensive and seems quite cute. It is still on my kitchen floor in its box ... normally I would be quite excited by new household products and would rip its covering off like ???? (interprete the way you wish) ... but can't be arsed yet to even open the box ... have I been there, done that and a sign of old age ? :(

Gayle 08-05-2009 20:38

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Being told by someone who went to the same school as me that she's attending the 25 yr anniversary of leaving school. Then have her point out that I was in the year above her!!!!!

Margaret Pilkington 08-05-2009 20:43

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Gayle it won't be long before I will be celebrating 50 years since leaving school....now that is what makes you feel old!

West Ender 08-05-2009 20:56

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Oh heck, it's 50 years this month since I started my O Levels and 50 years in July since I left school. :eek: I have a daughter aged 45 who has a son aged 23 and my big brother is nearly 76. Yep, I feel pretty old. :(

Margaret Pilkington 08-05-2009 21:01

Re: things that make me feel old
 
When you are young you live in the future......you always have plans...things you are going to achieve and do......you can tell when you are old because you spend a lot of time reliving your past......but at least we have a past to relive:)

jaysay 09-05-2009 09:12

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 712084)
Gayle it won't be long before I will be celebrating 50 years since leaving school....now that is what makes you feel old!

Yes I know Margaret:s_cry::s_cry::s_cry::s_cry: :D

cashman 09-05-2009 11:13

Re: things that make me feel old
 
well last night Paris n i went to a concert at "Burnley Mechanics" had a ball great night, but down at the front of the stage was approx 100 people who danced all bloody night, funny thing was most were too young to have ever seen the group, we loved it, but were sat about half way up in centre, muttering to each other, were the hell do they get the energy to do that, we couldn't manage it without collapsing in a snotty heap,:D NOW THAT sight made us feel old.:) also envious.:D

planetsusie 09-05-2009 11:19

Re: things that make me feel old
 
When the stuff you used to throw away becomes collectible.

cashman 09-05-2009 11:21

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by planetsusie (Post 712228)
When the stuff you used to throw away becomes collectible.

don't go there please susie:eek: very sore point wi me.:D;)

Bagpuss 09-05-2009 11:23

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 712083)
Being told by someone who went to the same school as me that she's attending the 25 yr anniversary of leaving school. Then have her point out that I was in the year above her!!!!!

Gayle I've just been looking at some pictures of a reunion they had last year, I didn't go. When I was going through them I kept thinking who's that old git, then realising it was someone I used to sit next to and wondering do I look like that?:(

Gayle 09-05-2009 11:46

Re: things that make me feel old
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 712231)
Gayle I've just been looking at some pictures of a reunion they had last year, I didn't go. When I was going through them I kept thinking who's that old git, then realising it was someone I used to sit next to and wondering do I look like that?:(

That's why I never go to reunions.


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