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looks like it's a line up from our Tory freinds in Europe against the economic policies of the UK and the USA.. the far right Tories from France and Germany are ganged up to oppose any sensible economic policies from the USA and the UK that could get out of this mess... now the Tory oppostion has been silent..why?.. i'd say because they have slagged off the European Union for so long that they have no say on the matter... and will have no say if they ever get in power.. they are the lepers of Europe and will drag this county into the abyss of renegade economic destruction.

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its G20 not E20

but...


UK and USA getting us out this mess? are you having a giraffe? Capability Brown couldn't pull us out a duck pond never mind this mess. The sooner teh current Goverment( I won't say Labour as non of this lot are anything like a Labour party) are out teh better.

I do have concerns that we don't have a suitable replacement though( see I'm not some dye'd in teh wool Tory that you seem to think I am).

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And what is your alternative then Entwisi?

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So Sarkozy and Merkel are "far right Tories", are they? I'm sure they'd be quite surprised to be described thus! And the line they're pushing is stricter regulation for banks, which I thought you'd approve of. As for "slagging off" the EU, yes, there's quite a few Tories who do that...Tony Benn and Arthur Scargill are two who instantly spring to mind.

Still, anything rather than criticise a "Labour" politician (and I use the word very loosely in Brown's case), eh, Mancie?

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The Germans and French are after regulation of the financial markets, something Gordon 'save the world' Brown has failed to do. Brown famously destroyed the Bank of Englands ability to regulate in 1997, which the Conservatives voted against. Look where that got us.

I know which side of the fence I'm on and its got Germany and France on it, with you nowhere to be seen.

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Currently?

IMHO there isn't one, its choosing the best of a bad lot.

Will the Tories make it any better, Unfortunately this is genuinely one of those times where you can't tell. Its only by doing that you get a position to comment on and even then it may be external forces that control. which way it goes.

Should we give the Tories a go? What about Lib dems? It does appear that this goverment seem to be echo'ing teh final thrashing throws of the last Tory Gov with Sleeze, financial misdealings and general incomptance the order of the day.

I doubt teh Libs have a hop anyway so we are a two horse race, the rubish we have or a change. The old saying goes "a Change is as good as a rest" so maybe we should.

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The old saying goes "a Change is as good as a rest" .... I doubt it would be a rest.. the present mob my have lost the plot in some ways.. but to have a bunch of inept Eton boys running the show is not my idea of progress.

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so you agree that this lot have "lost teh plot", so whats your solution then? Doesn't that put us in an even worse scenario than we could possibly hope for, one their own died in teh blood, evangelical supporters admitting they are rubbish?

That in itself worries me a great deal..........

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It worries me... but I know the alternative is worse..the only alternative is a Tory Goverment... Tory Governments have caused far worse economic chaos than we have now...in recent history and as far back as anyone cares to go they have been a blight on this nation... they have oppsosed any real improvements such as the NHS state pensions, sickness benifits, education for all..on and on.. they are a virus that preys on peolpe at times of weakness...always there and ready to feed.

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never thought i would say this,as i can't stand em, but as far as financial regulation, i'm wi the frogs n krauts.

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well that's just about it!...even Cashman has turned blue...the last remnants of any sort of opposition against the Tory fold has all but gone...I give up! :eek:

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No Mancie I think cashy looks at the world in more colours thn Blue and Red:rolleyes:

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Just like to put you straight on one point entwisi, its Incapability Brown:rolleyes:

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Oh no, now you've done it, Mancie...calling Cashy a Tory...that's tantamount to calling him a dingle!

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Excuse me, even us dingles have some morals :eek:

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I myself have had to endure being called a Tory on this very Forum..I tell you I fell into the deepest of depression ... no words of comfort could help me.. but with help from my doctor and family I gained a recovery..but I don't like to talk about it.

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I suppose when you come to realise it you just have to accept it and get on with your life....... :D


So how is your mate David then? :D

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You mean Call Me Dave, entwisi :D

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So, Mancie, you're against the snail eaters' and the Huns' move to curb the excesses of rampant capitalism by greater regulation of the financial markets, including the naming and shaming of offshore tax havens?

I, therefore, name and shame you as an out-and-out Tory! :p

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well you could put it that way :confused:..but the French and Germans are Tories.. therefore anything they even think of doing is off my agenda... any rampant capitalism is a true and tested addiction that lasts a few years then collapses... it is a enconomic policy that is the foundation of Torys.. the "Holy Grail" ...survival of the fittest.. but they are not the fittest ... with the power of the democracy and people who stand against them they can be overcome.

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So, the French and Germans are Tories for wanting tighter regulation of financial markets? But the British and Yanks who want less regulation are somehow more left wing?

Sometimes, Mancie, I worry about you...I really do.

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no need to worry..I've made my outlook pretty clear on here many times.. anything that involves a tory agenda is a ball to bat... whack it over the line.. no worries from me.. simple and plain.

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The usual gobbledegook. So, in other words, you've no argument because you're talking absolute rubbish!

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Ok.. just for you Wynonie...I don't care what any Tory party do or are about to do..here, or anywhere else on this planet I oppose it... I am anti Tory.. end of.. now that should be plain enough even for an Accy Stan supporter!

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You started this thread, Mancie, and the premise you put forward was that the split at G20 had been caused by our continental "friends" pursuing some sort of extreme Tory line, while we were going for a more "sensible economic policy" (which, I assume, in your eyes means a more left wing approach).

In fact, the opposite is true. France and Germany want tighter regulation of financial markets to curb the worst excesses of capitalism, whereas we want less regulation. In other words, Mancie, you've been proved completely and utterly wrong.

Now is that clear enough, even for a Blackburn-born, London-dwelling plastic Manc? :D

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I am not sure that the colour of your rosette makes any difference in this caes. The leading politicians of the world have got together in order to sort out the whole mess but instead of getting round the table and finding a solution they do what politicians do best, fall out amongst themselves.

They are all from the same mould and our only hope is that Barack Obama can unite them long enough for them to thrash out a compromise. I am with the French and Germans on this as the whole mess appears to have been caused by the greedy financial sectors of the USA and the UK.

I am not too hopeful that this bunch can sort anything out, take their organisation of the meetings. Do they hold them in a fortified castle, of which we have many, where security would be very easy to control and demonstrators could easily be kept away? No, they hold the meetings in the middle of a busy city and disrupt the lives of many thousands of people.

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I saw the cavalcades going past this morning about seven-ish, as I was walking down a road in Wapping called the Highway, which runs between the City and 'Docklands'. Cops were everywhere, blocking off side street entrances and exits, many with guns. They were coming through every 2 minutes - armoured Limo's, 4 X 4's full of close protection, people carriers for the plebs, and in some cases an ambulance following up behind. The organisation was supurb...something the Met, under the command of ex-Accy cop Sir Paul, can well be well proud of.

Until, that is, I came to the Texaco Garage, just opposite the Times Editorial offices and by a slight bend on the road. A perfect ambush position ( for those who know about these things). There sat on the wall, was a very swarthy looking indivdidual with a large canvas bag at his feet. Sticking out of this bag was about 2ft of pipe, 4" diameter. The nearest cop was some distance away.

"Bloody Hell", I thought, "It's the back end of an RPG!".......and the cops didn't appear to have spotted it! Just as I was working out what to do, the guy bent down to open the bag...this was getting hot, very hot.

I looked up, and lo and behold, there coming up the road was the French President and his entourage.

"Good Luck, mate", I whispered, and walked on.

This is a true story. Well, almost.

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I agree ... living as I do in a country that was smart enough to regulate its banks, and one, that as a result, has the strongest banking system in the world.

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well the torys are in favour of the G20 deal, whats the betting they would NOT have if it hadn't been unanimous? cameron will not make the torys look pricks in front of all the world i say.:rolleyes:

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I don't think that regulating the banks is particularly smart, just basic common sense and the city investors who took risky gambles with volatile prices were bound to go the way of most gamblers, down.

The boys in suits have got all the money but where is it? :dummy:

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Good news about the IMF being topped up, though. At least there'll be something there, when we go cap in hand to them!

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Again:rolleyes:

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very true.. the Tory party has been slagging off anything from the EU.. and yet they bow down and beg the Germans and French to come up with anything that could be an advantage to their policy of slashing spending on infrastucture and rebuilding.. they have nothing to offer this economy let alone the world.. the same old cut slash burn polocies they have again adopted is a road to more misery..history has shown the Tories would sell your ass and than their own to anyone if they could gain power.

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Nothing is preventing people from agreeing with European countries. What I have issue with is being governed by Europe on issues we don't agree with.

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They don't have to sell anything they're being given it on a plate by Incabability Brown and his little Darling:D

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Don't know if you've noticed, Mancie, but the majority of ordinary people in this country are "slagging off" a lot of things that emanate from the EU. However, they are denied the opportunity to make their feelings known because your precious government have broken their promise to give us a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty/European Constitution (call it what you will...it amounts to the same). Call, that democracy, Mancie? :rolleyes:

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Take no notice of Mancie, Wynonie, he's a nice bloke really, in fact even though I'm a Torie, I kind of like the guy, its just that when he's had a lot of that falling down water, he goes off on one, think we'll have to have a breathalyzer installed on Accy Web, any chance mick:rolleyes::D