Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 703597)

Well I thought this was an important news story as it's been unfolding, but it seems to have got much bigger than I thought. My blog posts on it are getting hammered from Google searches, far, far more than at any previous time

Damian McBride is Gordon Browns special adviser, he's been with him since he started at the treasury and is still with him now as PM. He's the head of strategy in Downing Street. He's been caught collaborating in false smear campaigns against the Conservatives. He sent e-mails to a Labour blogger named Derek Draper, who runs LabourList.org. They even discuss that they will put the smears on a new anonymous website, named Red Rag. They claim it was banter between friends and was never intended to be published, however other ministers were copied into the e-mails, and the Red Rag website was purchased, so it was ready to go live.

Yesterday Damian McBride resigned. I expect Derek Draper will go soon too.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 703652)

That's because there's no proof that his e-mail was hacked. It was most likely a concerned civil servant. The labour blogger Derek Draper says it was hacked, but he's a proved liar. He'll spin anything.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 703653)

and you dont?:rofl38::rofl38: i'll stick wi "Pathetic.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 703655)

i am not calling ya pathetic fer posting it, if ya could read without bias ya would easily see that, so i shall add "Incapable" to my list.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 703659)

You've incorrectly assumed that I only think it's important because it's opposition? You're basing calling me pathetic on an incorrect assumption.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 703663)

no i am saying cos ya did not put the full story, you deliberately omitted to say that there was also a doubt as to how the info was obtained, i.e. allegation of "Hacking" you did this fer yer own political ends, n accused the guy of being a liar, which i do not know fer sure,one way or the other, how would you like it if i said your "incorrectly assumed" was a lie?

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 703682)

I think the thing is if this story had been the other way round, this thread would have already been a 100 posts long:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 703686)

thats possible,but more probable is it wouldn't even have been started at this point.:)

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 703684)

i think the difference between us andrew is i was educated to never take owt at face value, no matter who was saying it, if i was interested in summat then to dig, dig, look at all opinions, then make me own mind up, you seem to me,to jump on yer party bandwagon immediately n accept whatever they say, that i find pathetic.:rolleyes: its called reserving judgement.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 703693)

If that's how you do it, then there's no difference between us here. Only need to look into some of my Accringtonweb posts to know I don't just take things at face value. :)

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 703698)

what i find very sad/disturbing is i am sure many people receive E-Mails they would never dream of publishing in the public forum. i know i do, i happen to think that the hacking of anyones is a very serious thing n can cause untold damage. that you omitted to mention, so therefore i came to my conclusion.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 703703)

Let's not beat around the bush, in this case Derek Draper and Damian McBride had every intention of setting up a blog to publish these smears. The only person suggesting it was attained by hacking was Derek Draper, proven to lie as long as it saves his own skin. Even if it was, it's out there now in context of smears rather than the vicious rumours they were going to spread. Refusing to comment on the content, makes me wonder if you would react the same if the story was about the Conservatives. :rolleyes:

Fair enough if you believe it was hacked, but why are you not commenting on the rest?

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 703705)

Because you chose to leave out what i feel is important. everyone can play those games, not just you.:)

Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 703706)

Its like a game of chess, just what has been left out Andrew that is important:) Interesting waitting in anticipation.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 703705)

Because you chose to leave out what i feel is important. everyone can play those games, not just you.:)

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 703719)

You think its 'pathetic', and yet you do the same. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 703742)

Sleaziod politicians complaing about morality and good taste :rofl38: :rofl38: pots and kettles :D :D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 703689)

Why has Rindi not been on line today:D

Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 703769)

What has that got to do with anything?
He maybe busy, I know he has a social life (unlike some on here!)
Why are you so pathetically bothered about what he is doing and where he is?
Makes you look a little bit like a stalker......:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 703777)

I know Accyweb awards are upon us but I dont think you will win the best 'Put down' with a pathetic response like that.....:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 703769)

What has that got to do with anything?
He maybe busy, I know he has a social life (unlike some on here!)
Why are you so pathetically bothered about what he is doing and where he is?
Makes you look a little bit like a stalker......:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by onlyme (Post 703849)

I'm wondering what sort of responses the thread would have had if I, or a member other than Andrewb had started it.

Much as I admire the blinkered loyalty of some members on here (both labour and conservative), I think to justify actions such as the smear campaign is dangerous, whether they are made public or kept within the party.

If political parties could put as much effort into running the country rather than the playground behaviour they seem to love, maybe we'd have a country to be fully proud of

Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 703912)

I think that is the point onlyme, and a good one to raise, if someone else had started the thread, then maybe it would not have been seen as Andrews blinkered attack on Labour again, people are so used to seeing it, that the actual point is lost in the fact that it is Andrew, making another political thread, against another Labour party member, it is a bit like religion isnt it? We all know that Andrew is a tory supporter, but dont need it rammed down our throats on a daily basis, for my part, I think the tory and labour parties are well endowed with liars, cheats, and are a waste of public money!

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 703988)

was on the news tonight that in 1992, the disgusted "Cameron" was part of a tory plot to stop Kinnock from being elected, using similar methods, seems it was ok then.:rolleyes: my point being they are all the same, but some numptys cannot see it.

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 704001)

Did you a good turn then? :)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 703855)

Stalker Linds, wouldn't know Rindi if he walked past me in the street,

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 704101)

Smeargate?..some people really do push the limits..considering the undercover information gathering tactics some people on here have been involved with.. yep a petty dirt shovelling post.. but then I don't think it will be the last from the likes of Andrew and his crew!

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 704225)

why should brown apologise? its the guys involved that apologies fall on, thatcher never apologised fer cameron n the tory boys.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 704230)

It was his hand picked special advisor and attack dog. He was hired to do this sort of thing. When it's somebody in his own office on the desk next to him, he should apologise. What goes out of that office, from offical downing street e-mail addresses, does so in the name of Gordon Brown. When you have a team you have to take responsibility for it. The story would have lost its legs yesterday if he'd have just said sorry. It's the hardest word for him though.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 704248)

seems the cavalrys arrived.:D

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 704262)

I don't see the fuss with this story. There are hundreds of little maggots working for all parties cultivating defamatory stories. To think there's just this one person working for one party would be idiotic.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 704263)

i'm thinking of taking bets, that the next time the chimney at the "Vatican" smokes Andrew has been elected "Pope":D

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 704263)

i know it shaker,you know it, even andrew knows it, but he just can't resist.:rolleyes: I'm thinking of taking bets, that the next time the chimney at the "Vatican" smokes Andrew has been elected "Pope":D

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 704283)

£5 accumulator, anyone? ;)

Originally Posted by onlyme (Post 704564)

To me, the power of political debate has to be arguing the point raised without personally attacking the person raising them.

Cashy, out of all your posts on this, you have double the amount attacking andrew, rather than sticking to topic.

From a man who usually can give valid arguments without resorting to this kind of thing, I've got to admit to being pretty disappointed

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 704287)

Na cashy he must be at the back of the queue or at least behind a bloke called Greg:D

Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 704617)

He wont be in this queue:)
Wrong party:)

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 704183)

He just can't find it in him to say sorry can he. He knew exactly what sort of person he hand picked to be a special adviser, whom worked in the same office as him. McBride worked as Brown's media advisor last year, he was found out to be briefing against one of the governments own ministers, lots of pressure was placed on Brown to ditch him, instead he put him in charge of strategy.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 704283)

£5 accumulator, anyone? ;)

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 705140)

Well he's finally said sorry, something "Thatcher" never managed.:D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 705203)

I'm just wondering how stupid Brown really is, If he'd have opened his gob right away, a line would have been drawn under the matter, the only thing its done has to make him look a bigger clown that he already is and about as sincere as Blair's weapons of mass destruction fiasco :(

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 705278)

in your eyes maybe so.:rolleyes: but thats part of the reason many hate the tories - Thatcher Didn't.:D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 705300)

Neither did Scargill:D

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 705301)

Who in fact was right,used wrong tactics but even more pit closures happened than he predicted.:rolleyes::D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 705318)

I remember what, I think it was the leader of he TUC said, about Aurthur "he went into the strike with a big union and a little house and came out of it with a big house and a little union":D