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There is a regular shoplifter at the shop where i work, he has over 80previous convictions for shoplifting and other crimes.

Couple of week ago he got sent down for a fortnight for shoplifting whilst i was working, 3 days ago guess whos back.......and shoplifting again.

Why dont we have a 3 strikes and your out system, where if you get sent to prison for a third time thats it.....no chance of release (or ideally execution:D that way tax-payers money isnt paying for scum like him to be inside).

This really bugs me, i have seen the guy a few times round ossy when i havent been working and everytime i do my blood boils. But im unable to do anything because of the "human rights" brigade. What i wouldnt do for 5mins alone with him:mad:.

Just thought id get this off my chest and see what all you lot think? should repeat offenders have a cut off point where we basically say you have had enough chances now your going to the chair:D. (i know it wont happen but it would be nice:cool:).

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no i'm too P.C. fer that speedy, should be like Saudi Arabia= Chop his bloody hands off.

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Of corse it doent work, its not a justice system anymore, its a revenue making business.

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Speedy , welcome to the world of grown ups :D :D

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C'mon guys, we are talking shopliffting here ... this is not a capital offence ... it's not even something that a lot of us havn't done in our lives ... I remember snagging the odd candy bar when no one was watching ... maybe it pees you off, but it aint major crime.

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So what's the difference between shoplifting and burglary and bank robbery Eric?? Theft is theft no matter what guise it goes under. You remember snagging an odd candy bar but you were probably young and wouldn't do anything of the sort now you're an adult. I think speedy is talking about an adult who persistently commits the crime - 80+ times in fact. That is wrong and should be more severely dealt with.

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I think the problem here is that there aren't enough prison place to keep these public nuisances behind bars, even if they fine them heavily they either won't pay or commit more offences to pay. This kind of crime is just seen as a nuisance by a lot of people, but not those who are continually targeted by these people, but when some one has committed 80 offences its time to take them off the streets, the bottom line is we need more jails :(

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Looks like he got you a new Keyboard.Well done,dare I ask - How much?:D:D

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Build more prisons?
The chances of that happening are nil.
Instead of doing that, they are at the moment reviewing the entire prison system, looking for ways to cut costs. Most of the cuts are being achieved by introducing redundancies.

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[quote=Benipete;708983]Don't give out that kind of info on the open web beni:D

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They have just scraped a proposed prison near Warrington (I think) because of public outcry, they are going to build 5 smaller ones soon, whatever that means

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What about fitting them with a tag then installing some sort of machine in shop doorways so that every time the tag wearer tried to get through a shop door it gave them an electric shock.

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I can't make up my mind about The Howard League of Penal Reform.
Are they making valid points and arguments or are they a bunch of il-informed do-gooders?

They say that community sentences are more effective than a penal sentences but if an individual chooses to keep breaking the law, what action would change their attitude. The shop lifter mentioned above is not deterred by the present legal system.
Chopping bits off them is not an answer as they would then need looking after. (the people, not the bits)

There seems to be a attitude in today's society that everyone is entitled to a decent living, even if that means taking it off someone else.

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Good idea Gayle, 50,000 volts would be just about right to stop them re-offending! :D :D :D :D :D

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I think there's plenty of room in todays prisons. You could easily get 4 in a cell if you take out all the fancy goods. Costs could be cut by feeding them stale bread and water instead of the three squares a day they currently enjoy and further cuts in staffing would also be possible if you kept the blighters locked up 24/7 instead of having people wait on them hand and foot.

Why don't we try it and see how many re-offend or even commit a crime in the first place.

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well if you want to eat well , get a good education and have all the latest mod cons like plasma tv , ps3 and xbox 360 prison is the best place to be as long as your not a keen traveler lol

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youve obviously never been inside a cell phil,3 is too crowded.:eek: i know cos have worked in the owd "Victorian" prisons. i'm all fer building more,but not the former.

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Nah....I was being kind. I'd have six in there!! All chained to the bleedin' walls....

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About 35000 volts should do the trick:rolleyes:

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Your cruel churchman I only said 35000:D:D:D

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and send in Phil the lash once a day to dish out their justs:D

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At least I'd be in full time employment for a while Jaysay!!

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could stick lightbulbs in their gobs and hang them from the ceiling istead of wasting space on luxury items like light fixtures as well :D

you can guess where the wire goes into and out of if you like :D

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Lights?? There wouldn't be lights....

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For a while churchman, forever more like it:D

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Well hopefully it would become a deterrent to some degree!! But hey, as long as there's a pension at the end....

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Darwen dad's anger as death driver freed (From Lancashire Telegraph) as if more proof was needed our judiciary are total muppets.:mad:

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Think we should start a thread in anything goes just to list cases of judicial incompetence, shouldn't be long before we reached a 1000 post mark:(

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Makes me wonder what qualifications you need to be a judge, obviously common sense is purely optional.

In regards to the prison thing, i think all young offenders institutes should be converted to prisons, if young people where locked up with the "big boys" it might scare the hell out of them and stop them offending again.

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That's a bit harsh on judges Speedy, common sense being optional, every body knows that judges have a frontal lobotomy on taking the silks, and are not allowed to think for themselves its all written down for them in books, books that should have been rewritten years ago:rolleyes: We are still using laws designed for the 18th century not the 21st:(

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Had it in mind to mention this tonight, read it in the paper this morning, which just reminded me why I dont read the papers, if they had done the right thing with this piece of scum first time round, it would be one less draining the system, and this poor fellow would still have his daughter. I am going to stop now before I am accused of racism or being cruel, or both.

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I can't see why there was any hold-up in kicking him out of the country. If he was illegal then there must be no contest!! Wonder what story his free lawyer cooked up to get him out of the centre so he could disappear?

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one of the reasons why i no longer give a rats, no matter whom is in power,things like this disgrace will continue.:mad:

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I have considered that too cashy, I am not about to do this, but the bnp gets more appealing every election, and if one of the lead players doesnt do something, there is going to be a shock in the not too distant future imho.

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Anyone who finds the BNP's policy of rounding up and deporting people born here (to god knows where), on the basis of the colour of their skin is appealing...then they are the real enemy!

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i would however like to see ANY british citizen born here black or white who conspires against our country or our citizens to be deported though which seems fair enough to me

1st one to bring that law in gets my vote

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to be honest the BNP do have their uses , if it wasnt for tehir gain in popularity a few years ago teh govenment wouldnt have crapped their pants and brought in new tougher imigration rules to keep voters happy and win back votes lost to the BNP

they didnt do enough but they did change the rules a bit

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here here...no problem... now how has this thread about a shoplifter ended up with posts about voting for the BNP?

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ya aint likely to be voting in my lifetime then.:rolleyes:

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Any story will do churchman, for these people, after all its a multi-million business for these civil rites lawyers at Nonce's are Us

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This asylum seeker system makes my blood boil too!
Here is someone who may be facing discrimination in his own country who travels to another country to seek a better life.
No problem with that so far.

In his new chosen country he repeatedly breaks the law of the land and still expects his asylum application to be given a fair hearing.
He is now being unreasonable.

The laws in his chosen country are heavily stacked in his favour and no amount of law breaking or civil disobedience will get him an automatic rejection from the country.
That is simply unacceptable but the people in power are too wrapped up in the belief that everyone has unlimited human rights, to deal with the problem in a sensible manner.

Anyone who breaks the law whilst seeking asylum should forfeit all rights to asylum and should be deported with immediate effect. No wonder there are hundreds of people queued up in France waiting to sneak across to the 'Promised Land'.


In my opinion, BNP are far too radical to be of interest to the majority of voters but any party which speaks common sense and honestly reflects the opinions of the common people would do well in an election. Instead we have a bunch of selfish numptys, who are too busy deciding how much to give themselves as a bonus, to worry about trivial matters like voter's opinions.

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what a great post Morecambe Ex Pat, stand fer office i WILL vote fer you.:)

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Is it not the Shop owners responsibility to protect his stock by employing enough assistants at a reasonable rate of pay to keep thier eyes open? Years ago you went into a shop, up to the counter and asked for what you wanted! No temptation or opportunity to lift.

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So which sheltered world were you brought up in, you mean to say that no kids at all never went into a shop and try to nick a few penny treats when the shopkeepers back was turned

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There aren't enough prisons:eek: I think someone has been reading his Dickens:rolleyes::D

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I think that the problem is with the mainstream parties ... when the BNP, starts to seem appealing to voters, it isn't so much that the BNP is getting things right (oops, accidental pun); but that the mainstream political parties are getting and doing things wrong. I can sense the frustration over there; it comes thru in a lot of posts ... a tenseness that could be pushed to extremism, and extremist solutions. There seems to be a sense that traditional values (I know that's vague, but there are fish waiting for me in the lake) are being eroded, and that the country is being sold out to people who are going to gut those values and replace them with ones that are, for wan't of a better term, un-English. I wouldn't put the big bucks on it, but I would have a little wager that the BNP, like the NSDAP a few decades ago, will start attracting support .... particularly in tough economic times.

If things get real bad, there's lots of room over here;)

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What the dickens are you talking about Eric:D