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This will be popping along in a few years time, I can see its compulsory to be completed, can anyone explain to me as to why this would be compulsory.

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Its the law of the land:rolleyes:

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http://www.nisranew.nisra.gov.uk/census/pdf/FACT7.PDF
The Census is compulsory
Every household must return a form by law. This is because it is
important for people not to be missed out – the Census is designed to be
a complete count of the population. Failure to make a completed return,
or giving false information, is an offence which may attract a fine of up
to £1,000:eek:

I have never objected to supplying info in the past - now I have serious doubts about how it will be used.

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Census in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


the table at the bottom says what was included for the first time ... and in 1871 it was

1871 2 April Whether an imbecile, idiot or lunatic.[2]

so how many accywebbers would that include ...:D:D:D

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Well there are over 15,000 Members Jen:rolleyes:

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At a rough estimate I would say the 2011 Census will be 'popping' along in about 2 years, costs nowt but a bit of biro ink, OR HAVE YOU SOMETHING TO HIDE?

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Thats what Im thinking, I would like to see a sample of the form.

So how will they know who is where? I mean I know a few people who are No Fixed Abode, do not vote Ect. How will they fit into the equasion.

IIRC they are not still sure who will be incharge of keeping all this data secure, from what I have looked at one inpreticulare are in the running who look a bit dodgy.

Lockheed Martin (who just so happen to be - The largest provider of IT services, systems integration, and training to the US Government).

So Our info could be stored by them, would that mean it would then come under the patriot act?:confused:

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A few in my book meaning two (I think 2011 give that away a bit).

and YES I do have something to hide.

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A Couple = 2

A few = 3 or more.

Perhaps if you have something to hide, = EMIGRATE lose yourself in a land that doesn't give a damn.

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Fair play, but a few rimes with two.:D

Why EMIGRATE? Im already in a land that doesn't give a damn.

Only thing Im hiding is my Privacy. Do/should I not have a right to that.

Hence why I ask the questions.

I have not seen a Census form to see what questions are being asked, can you/anyone give me a example of some questions? afer all its every ten years, and I cant remember filling one in in 2001.

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all it took was a quick google .. and you will find the questionnaire....

2011 Census questionnaire content: Office for National Statistics

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Do you pay tax and NIC? Do you hold a driving licence? Do you have, or had, a mortgage, bank loan, item of furniture etc. on credit? Do you own or rent a house? Do you have children? If so, your details are already held on file by one department or another.

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Not to forget have you been detained at Her Majesty's pleasure :D

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Thanks for the link, However I dont think anywhere on there is shows the actual questions, just what may be in it.

Yes, Yes, No, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes. Exactly, So why should I HAVE TO fill a form in should I not have a option?

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The idea is Mr D. they want to know just how many people are living in this country, but even so they may just have a slight problem with that because there are quite a few people here who no one actually knows who or where they are:rolleyes:

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This is my point, If they only want to know how many people live in this country then why ask some of the questions they will ask, Income for exapmle.

So I dont fill the form in I get fined £1.000, Mr Poland down the street, doesnt even get a form and doesnt matter a dam to him but no fine coming his way.

What gets me is WHY IS IT COMPULSORY.

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I understand that the Income question will not be asked in the 2011 Census, they would get too many pork pie answers if any and that would slow the process down.
Mr Poland down the street will have his collar felt if he does not comply with the law.
The Census in the UK has been on the Statute Book for a very long time and is here to stay.
The TV licensing authority has a record of every house in the UK and so has the UK Stats office which hopefully will be used to good effect at Census time.
You ask why is it compulsory........Jaysay answered you first time round...It is the Law of the land.

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I do understand that its been around for a very long time, and Im still wondering as to its uses.

Mr Poland getting his collar felt, that would be a first, Mr Poland doesnt exist, or if he does the other 7 occupants dont.

As for Its the Law of the land, I feel this is why it can be challanged, questionned.

Upon reading the 2009 Rehearsal Questionair.

A Question I saw was usual address and SECOND ADDRESS where you might stay more than 30 days a year, I mean why do they need to know this? So If I babysit and my sisters ever friday (52 days a year) I have to tell them

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If you look on that link i gave you before you will see that the rehearsal questionnaire for 2009 is there which will give you some idea of what the questions will be. Also if you read a couple of pages about the census you will see this:

Parliament will make the final decisions on the content and questions to be asked in the 2011 Census. The Census Order which includes details about the topics and questions to be asked will be laid before Parliament in October, debated and approved towards the end of 2009 and then made by the Privy Council in January 2010 The Census questionnaires form part of the Census Regulations which will be approved by Parliament in Spring 2010.

Anyway why are you so bothered about it now .. its 2 years off not 2 weeks or 2 months off.

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So as this is done every 10 years I take it Mr D you ain't filled one out before?? If you have then why whinge about it now??
There are no names on these things, just the address of the household. You fill in the names of those who live there at that time from 1 day old to 121 years old - everybody. You lie you're in trouble.
As has already been said above it is the law and you HAVE to fill it in. Like you said, your details are held by various organisations already so what is the problem??
I would also have presumed the second home question would be for 30 consecutive days??

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So they can change it to ask any questions they like, so this rehearsal questionnair is just a this is what it might be.

Why not ask the questions way in advance, why wait till its weeks / Months away, I am also concerend who will be storing this data.

I have not filled one in before that I can remember (maybe I was added on one by my parents, maybe I slipped the net?).

There are No names - There are names??? it wants everybodys name and details who live at the address.

As defended before just because its LAW doesnt mean you cannot challange it.

My problem is Its my choice to give other organisations my details, and not as in this much detail, the problem is I DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE with this census.

The second home question asks, "Do you stay at another address for more than 30 days a year". (not consecutive by the look of it).

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In 04/05 there were over 2m students in the UK. That number has risen since then - the majority of those students will live at university for most of the year but go home for xmas/summer. That is a large group of people with two addresses - enough to warrant it being recorded.

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If 8 years ago you were living with your parents then whoever filled it in then will have added you to that. That would probably be why you didnt see it then.

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We also have to remember we have quite a few MPs with two homes too:rolleyes:

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A Possability, but why should they care where you are? what difference does it make?

What if I moved 2 days after completing the census.

Possible.

What I cant understand is why it compulsory. what benefits will we see from completing the census?

What benefit could other companies make from holding all the data from ALL UK citizens (According to "its the law" so everyone has to complete it)

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Right, Mr D, you don't want to do it (though you must). Never mind the rights and wrongs of it, you're not happy. The only way for you to look at it, then, is one of pure altruism. Think of your descendants, your great grandchildren perhaps, doing their ancestor research. Your entry will make it so much easier for them. :D

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Your right Im not happy about completing it I dont see why I should if I dont want to.

Surely I should have a choice? (even though I know I dont)

I like the word altruism (I had to google it):D

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I don't like paying tax but I have to....

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Its not a matter of where you are but who you are Mr D, they only want to now where you are on one particular day, not over period of time, this gives the government an idea how many people are legally living in this country

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Wouldn't be much point if you had a choice Mr D would there ? :D

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If only I believed that, Whats with the questions, re Property Type, how many rooms, how many cars, why do they need my DOB, my qualifications & employment details (Inc Address).

Gives the goverment a idea how many people are legal living in the country, do they not already have this informtion?

True, but I bet 50%+ of sheeple would still complete it if they had a choice.

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Think you meant 'would not' complete Mr D ... I think you are incorrect with your 50% here though. Suspect most people will have no objection to doing the Census form.

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You have got to remember Mr D that census forms are not intended to catch out illegal immigrants or your deep dark secrets.

Gives planners, education, housing, transport, elderly care authorities, etc., a picture of where facilities may be required in the future. All done for the good of your community.

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I cant see how completing a form will do anything apart from waste goverment money (especially at this difficult time).

Things change every day.

But catching Illegal immigrants seems a better way to waste money than compiling information about the genuine public.

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I think it is the best way of getting a full picture of population movement, density, would be far more expensive to cross reference tax, registration offices, car users, employment, housing,education records and so on, to see where facilities are needed in the future. In the end, will save money.

Things don't change that quickly either ... 10 years is a fair enough period in my opinion.

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I think really you need to look at this with an open mind without cynicism My D, after all this head count has been going on for rather a long time and as kate said it does help the government of the day, look to forward planning in all aspects of life.

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It will help in the planning of a population reduction :rolleyes::D

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I feel a As and when aproach would be a better solution. give facilities as and when needed not a guess from a form.

If I look back 10 years, things have change for me a lot.

I am looking at it with a open mind.

Im looking at it saying, do we not have a choice, I may answer freely the questions, but there may be some I feel is none of there business.

The thing is we do not know EXACTLY what questions will be asked, as it states it can change at any time.

Also Why do they need a DOB, would age not be enough?

Help the government with forward planning, They already have a plan.:rolleyes:

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DoB is for all in the house. It could identify trends in when babies are being born, which sections of society, whether it ties in with boom or bust in the economy, average family size, etc etc etc....
This in turn leads to other things like location of schools (how many future pupils?), housing (how many beds?), benefits (how much more can the country borrow?) and lots more.

It isn't just about you now Mr D it's about your childrens future too....

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Of course you mean where Family Planning clinics are needed more Margaret .... ;):D

It is good that you question Mr D .. nowt wrong with that. At least we still have the freedom to do this, just not the freedom to ignore this form.

DOB ? ... well, amongst these stastics will give a view of what time of year most babies are born in order to alert the Health Authority (or when they are conceived and having the most fun ... :D )

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I do appreciate the alleged reasons, but I cant see how asking the questions it does will allow for future planning, who knows in 2012 lets say we could be hitting WW3. Lets plan and act in the NOW not in the future, If we screw up now the future's not going to be any better.

Your right it is about my childrens future and I dont like the way this country/world is going, someone has to raise the debate, ask the questions ect.:)

Thankyou, I do like to question most things and yes we do still have the freedom to question, but for how long.

Would they not have all this information already though (Birth & Deaths)? and to leave a gap of 10 years? doesnt give a true statistic IMO.

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:rolleyes:That's being very pessimistic Margaret:D two-shay:D

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Well Mr D you have the option, fill in the form and carry on with life, or don't fill it in an get plenty of grief and a whopping big fine, simples as the Meerkats say :D

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Your right I do have the option, fine up to £1.000 not that big really.:D

How would they know If I filled it in correctly or not.;):D

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Quite right, so get everyone together and we can sort this mess out instead of just asking the questions.

Or is that easier said that done??

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Defenatly easier said than done.

Where would you start?

A idea would be us as the people the soverigns of this country reallise that we ellect the goverment so really they work for us. We should have a greater imput on the law/leglislations that apply are made. (but this is a topic for another debate sometime).:D

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Not enough information here ... only registring the child's birth for example (and in the main, who the fathers is :rolleyes:), but not saying whether they will be living together and how many siblings, relations will be living in a specific household at a given time, which is the whole point of the census. Can link up a step father to a child in the same household, and not presume that the biological father will be there, he will probably be living with another family ... as is happening more and more these days.

Planning to build new facilities cannot be done overnight. How will your local council decide how many refuse bins will be needed within the next 10 years and to allocate their funds accordingly LOL.... would have to do their own census ... so back to square one .... :)

Again, as you stated, we elect our Government to make the majority of decisions for us. What is the alternative if we, the people, were to decide on all laws/legislation ? ... more form filling in I'm afraid, and never any agreements.

I, myself, would not have the legal and economic knowledge to decide on certain issues, and sure plenty like me. (Just know what the next post is gonna' say .. :D )

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Here you go, the law that says you must do it if you want to look for exemptions :D

Now just remember all, put "Jedi" down as your religion :D

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All the census will show is that there are just too many people on that little island of yours;)

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Not compulsory Mattylad.

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And the country of your birth Eric .. .sure you will show up on a Census at sometime when released ... :eek:

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What isn't:confused: ... being a Jedi:eek:

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Seem to recall that a census was the reason that Jesus ended up being born in the stable, and the info in the Domesday Book came from a similar exercise. I think it's a valuable tool if used correctly, and I can't really understand the paranoia being exhibited in the replies here.:confused:

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Daft sod ... :D

Think they were originally done, even in our Middle Ages to know who to collect taxes from or where the young men were to serve in the military. Not now of course.

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kinda reminds me of the asimov novel pebble in the sky :D

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It's the way UK Ltd does an inventory of resources - a cattle round-up of sorts.

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Might not be compulsory but it got it made a religion, I wonder if it will be included on the next one as an option? :D

Perhaps we can start spreading the idea to put another new religion down, perhaps the "church of the web addict" :D

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Ve hav vays of making you conform:D and if you think that a grand ain't much, any chance of a rough sub till better days:rolleyes::D

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What you talking about Margaret,;) Head um up move um out

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The broad church of Accy Web sonds just right mattylad:D

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I read it as can fine up to a £1.000, Im sure speeding fines ect fines also state up to and usually on cost us about £60.00.

I wish I could lend you that, but would you be willing to pay the current rate of interest of 55% APR.

I like UK ltd, and this is the best explanation so far.:D

Looking at this 95% would fill it in without question, so why cant the few who do not wish to partisipate be allowed that choice/freedom? after all it cant make that much of a difference.

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One thing is Mr D, I've enjoyed this thread :D

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'Cause 5% of approx 70 million is 3.5 million ... quite a large portion of people. Besides, if were given a choice ... lots of people would just 'not be arsed' to fill it in.

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I think your at the end of a wind up Kate? :)

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Don't think Mr D was winding us up Roy, looking at his questions so far.
He didn't put a wink in anyway after his sentence ... :D

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Snap............... thats why ive left it alone.:D

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Glad to hear it.

but its only stats, that can change especially within a 10 year period.

I mean all the dodgy people in this country wont even think twice about filling this form in, what will happen to them, probably nothing.

No wind up my opening question was genuine, as to Why is it compulsary.:)

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Pleased to hear that .. otherwise, would never have trusted any imput/ideas you have on here again as being up for genuine debate.

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We know the stats can change in a ten-year period hence there will be another census in 2021. It is a snapshot of life in the UK at a certain point in time.
I for one have different circumstances since the last one. I'm married now to a different woman than whom I was living with last time. My two children then are now three and my new wife brought four with her. I live in a different house. My employment has changed.
All this and other information can identify trends by which the Government can set out it's strategies for the future. If you've nothing to hide or worry about then why object to giving the Government info you've probably given to your local Blockbuster?

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Like I said earlier the forms are delivered to an address NOT a person. They are also collected from that address iirc. Who is to say that people could fill the form with utter drivel? No-one. It may transpire that the population of our fair isle is 275 and a nun. :D

< no offence intended to nuns :D >

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I enjoy debate, difference of opinion, glad to hear you will still be joining in any future issues I come accross.:)

Very True, I have nothing dodgy to hide, I just like my privacy.

I also dont like being told, I have to do something, I like to have a choice.:)

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Since the last one mine have changed as well ... mind you the by the date of the next one in 2011 they may have changed again ... a lot can happen in 10 years ...

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No but KATEX on your signiure keeps winking :D

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Do you have a job? How do you get on with your boss? :D

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what does 'iirc' mean?

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If I recall/read/remember correctly

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Glad there's some one who can interpret text speak on here Caz:D

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I know ... is it annoying ? Keep expecting a load of cash to drop out from the bottom of me monitor ... LOL.

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Thanks

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Would know what you mean really kate, have lived a very shelter life and never used those kind of machines:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::D