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here we go again the anti smoking dimwitted, nazi,scumbag,saddos with no life or anthing better to do brigade are trying to get smoking in teh car banned

do these morons not realise that now cars come without ashtrays we have the window open so we can chuck our fags out of teh window so theres plenty of fresh air circulating

now they want smokers to be classed as child abusers if they smoke in a car when their kids are in it

they cant save children who get 7 bells of sh*t kicked out of them by tehir parents but have the time to moan about a bit of smoke in a car


my car - my rules

ya dont like it start walkin or get a bus :D


if im gonna be treated like a taxi by my kids im sure as hell gonna have a fag to stop me killing them :D

well until i get my champix sorted then i will have to find somthing else to keep me calm lol

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Im supprised they have not classed it as a distraction to driving aswell.

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Anything that puts kids health at risk is wrong (abuse is a bit strong) i see this daily up at the school and think its disgusting that parents sit in their car puffing away whilst full of kids........i think smoking in cars carrying minors should be against the law........its appalling :mad: but then again if people are happy to put their kids at risk thats up to them and their poor morals.

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i swear they kill off the pubs then make up some bogus statistic showing that teh smoking ban isnt resposible yet most teh pubs in ireland shut before teh ban hit england and then pubs shut down left right and center in england within months of the ban coming into effect

ya know who started off all this hassle towards smokers

bloody roy castle and his flippin trumpet and his dippy bitch wife parading up and down the country moaning about passive smoking

if your that affraid of breathing somthing in that can cause cancer stay away from traffic and get onto your local MP about companies that pump out a lot worse crap into our atmosphere than tobbacco:rolleyes:

thank god they havnt found a link between farting and asthma or we will end up been fitted with filters over our arseholes

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if im going down teh road with my window open having a ciggy it is totally different to sitting in a car with teh windows up chuffing away on a ciggy , when driving there is sufficiant airflow to dilute if not remove all of teh smoke from teh car

hell i cant sit in a car having a ciggy with teh window up and would definatly not do it with kids in teh car but come on theres been picky and too damn picky

if smoking is so damn dangerous why not ban it all together or does teh anual extortionate raise in tax on them keep this country affloat:rolleyes:

im giving up ( again) but i sure wont be one of them ex smoking halfwits that preeches to everyone who dares have a ciggy

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I don`t remember mentioning the window being up or down..........but i`m not arsed because its not something that me or my kids will ever have to deal with........

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didnt say you did i was merely pointing out the different situations where people smoke in a car , these halfwits want it banning period and havnt as far as i know shown any proof that smoking in teh car while driving it causes harm to passengers

if teh cars parked up with no airflow and teh windows are up then yes constant exposure to that could cause problems but driving down teh road with yur wiondow down and fag held out of the window or very near to te open window isnt harming anyone except for teh person smoking it

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Be careful you might get done for littering ;):D:D

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This is bs ... we already have it in Ontario ... funny thing is, you can drive down the highway yakking on a cell phone quite legally .... but you can't smoke in your vehicle if there are minors inside

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Another dumb thing I forgot to mention is that this law is not Canada-wide ... for example, if you drive from Kingston to Montreal with kids in the car, it is illegal to smoke until you reach the Ont./Que. border, then you can light up. The Quebecois, as a rule, tend to ignore all laws related to limiting smokers' rights. Vive le Quebec:mosher:

And on a slightly realated topic (under the general heading of "This is a Crock): Anyone who has caught the late-breaking news from the US of A might wish to re-think their fly swatting habits ... pretty soon we may not even be able to squeeze zits for fear of putting bacteria at risk:eek:

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Smoking around children is quite disrespectful and is obviously a distraction from driving.

Surely it doesn't take such an effort to hold on a few minutes, stop the car and get out away from the children and smoke a cigarette then? I am so glad smoking in public places has been banned. Passive smoking is just as bad. It isn't nice for a child to be around. They'll still be able to smell it and breathe quite a lot of it in even if the window is down. I can't ever see smoking being totally banned for many reasons but more restrictions need to be made, surely. Fair enough if you enjoy smoking but it isn't nice for those who don't enjoy it.

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Well I've not much to say about smoking really, I'll just ask anybody who wants, to pop round to my gaffe for half an hour then judge for yourself if smoking is worth it, I've no thoughts one way or the other in the smoking debate, everybody makes their own minds up. When I was growing up it was "cool" to smoke, the thing to do, you were a wimp if you didn't dash out of school and light up down the nearest back street. I gave up 31 years ago the first time a doctor said it was damaging my health, mind you he just told me to cut down not stop, but I stopped, unfortuneatley to late was the cry. As I said feel free to pop in and see the effects of smoking first hand, but remember there's NO SMOKING:D:D

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So are you saying that stopping is of no help at all,or only in your case.:confused::confused:

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what is CFS. Its a collection of consonants to me just now
Think I would rely on professional input rather than google though Margaret. Anyways. Good luck with that. Hope you manage some relief

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I have reopened my blog. It may help others with similar problems.

The 'professionals' failed me - my blog provides more info.

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I just asked what the letters stood for
Thats what I was asking. So...Maybe I'll just google it
I'm sure blog is very interesting Margaret and thanks for offering to share that
Personally, for the majority, I'll recommend (and continue doing so) the generic, tried, rigorously tested and researched by clever, focused, innovative professionals medication types.

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Where would one go to seek out such people??
Please don't mention GP's.:confused::confused:

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Obviously the G.P.s that you have been too are not the best in the world..........never mind Pete, one day you will hit the jackpot and be running round like a spring chicken. :D

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If you look at what I've said Beni, I gave up to late as the damage was already done, but I'm in no doubt that if I hadn't have given up when I did we wouldn't be entering into our regular banter on here:D

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CFS, susie is Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, I've just read some of the items which Margaret linked, seems very interesting, but in my case I'm to far gone and subscribe to your thinking, its to late to change ship after 30 years

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or a headless one lol :D

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No sense could pass this law, surely.

Unlike the ban on using a mobile phone while driving, this smoking concern is not associated with the increased likelihood of a road accident. It's associated with the effect of smoking upon children in close proximity. Therefore, if the law was enforced for parents smoking in cars, the same logic would be able to pass a similar law for smoking in your own home while among children.

Most parents would agree that smoking around children is wrong - some wouldn't - but to make a legal issue out of it is (in my opinion) absurd. We're supposed to be giving parents more responsibility, not less.

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Wood not live without it Jay,Do you think Franklands played a part in our demise.:confused:

Sorry about the wood.:D:D

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Franklands, now you have started me thinking:confused::confused::confused:

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Why have kids in cars in the first place? Not one of of the little brats know how to behave - when they are not fidgeting they are crying or arguing or making the sort of silly comments that we constantly read on here. They are quite simply a distraction and a hazard to drivers. Still, if they have to get from A to B maybe we should have special kiddy cars with soundproof compartments in the back where they can be locked up for the duration of the journey.

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I take it kids aren't your forte Tealeaf:rolleyes:

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Yeah....but I might change my mind when I become a grown-up.

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Are we there yet.:dummy2::D

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Funnily enough I was thinking about this today. I saw a woman with her fag in her hand whilst she was driving and I just thought it was a bit distracting. What if she was to accidentally burn herself because she'd forgotten to flick the ask off the end or something?

I think there should be a balance of the pros and cons when you choose to do something, and for me it would seem that it seems to be an unnecessary risk to take for the sake of a bit of nicotine.

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[quote=blazey;724385]What if she was to accidentally burn herself because she'd forgotten to flick the ask off the end or something? [quote]


ash dosnt burn you and besides weve been smoking for years we know how to handle a ciggy :)

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[QUOTE=accyman;724689][quote=blazey;724385]What if she was to accidentally burn herself because she'd forgotten to flick the ask off the end or something? Not everyone has though have they? And I meant like the boulders... they must burn because they burn through clothes and stuff...

Or if you drop the cigarette.

I just think it is unnecessary. I've seen people rush a fag at a bus stop before the bus comes. I just don't see the need for it.

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[quote=blazey;724693][quote=accyman;724689]Ive never had a "boulder" off a normal cigarette, I may be wrong but thought that it was only dodgy fags that dropped boulders (and i will stand corrected if wrong, just never has happened when ive been smoking - i dont smoke the dodgy ones lol)

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[quote=blazey;724693][quote=accyman;724689]Neither do I should be able to go on the top deck with it still lit.:D:D

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think your getting ciggys confused with joints blazey lol

boulder burns are from joints , thats why dope heads walk around with burns in their tops lol

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Well I don't smoke but obviously I've seen burns in material in the past. I just did a quick google search and some car valeting companies seem to do 'cigarette burn repairs' on car seats.

Sadly I also brought up a picture of a baby covered in cigarette burns as well.

I don't understand the need to smoke. I have tried it, I don't find it particularly worth my time, so I don't do it. So maybe I am as biased as the smokers who think it is so necessary to smoke. Who knows.

What I do know is that I know very few smokers of my own age at university, so I think smoking is something which is in decline and will hopefully continue to do so. I imagine most of you wouldn't want your children to smoke even though you think it is so necessary yourselves.

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im in the preocess of giving up but wouldnt dream of telling smokers they should give up as well infact the last time i gave up i still stood outside with the smokers with no problem what so ever

sadly non smokers seem to feel the need to preech to smokers when all they really need to do is shut their gobs and go find somewhere thats more suited to them

theres peope do a lot worse to tehir kids than smoke near them infact i would argue that regular trips to mcdonalds and kfc are just as bad to a childs health if not worse

i bet theirs more kids wheezing through lack of breath from been over weight than what there is from mum or dad smoking in teh car

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I've just read through this.
I may be wrong but I thought it was illegal to do ANYTHING whilst driving? Using a mobile, eating, smoking are all considered to be a distraction that could create, or be a factor of, an accident. Are you not supposed to have both hands on the wheel at all times unless changing gear?

Incidentally, my thoughts on this are that the selfishness of some parents towards their children are too unbelievable for words. How the hell can you expect to teach them smoking is wrong and unhealthy for the human body when you're doing it in front of them? You may as well teach them to smoke....

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I've never told anyone not to smoke, and I'll often stand outside in the cold with my few friends that DO smoke so then I don't have to just sit and wait and put our conversation on hold.

As smokers are in the minority in my age group and social circles, I think it is the smokers that should 'shut their gobs and find somewhere better suited to them', and the law now demands this.

Jolly good :D

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but then you would follow them so you can continue talking to them :rolleyes:

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Yes, but that is my choice then. Plus there is less fresh air indoors to balance out the smoke.

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Just to upset the smokers even more, the EU are thinking of banning smoking outside pubs and offices as well as outdoor concerts like Glasto:eek::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes :

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A sure fire way to close the few remaining pubs that are left trading:rolleyes:

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Many landlords will not have smokers as tenants.
I can understand that they do not want their property to smell of tobacco, but there are natural wholesome ways to avoid all household smells.
People with flatulence are more obnoxious :D

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Looks that way Bernie, as a none smoker it was a good move for me, but I do have sympathy with people who like a fag with their pint, I know I used to. Can't see why pubs couldn't have a designated smoking room with extractor fans taking the smoke out of the building, that to me would have kept everybody happy

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So you to spent time in the tap room in your younger days Margaret:D

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Karma for that Jaysay, If my perception of you is correct, I believe you are an ex smoker, and also may have been seriously harmed by the effects of yours, and other people smoking (until proved otherwise anyway), as such, your understanding of the needs of some smokers, is a credit to the common sense you possess!

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There probably is Accyman, and it needs sorting, but, isn't that a different subject/thread altogether?! you can help those that are overweight, to lose weight, you can't clean out their lungs from breathing in smoke fumes!! :rolleyes:

Agree...!! x

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Thanks derek, I'd never nag anybody to give up smoking although it has not done my health much good, I just think there should be a bit of common sense used and smoking areas to me would have been the answer rather than an all out ban. People make their own decisions in life and we don't really need the nanny state taking these decisions out of peoples own hands

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John I would have more respect for their decisions (be it Labour, Tory or whoever happens to get into power that makes it) if they just banned tobacco sales completely if they were so concerned about the adverse effect passive smoking can cause. Now as we all know NONE of them will do that because of the loss of taxes paid on these products. If and when any of them are brave enough to fetch a complete ban on tobacco sales I might gain a bit of respect for their preaching. Won't hold my breath waiting though:rolleyes:

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Rubbish...were did you get that from?.. if please post stuff that is at least from this planet.. and Hey..thats tax payers gas you are sniffing..supplied by us via a labour government..stop moanin and pray David Cameron don't turn the tap off next year:confused:

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Mancie , here you go EU zealots demand a ban on smoking OUTSIDE pubs. | News | News Of The World

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Mancie you really do need to change your TV and readng material, your never likely to learn anything about the real world in the Dandy and Beano or on Cbeebies and Boomerang kids channels:rolleyes:

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Nearly all student accommodation at lancaster uni is non-smoking now. You get fined if you are caught smoking in your room. There will soon be no more smoking-allowed accommodation and the students will be expected to go outside.

I don't think it is unreasonable. Nicotine stains on the ceiling isn't very nice to look at and sometimes non-smokers do get put in those rooms sometimes. I feel for them!

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then they can do what everyone else does when they move into a new place

clean it and decorate it and then once paying teh rent themselves do with it as they choose

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You can't decorate student accommodation. Plus most student accommodation has those ceiling tiles that are made of polystyrene. Not the easiest things to clean.

You aren't even allowed candles in student accommodation so I don't see why they should allow smoking. Both are fire hazards, and cigarette smoke has the added problem of staining the ceiling, annoying neighbouring students and making everything stink. Is it really that much to ask that smokers go outside to avoid these problems?

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i didnt think polystyrene tiles were legal these days on rented property because of been a fire hazzard

im %100 sure my friends mortgage provider wouldnt complete until polystyrene tiles had been removed from one of the bedrooms

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They may well be acoustic tiles - very different - and ideal in flats full of young people

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I believe they are legally required to contain fire retardant chemicals as they are obviously a HUGE fire risk, particularly when idiots paint them (probably a good thing students aren't allowed to decorate after all!)

I have no idea though to be honest. Landlord and tenancy isn't something I know much about.

Obviously University accommodation is checked by the fire department regularly though so I think if they were breaking the law then the fire dept. would have noticed by now.

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well i have been and stayed in many student accomodation places and can quite safely say the majority would be crap holes wether or not anyone smoked in them lol

unless teenage kids away from home getting wasted have changed their living habbits that is :D

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And they're definitely not acoustic tiles.

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And most of Lancaster's accommodation is extremely good but I live in the old blocks from the 70's because it's about £20 a week cheaper.

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polystyrene:eek:, hell that was outlawed years ago, bet the fire prevention officer isn't aware of this:eek::eek:

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I had fire officers in my flat just the other week thanks to my flat mate. Shall I get one down and have a look at one :p

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It's not polystyrene, though polystyrene tiles are still for sale in B&Q. It's some form of cardboardy type stuff. I'll have a go at setting a bit on fire.

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Whatever it is, it doesn't flame, it just blackens.

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you a bit bored there blazey?

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No, why do you ask?

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That sounds like the acoustic tiles I mentioned earlier.
I am familiar with them because they are commonly used in suspended ceilings (were installed in the public building I was in charge of looking after at one time)

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They probably are made out of similar stuff. There are lots of different sorts of acoustic tiles and panels.

It's not flammable anyway. I tried :p

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why do I 'smirk' at the thought of Blazey going up in flames (committing suttee ) (sp?) :D :D

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Those type of tiles are usually fire resistant blazey, they vary from half an hour to 1 hour fire resistant, usually fitted on an metal framework suspended on wires, but have seen them fixed to an existing ceiling by glue or staples

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Oh yes I remember it well:D just wish I could remember you Margaret:D