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Theres a new ruling coming out regarding visitors to schools or anyone who has regular contact with children. Its called the vetting and barring scheme. It covers CRB checks and list 99 ... in fact it covers all the loopholes. Now some authors who go into schools are going to stop going in if they have to be checked for this list.

BBC NEWS | UK | School safety 'insult' to Pullman

As far as im concerned its nowt different from being CRB checked and why are they complaining ... If they had kids in a school do they not want them to be protected and to know for certain any visitors to the school are going to be checked and then know their kids are going to be safe.

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ive seen this on the news today, its a good idea, the authors (or whoever) that go in will be remembered by the children as a 'safe' person because they have been into school. that puts them in a position of trust so they should be fully checked!

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That link includes this
"Once passed, an individual will not need separate checks for each place they work or volunteer in"
....which is not strictly true. Our local school bus drivers are checked TWICE - once by LCC and then again by Blackburn Council, if they happen to drive school buses in both districts.
This beaurocracy does give the impression that collecting fees from it is just as important as child safety.

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I was CRB checked by LCC for volunteering in a school, by rossendale borough council due to work bringing me into contact with children as i was on reception and kids were coming into the sports centre and by the credit union because i was going into a school to do the school collections all within the space of 2 months ... and they were all done by LCC's clearance centre. I would expect the school bus drivers to be done the same ... When i told my boss at work that i was already CRB cleared she told me that rossendale borough council wanted one of their own ... so filled in all the forms again .. then the credit union needed one ... so already told them rbc and lcc had already done it and they said they needed a separate one for their records .. so i would expect Blackburn with Darwen Council which is a unitary authority would want to do their own besides having LCC doing one. I took it as this new one once you were cleared and on it you wouldnt need it doing again ...

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you need one for each job as there maybe a conviction in between jobs...

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Typical stupid Government bringing in pointless legislation for the wrong reasons. Huntley will have been CRB checked if he was a college caretaker. How would this new idea have saved the girls who did not even go to his college?

So if you only visit once every 2 months you must automatically be safe to be with the kids.

Exactly and that is why it is a waste of time.

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Another stupid idea - if you hold a valid CRB any convictions should be reported to your employer. Then if you have a conviction while working in the same place the employer will be informed. It should be more of a registration scheme than just a bit of paper.

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I agree that the CRB system is flawed. I go into schools and as it happens I have a CRB check with LCC which covers me for going into LCC schools. But the fact is that I have had to have THREE CRB checks from different organisations costing three times as much. In fact, the CRB check costs £24 I think, which means that three times that is £72, so in theory getting one of these new checks would cover everything and would in the long run save money perhaps.

But, if the system is not meant to replace CRB checks then it could mean that some of us who work in these situations could end up paying out twice.

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Theoretically this also affects an parent volunteers who want to help out at the school. There are a number of parents who sell school sweaters, join the PTA, join the walking bus, go on library trips with classes etc.. who would feel so pressurised about the whole thing that they would just not do what they're doing. Schools would start to really struggle.

These are all mums of pupils who are at the school - they are trying to help their own children get a good experience from being at school - this would just put them off.

These people know that they aren't CRB checked and so aren't ever left alone with children but they are doing a valuable job.

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A question that seems begging for an answer is: "What has gone so wrong since I went to school"? And that may give rise to questions like: "Has it got so bad that all this is necessary"? "Are we overreacting"? and probably lots more.

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It is just another tax raising excercise.
Now we have flu epidemics, so expect a tax on sneezing soon:rolleyes:

The idea of investigating the past of persons who work with children is sound, but taxing them isn't

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And not only sneezing; there will be an added tax based on how many times you flush the toilet .... and while we are talking of the toilet, Schopenhauer was full of it;):D

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the thing is all organisations need to cover their back it only takes one person not to do their job properly and it would have left the rest of the organisations open to scrutiny if anything did happen.

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Another thing about the CRB clearance ... because at work we have the coaches for the kids courses and also clubs bringing their own coaches in we need to have copies of the clubs own coaches crb clearances and we also say that the crb clearances need to be redone every 3 years ... I dont know what hyndburn council say about their crb clearances .. and if/when they say their crb clearances need to be renewed ...

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Seems its ok to dress your 7 year old up as an 18yr old slapper , but then start crying pedofilia (sp?) when her classmates father wants to take a group photo
The primary school prom queens: The 7-year-olds with £800 dresses, limos, make-up and fake tans | Mail Online

seems to me if more parents did the right thing and accepted their parental responsibilities instead of expecting the Govt. to take care everything half of this stuff would not be neccessary :rolleyes: :confused:

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CRB checks should be provided by the Government who are trying to make it look like they care for no charge to anyone. It should be a public service.

Is this another good reason for an ID card scheme? Each person could be checked on entry to the school by swiping their card. This would flag up any issues about the person straight away. It could be live information so up to date.

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How are you supposed to carry out your parental responsibilities when your child is in school and you are at work???
I expect my child to be safe at school and I believe when you hand over your child at the start of the school day, they take on the responsibility for your child from a safety point of view.

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Any sort of formal ID card or CRB check puts people off helping out.

For example - the mother of one of the children at school, she's very helpful when it comes to PTA things (raffle tickets, selling teas at events, helping out selling school sweaters, etc), her kids have been at the school for over 10 years so she's well known, she's never left alone with any children, she's NOT CRB checked.

Now, I realise that these rules are for the safety of the children but equally there has got to be some element of common sense in there too. This example is a hard working contributor to the school - if you asked her to fill in a form or put herself on a list she'd probably run a mile - the school would lose out because it's very hard to find willing volunteers.

Now, if we're talking about an author or someone who is unknown to the school coming in for a one-off session then I think, absolutely, there should be some sort of central check done.

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From what I understand this £64 they are going to charge is not a one off payment but and annual subscription to the government, don't mind me asking but is fresh air still free:rolleyes:

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Then, like I said, it will completely stop parents from helping out in schools.

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There isn't any, unless you get it on the National Elf, like you do;)

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That's not even fresh Margaret, it comes through a machine;)

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Everything is recycled - yesterday's farts are tomorrow's 'fresh air' :D
At least your machine filters out yours

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Not if we all had ID cards.
It would become natural to have to whip it out when requested to prove you are who you say you are.

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But the ID card is going to be voluntary isn't it? Plus it's going to cost £35 or something like that. Again - who is going to get one of them?

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I was not referring to the stupid voluntary scheme but an enforced ID card provided by the state for everyone.

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I don't think that will ever happen. No political party would want to bring in such an unpopular thing. It would be political suicide at the moment.

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why are these cards acceptable in europe,yet not here?:confused:

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I don't know. But so many people object to them that I'm fairly sure the major parties would hesitate about enforcing them as it could be a vote loser.

That's why there's this half-cocked voluntary thing going on which will never work.

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The voluntary scheme is a Micky mouse idea by a Micky mouse government

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I can't see how they can make these ID Cards compulsory when they don't even know how many people are living in the country. It has been shown on TV documentaries that loads of people enter the country and just disappear off the radar. So how could compulsory ID Cards possibly work?:confused:

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ID cards are old tecnology.
When they have caused a situation where you are convinced that ID is essential
(like when they convinced you that invasion of Iraq was essential),
they will microchip you with a chip so small it fits into a hypodermic syringe.

PS even George Orwell didn't see that one coming

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Even if that were the intention how do they ensure everybody is chipped if they don't know how many people are in the country?

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The chip stores other things besides ID -
...it can replace money
...so you can't survive without it

...anyone who hasn't got a chip can't have money credited to it (wages/benefits) and so can't buy food and other essentials, like a debit/credit card you can never lose.

That way the illegals could be identified, but at a great cost to our freedom.
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ips-47599.html

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But even then if they don't know people are here how can they ensure EVEYBODY gets chipped?

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When you cant spend or receive money without one, don't you think there might be queue to get it?

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nobody knows if they are unpopular its only the pc brigade who shout about them being unpopular .has anybody bothered to ask people in their workplaces homes etc ie the silent majority:confused:

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This link shows their good points and bad
RFID Chips Are Here

I think they are too intrusive and will lead to population control as in '1984'

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or logans run ;)

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It will happen I am sure of that. Maybe if all the bigger parties could actually agree on how to implement them then we could not blame any one party.

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Its not the implementation I'm bothered about Neil, its the fact that so much data has been lost over the last few years, can you trust any government (a government are only as good as the civil servants that work for them)