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Any thoughts on wether mankind could step foot on Mars in the next 20ys.. Neil Armstrong reckons it could be done.
It would cost a fortune but should mankind spend massive amounts to explore our solar system?

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We got there already but they haven't told us yet.
Dont spread it around, they want it to be a surprise

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Here is something to pass your time on a wet Monday
The NASA Cydonia Briefings

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For the amount of money spent on the two wars against Iraq, and maybe a Nimitz class aircraft carrier, humans could land on Mars, or, to be more precise Barsoom.;)

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We can't afford to keep this planet let alone travel to one billions of miles away

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why go exploring it woudl be a lot cheaper to let them come to us infact they probably have had a look around and decided not to bother saying hi.

can u imagine what it would be like for an alien to find himself on earth it would probably be teh equivalent of us going on holiday and finding ourselves in iraq when we got off teh plane

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like who gives a rats? saddos or what?:rolleyes:

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a cool site for real time tracking what satellite is overhead

NASA - Science@NASA J-Track 3D

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Think I'll stick with what cashy:D

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They should go to the moon before they try Mars????

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We have been to the moon, the last visit was 37 years ago.
We should go back to the moon, use it as a staging post to explore onwards, we know very little of the moon, after all only 12 men have walked on its surface.
Why should mankind go, simple because we can, its in our nature to explore.
We should go 'not because it is easy, but because it is hard' (to kind of steal JFK's quote). We are a race of explorers, why stop now?

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yeh right, when ya look at the state of our own world, against the cost of such a mission, its money well spent.:rolleyes:

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It does not matter how much money we stick into our planet to make it better, it never will.
I work in Africa, look how much money has been pumped into here, it's still the third world. That will never change. If the USA, and they alone have the money and skill want to go to Mars, then they should.
The money it will cost will not help the world be better, we still have Malaria and polio, these cannot be eradicated by money alone, the will of the people is needed as well. The WHO (World Health Organisation) have been trying to eradicate Malaria for years, but some of the leaders of the countries involved will not let the WHO in, thats not Nasa's fault.

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no-ones blaming Nasa, just the fools that pump the money into em.

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America, today, do not have the expertise to go to the moon, land and take off again to return to earth so lets not pretend that they are capable of "doing" Mars.

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You kid yourself ossy kid:rolleyes: They landed on the moon 40 years ago, and if anybody moves forward its the Yanks

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The Yanks are now bankrupt.
I am watching out for the signs of massive civil disobedience there.
The government have made plans for it - FEMA camps
The crunch will come when their financial year ends in September.
Very shortly all those people who lost their jobs (and homes) will reach the end of their 6 months dole payments. People with nothing left to lose - 'lose it'

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If they did it 40 years ago don,t you think they would have been back again? Of course they would, I kid you not. There,s a big space out there and some day man {U.S.A.** will travel to far reaches and good luck to them, but that time is not yet.

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Well since I prefer webbrowsing to shopping (or housecleaning), I have spent this mainly sunless day looking at manned moon mission evidence on the web.
(retired bored pensioners do that sort of thing)

I have joined the many who think it was all hoax.
I haven't bookmarked all the webpages I looked at, or this post would have exceeded all tolerable limits.

I have just saved this one for your perusal, because it is more like a summary of most of the stuff I looked at - happy viewing :D
The Apollo Hoax

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Good one Margaret, it reminded of the name of the film Capricorn 1, which also goes a long way in convincing people just what can be faked in a flm studio.
I don't think Hollywood was involved in the making of the Apollo mission films, to many mistakes in lighting and camera angles. What beats me is why none of the original astronauts have blown the whistle, or would the cost be too dear for them.

Retlaw

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There are so many lies masquerading as truth that it is bewildering at times to know what is real and what isn't.

All we can do is attempt to find the truth for ourselves, and then often, when both versions are flawed, the only thing left is our own intuition.

It is all history now anyway, but it does make me cautious in believing what media outlets tell us as 'the truth'.

I don't want to appear corny but have to say
'the truth is out there':D

I have just watched last nights 'New Tricks' on BBCi player.
Quite amused to note that there is more and more UFO stuff appearing on the mainstream media, which gives rise to the thought that official disclosure is not far off.
The public are being conditioned to it slowly.

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kinda convinentt hat they lost teh only recording they have of teh moon landing isnt it

mind you with todays technology tehir crappy effects woudl easily be exposed so i cant blame nassa for loosing the most important footage allegedly captured on film

iv always had doubts about teh noon landing been fake and them magicly recording over somthing that by rights shoudl be locked up and protected is mighty convinent because no one can now ever examine the so called evidence

what could be so important they had to grab teh moonlanding tape and record over it

coronation street perhaps ? :rolleyes:

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Regarding point 28 of questions that must be answered.... Quote 'In 1969 computer chips had not been invented'
In fact Integrated circuits (microchips) were invented in 1958, by Jack Killby and Robert Noyce.
The Apollo program and the Minuteman Program were the two largest purchasers of Microchips throughout the 1960's.
Since the writer of the web page is not a astrophysicist, rocket engineer, test pilot, I would think that maybe he does not know all that much. I certainly don't but managed to rebuke one of his 'facts' in a few minutes.

I have never seen any evidence that we did not go to the moon. But I have first hand, seen evidence that we did, the Saturn V, A Lunar Rover, Moon Rock and had the honour of meeting Eugene Cernan, the last man on the moon.

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fer anyone to claim "never landed on the moon" is just as nuts as funding these jaunts IMHO.:rolleyes:

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Actually I take it all back, I have just found a website, proving beyond doubt that we never set foot on the moon, Fake Moon Landings The moon landings are fake!

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that makes you as sarcastic as me........... or nuts.:D;)

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not saying we have never gone to the moon im saying i think the first alleged landing could be fake

america was in a race with russia and if memory serves corectly america had already lost the space race to russia and i wouldnt put it past america to win the race to the moon by any means even if it meant not actually going there

lets face it they created a war against a country on imaginary weapons of mass distruction ,possibly assasinated their own president and the twin towers has so many loose ends even that story looks shakey

anyway we will never know for sure because they destroyed the only so called proof that there was :D

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And do you not think that the Soviets would have been watching and tracking the moon shot and waiting to expose a fake?

As I said, I Know we went, I don't need your level of proof

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It seems we have been lied to quite a lot by one government or another at various times.
When lies are discovered, you feel insulted don't you? I know I do.

To come to terms with distortions of history, I have found a way of coping.

Whatever propoganda they spew out next will get a response
'Darling, I don't give a damn'

..when you weigh it all up, what really matters is how you and yours are coping with living right here and now, and only when I get lies directed to me personally, will I respond accordingly -
they can mess with history all they want for their little power games.

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Quite right, those darn Russians would have been waiting to call "fake". Problem was, they missed it! Couldn,t find those darn Americans. I believe a couple of their generals were sent to Siberia for not being able to track the "moon landing". The one thing the supposed moon landing has created is one of the best debates of the past century, and everyone is entitled to believe whatever they deem to be the truth, even those who think it did happen.{wish I was smart enough to add a smiley**

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Seemingly, according to a recent survey ... 25% of the population do not believe that the Americans landed on the moon .. that's a lot of people.

Bet you don't believe that Norad doesn't actually track Santa every Christmas either Ossy Kid ... :rolleyes:

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Not at all, i expect it, yer easy insulted Margaret.:D

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If the landing was a fake it would have took a hell of a lot of people keep stum over he last forty years, which would have been impossible, there is always one that will fall to temptation to make a quick buck, its human nature

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Maybe - a few died unexpectedly - perhaps it was the moon bacteria that did it :rolleyes::)

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I believe the first mission was well mmmmmmmm.

But let forget about the moon and mars

Let go and check out the Monolith.:cool:

YouTube - (Buzz Aldrin) ~ A Monolith exists on a Mars Moon.............

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Would there be bacteria on the Moon ? Thought no life there .. :rolleyes:

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I did add a sarcastic smiley
If you really looked at the link I posted you would have seen this
Thousands of people were employed to work on the Apollo mission, but very few people had access to the complete picture. By giving several people a small role in the missions meant that they would not see the whole project.
Some of the Eleven Apollo astronauts had non space related fatal accidents within a twenty two month period of one another, the odds of this happening are 1 in 10,000...coincidence?


YouTube - Moon Landing Hoax? - Apollo 11 What You Never Saw on TV

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Yes, you did .. apologies.

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That's what worries me kate, when Margaret uses sarcastic smilies:eek::eek::D

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they did infact a lot of teh top peopel working on teh moon landing died in accidents and other susupicious ways

teh parts were assembled over a large number of factories so no one knew what they were building but people higher up in the know suddenly started dropping off like flies after teh landing

all coincidence of course lol

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Anybody care to name, names, times, type of death etc......

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Neil Armstrong still alive - a recluse = no interviews
Buzz Aldrin still alive
Pete Conrad Died July 8, 1999 in a motorcycle accident
Alan Bean still alive
Alan Shepard Died July 21, 1998
Edgar Mitchell cured of cancer 'by remote healing'
David Scott still alive
James Irwin Died August 8, 1991 of a heart attack
John W. Young still alive
Charles Duke still alive
Eugene Cernan still alive
Harrison Schmitt still alive
Edward Givens Died June 6, 1967 Car accident near Houston, Texas
Clifton Williams Died October 5, 1967 Plane crash near Tallahassee, Florida
Frank Borman - still alive
Jim Lovell still alive
William Anders still alive
Tom Stafford still alive
Michael Collins still alive
Dick Gordon still alive
Jack Swigert Died December 27, 1982 bone cancer
Fred Haise still alive
Stuart Roosa died on December 12, 1994 pancreatitis
Al Worden still alive
Ken Mattingly still alive
Ronald Evans Died April 7 1990 heart attack

Those were Apollo astronauts. I am unable to obtain details of technical staff

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They weren't mentioned in the videos - just on this link
The Apollo Hoax
as an extra to all the other overwhelming evidence

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yeah ok teh next tiem they show teh program on tv i will grab a notepad and pen and be sure to write teh name of every person that died just incase i need teh information 5 years down teh line

until then no i cant:)

i do remeber a couple were involved in hit and run accidents and the culprits never caught , i think one was shot but like i said i wasnt taking notes

one may have been a posioning but that may be another conspiracey theory im thinking of

theres just too many to keep track of

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So you expect me to believe you with little or no proof and you think we did not land on the moon, despite the overwhelming proof that we did. Hilarious.

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Other than NASA saying so, where's yours?:D
.....were you there?

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i believe you have flown planes with little or no proof shown to say that you have,for all we know you may just be very good at microsoft flight simulator games but untill you give me reason to think you a liar i will take your word for it:)

ps:

i havnt said i dont think we have landed on the moon i just dont think the one 40 years ago is beyond reasonable questioning.If somthing dosnt look right people will question it and i would rather peopel question things than blindly buy bull

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There are some of us old enough to have watched the news 40 years ago and judge accordingly. The opinion of many was that the Americans couldn,t take off and land successfully from earth, without using parachutes, so to take off from earth, land on the moon and then take off again was way beyond their capabilities. Of course we all wanted it to be true, it just didn,t make sense.

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There were literally thousands of people involved in the Apollo missions to the moon and if it was a hoax does anybody really think that it would still be a secret, there is always one that wants to make a name or themselves and the money that would have been made by revealing the landings as a hoax would be to much a temptation

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I don't need to prove to you Maragret, I know man landed on the moon, I have seen the evidence first hand, spoken to one of the men who landed there, Eugene Cernan, Touched a Saturn V, read articals on the subject by Rocket scientists and engineers, fly aircraft, that without the Apollo program, would not have the flight computers and guidance systems installed.

I have read Bill Kayslings writings, the man most credited with claiming the Apollo moon landings were fake, this is a man who worked for Rocketdyne, who built the Saturn V engines, he was the company's head of technical publications but was not trained as an engineer or scientist. Oh dear.
I have read many a web link on the subject and they all come up with the same arguments, the C rock, the camera, the lack of microchips etc.....
I have proved the Microchip argument is wrong, no one said anything.
I have had enough of arguing the point home, mainly as people who believe in the hoax cannot be won over. I know we went, I do not need to believe.

As I said earlier, prove to me we did not go to the moon. Not just some website or TV show please, real hard evidence. Things like here is the Rock with the 'C' on it, or here is where they filmed the landing etc.... I wait with baited breath.:D

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IF the men made it to the moon, WHY did they go to great lengths to manufacture photos to 'prove it'
YouTube - Apollo Moon Hoax? Dr. David Groves Analysis

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Again, you don't answer what was asked. Still any proof of the photo's... You work for Kodak?
Who said the photo's were manufactured?

A you tube video does not prove anything. Why don't you personally go to Kennedy Space Centre, watch a shuttle or rocket launch, I have both, speak to some of the people involved and look at the equipment. That way you will have a credible argument. I have done that, I will not bother with this silly row any longer it is getting ridiculous, you will not accept any real evidence, and there is a overwhelming amount. You tube videos and people like Kaysling are not evidence.

Still waiting for someone to show me the site they filmed the landing on?

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Unfortunately my level of security clearance does not give me access to Area 51;)

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And I cannot afford to take you to the moon in person to show you, it would cost about $200 million according to this, Space Adventures : Details

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Very realistic to say its all computer generated, your just giving Margaret more ammo, and if your going to the far side of the moon, what are the solar panels for, theres no sun on the far side, and how do you see where your going in the dark.

Retlaw

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They have a great big flashlight Retlaw:D

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Well - I shook hands with George Formby and I still can't play a ukulele:p

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What puzzles me is, if the Apollo didn't go to the moon, where did it go ? Into orbit whilst they played a pre-recorded landing, to come down again when prompted. Surely it would have been spotted and tracked easily just going around the Earth for days ?

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prove it lol

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no idea

these days with all the satelites in orbit nothing could get missed but 40 years ago technology would have been very limited and restricted so god knows what limitations there were back then

mr spoon made countless trips to the moon in the 80's and not once did n.a.s.a pick up one of his flights so if america cant spot a giant heinz baked bean tin with a huge funnel on the top of it hurtling towards teh moon what chances did russia have of seeing apollo:D

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_NEo-Aa1DLMc/Sj...umb%5B2%5D.jpg

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Amongst all the websites I read I recall reading that 2 Russian scientists were told to track it and were sacked when they didn't (couldn't?)

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Ya daft plonker ..... http://planetsmilies.net/happy-smiley-619.gif

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Ya its not like thy could hide a space craft in a garage whilst it was ready for re-entry, the Ruskies must have monitor every move of every mission, unless they were in on the bluff too:D

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Russia knew exactly where Apollo 11 was. Recording from Jodrell Bank.

http://www.jb.man.ac.uk/news/2009/luna15-apollo11/


I also notice that you declined to comment when I totally disproved your statement :-

'Some of the Eleven Apollo astronauts had non space related fatal accidents within a twenty two month period of one another, the odds of this happening are 1 in 10,000...coincidence?'

In fact you disproved it yourself on a later post where you listed some 20 odd astronauts were involved.

Problem with conspiracy theorists is that when you face them with the facts they tend to ignore them anyway.

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A search for truth is never ending.
I am open to new 'facts' all the time.
At present I believe they did not land.
The Jodrell Bank evidence is interesting, but the proven capacity of governments to perpetrate massive deception, sways me to doubt it.

When lie telling on a huge scale happens in other areas, i begin to regard all 'news' as propoganda.

The deaths of astronauts reported on that link appear an exaggeration, I agree
Edward Givens Died June 6, 1967 Car accident near Houston, Texas
Clifton Williams Died October 5, 1967 Plane crash near Tallahassee, Florida
These are the two I traced, which happened within a very short time.
I have no doubt that governments do 'eliminate' people who threaten to 'upset the applecart'.

Even the death of a munitions expert by suicide is about to be reinvestigated.

There are so many lies told that I despair of ever finding out the truth.
All I have to rely on is my intuition - which is the only way left to many of us.

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Have you considered why there are so many conspiracy theories going the rounds?
It is because the public has better access to info via the internet and Freedom of Information law.
Some past historic events have been revealed in their true light to be engineered by governments to create situations which happen to suit their purpose at the time.

So, like the boy who cried 'wolf', they cannot be expected to be believed all the time.
If the doubt escalates into widespread 'belief', it is labelled 'conspiracy theory', and derided.
When 'derision' happens, I tend to look for a reason for that too.:)

Whilst the world is ruled via greed for power and wealth, and deliberate lies
to mislead the population in order to achieve those aims
there will always be those that doubt - I regard it as healthy mistrust.

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The Apollo missions were tracked by the Soviets, yet again some fuzzy ideas here....
Proof, okay this article here, in Russian:

"Ìû «âèäåëè», êàê àìåðèêàíöû ñàäèëèñü íà Ëóíó..." «Íîâîñòè êîñìîíàâòèêè» çà äåêàáðü 2005 ã.

I cannot speak Russian either, but thanks to a web site written by physicist's, here is a literal translation.
Translated:

We "saw",
As Americans
Sat down on the Moon...
E.Molotov specially
For " News of astronautics "

Whether clause(article) of the participant of events of 30-years prescription of E.P.Molotova offered(suggested) to readers throws light on unknown pages of " lunar race " and finally closes a ridiculous question " there Were Americans on the Moon? "

Has passed more than 30 years since as the most expensive race between Soviet Union and the United States of America for superiority(championship) in landing the person to the Moon has been developed(unwrapped). Who has won this race of prestige - it is known. Many events have taken place for this time...

Process of competition was repeatedly described both American, and the Russian party(side). It is represented to us interesting to tell about one of it(him) of earlier not shined(covered) episodes.

Programs of preparation of landing of the person on the Moon in the USSR (flight УР-500 - Л-1, landing(planting) Н-1 - Л-3) and in the USA ("Apollo") were conducted in parallel, and superiority(championship) had powerful political value. The Soviet management(manual) paid the big attention to a state of affairs with realization of the lunar program both in Soviet Union, and in America. For the objective control over performance of the American program the secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU D.F.Ustinov supervising the defensive industry of the country, at the end of 1967 has entrusted main designer РНИИ КП (at that time SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH INSTITUTE - 885) M.S.Rjazanskomu to develop a special control radio engineering complex with which help it would be possible to accept signals from the American spacecrafts of the program "Apollo", making flight of the Moon and landing(planting) to its(her) surface.

M.S.Rjazansky at that time was responsible for creation of onboard and ground radio engineering control facilities by spacecrafts of the Soviet lunar program. Under his(its) management(manual) for management Soviet пилотируемыми and automatic spacecrafts for research of the Moon the Ground complex of management including two control centres by flight, six ground and three ship items(points) of the management, equipped with corresponding stations of tracking and located on territory of Soviet Union and in the certain points of World ocean has been created. However these means could not be used for reception of the information from the ships "Apollo" as they worked in the other frequency range with the signals having other structure. Therefore it was necessary to create the special control complex, capable to provide reception of the data from "Apollos". It was supposed to accept from the American spacecrafts not only telephone (voice) and telemetering, but also the television information.

Has been solved to include in a control complex aerial TNA-400 with diameter of a mirror 32 m which was placed in Crimea, near to Simferopol (fig. 1). She(it) was used as the reception aerial of a radio engineering complex "Saturn - МС" providing management by the Soviet automatic space vehicles for research of the Moon later: "Moon rovers", devices for delivery of a lunar ground to the Earth, and also lunar satellites.

For work in structure of a control complex aerial TNA-400 has been equipped малошумящим with the reception device working in a range of 13 sm (range S in which transmitters of lunar modules of the program "Apollo" worked). Besides in structure of a complex have come: the demodulator of a group signal transmitted on bearing(carrying) frequency and the signals transmitted on поднесущих frequencies, the equipment of allocation of the voice, telemetering and television information, and also the equipment of display and management of a complex (fig. 2).

The control complex created in short terms РНИИ КП in cooperation with the several industrial enterprises, was ready to reception of signals from spacecrafts of the program "Apollo" in November, 1968.

To trace the ships at their flight on orbits around of the Moon and at landing(planting) to its(her) surface, it was necessary to have the ballistic data of these orbits for calculation целеуказаний to the aerial. However such data were not published by Americans. Therefore the data on orbits of flight were calculated by ballistics on the basis of time of start and arrival to the Moon of the ships "Apollo" which informed by the American radio. On these data paid off целеуказания for prompting the aerial which were specified on signals accepted by a control complex from the lunar ships.

Such approach to calculation целеуказаний has allowed to accept reliably enough signals from "Apollos". The problem(task) of search of signals was facilitated by that the diagram of an orientation of the aerial covered practically half of disk of the Moon.

Tracking was conducted behind spacecrafts of expeditions(dispatches) "Apollo - 8", "Apollo - 10", "Apollo - 11" and "Apollo - 12" from December, 1968 till November, 1969.
From all these ships telephone conversations of astronauts with the Earth and the telemetering information on a condition of onboard systems were accepted with high quality. The accepted television signal had poor quality because of an insufficient level of an energy potential of a radioline on the basis of the 32-meter aerial.

It is necessary to note, that the American network of tracking and management provided practically round-the-clock communication(connection) with spacecrafts "Apollo" while the Soviet control complex could accept signals only in that part of the visibility range which on time coincided with a visibility range of the Madrid station of tracking.

Lunar expedition(dispatch) under F.Bormana's management(manual) on a spacecraft "Apollo - 8" in December, 1968 has carried out the first пилотируемый flight to the Moon, has made 10 coils around of it(her) and, having come back to the Earth with the second space speed, has made soft landing(planting) at ocean.

This flight has formed the basis for a stop of works on the first stage of Soviet program Л-1 though all technics(technical equipment) and crews to пилотируемому to flight of the Moon by then were ready.

Flight of crew "Apollo - 11" with an output(exit) on a surface of the Moon on July, 20, 1969. N.Armstronga and E.Oldrina has finally stopped competition on landing the person to the Moon.

On fig. 3 photos of spectra of the signals accepted by control station from spacecrafts "Apollo", made with the screen of the videocontrol device are submitted.

On fig. 4 the image of rising of the Earth above the lunar horizon, accepted on a telechannel from one of the ships "Apollo" is shown.

As is known, after that Soviet Union has directed the efforts to research of the Moon by automatic space vehicles therefore impressing results have been received.

In summary we shall note, that data on creation and functioning of the Soviet special control radio engineering complex were not published earlier.


Now I know this is still not enough, so have a look at this and all the references on it.
Third-party evidence for Apollo Moon landings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am sure you Hoaxer's amongst us will still have more arguments. Still never mind the earth was once believed to be flat....

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Probably the same reason man as sought answers from the numerous religions that he created since the dawn of time, when we as a species began to think of things other than food and shelter
...human frailty.

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Interesting theory ... And I thought that we were just going thro' a period in history when there is an overabundance of nutbars.:eek:

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What a bleedin load of codswollop, but I suppose when you,re trying to convince the world that your con actually happened you have to go overboard. Just like the moon landing hoax, here they go again trying to baffle you with B.S. There isn,t one item in the whole pile of "proof" which could not be fabricated, as was the case 40 years ago. Fortunately common sense can still prevail. 40 years ago America did not have the technology to do what they claimed and, had you been there, you wouldn,t be on their bandwaggon today.

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whenever the conspiricy theorists get going I'm allways reminded of this guy

Edward Makuka Nkoloso - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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I'm always reminded that it seems to evoke the same sort of mad fervour that religion elicits in many others.

Keep the faith.

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hehehehehe

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:DSo now you know..we are all stupid..according to the leading historian of technology in the 1960's.. Ossykid...did they have Playstations in those days? :rolleyes:

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I always wondered why many people propose that the first moon landing was a hoax; but I haven't heard of too many questioning the subsequent landings:confused: Think we should remember that in '69 the technology they used was state of the art (don't like that phrase, but it works in shortish post) .... I was around for the landing. Reading about it in the media in the days leading up to the event, it seemed obvious to me that the technology was more than adequate to do the job. No one thought the gear they used was clunky or inadequate. Perhaps we can deny that Irish monks crossed the Atlantic in crude leather boats ... or that the Vikings did it ... or that the Kon Tiki actually did what it did .... or, even Columbus, did it with the crude technology of the late fifteenth century ... getting to the moon, like all the other great exploratory adventures was not only a technological endeavour, but also a human one.

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It is interesting that after providing real proof that the moon landings were tracked, no one except ossy kid who was rude in his post, has yet replied to it or provided any real evidence of the landing not happening, just web links to you tube abd silly web pages written by the same people.
So what next, Princess Diana killed by fuggin Prince Phillip, or maybe JFK and the Grassy Knoll?

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Sorry, but the JFK/Grassy knoll thing does bear some scrutiny ;) ;)

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Ah maybe I should have mentioned 9/11 instead

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Strange isn't it?

You only have to hear those two words and you know it's in reference to the assassination of J.F.K.

Who uses the word grassy?

Who first described it as a 'grassy knoll'?

I prefer verdant hillock, but perhaps that sounds too much like the name an American Congressman might have.

:D

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Hey up Garri, you've miss spelt the name, it should be Vernon Pillock.

Retlaw.

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...and he'd probably be the third, and have III after his name.

They like to keep it in the family.

:D

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True and then they will try n buy it. :eek:

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In another thread, a video entitled 'Truth!!! Please wake up', was posted to show Hollywood's involvement in 'cover-ups'.
I have read allegations that Stanley Kubrick was used by NASA to fabricate moon landing footage.

Yesterday I found this which is a really interesting slant on that 'theory'
Jay Weidner

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I have happened on a documentary - 40 minutes long - which reveals facts that the tv images you saw of the first moon walk were false.
Kissinger, Rumsfeld and Kubrick's widow are all shown testifying to that as fact.

So.....whether the moon landings were real or not, the pictures you saw were false.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/dark-side-of-the-moon/

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Margaret.....

Dark Side of the Moon | Watch Free Documentary Online, is a French mockumentary about the moon landings, it is neither real or meant to be, read the comments about it, have a search on the net or better yet watch the end and the blooper' reel.

man landed on the moon FACT
Next.....

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You obviously haven't watched it - or how can you explain that Kissinger, Rumsfeld and Kubrick's widow are shown saying that the tv footage of the moon landings was fabricated
In my post I do say that whether or not the landing was real, the tv images you saw weren't

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PS if you do not have time or patience to watch it all - start at 28 minutes

but the whole film explains WHY

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Margaret,
I would like to think that I am a pretty sane person, I am logical and will look at anything presented before me with interest. I fly a aircraft capable of hurtling through the atmosphere at over 500 Mph, with 195 souls on board. Man is not designed to fly at more than 5 miles high, but we do. So I consider that I am fairly well balanced.

I did some research on this before watching it, because, yes I had to see if there was any truth to what it and you said.

The film was made by William Karel in 2002, originally called Opération Lune, aired on the French station Arte. There are people in this called Dave Bowman and Jack Torrance, Dave was in 2001 a Space Oydessy and Jack Torrance was in The Shinning, both made by Kubrick. Next we have Eve Kendall and George Kaplan, both names in north by Northwest, played by Eva Marie Saint and Carry Grant.

If you had bothered to even Google this, I know that Goolge is evil and part of the Bilderburg lot but, you would have found out this is a joke.

As for people giving so called evidence on screen, well it can happen you know, Mick Jagger once said the Ruttles were bigger than the Stones. they did it because they were paid to and it is obviously a joke. I have watched it all of it not just a edited copy, it is all over Youtube, maybe you should try there.

You come on here and tell us all what to believe and where to read about the 'truth' on the net, but when we clearly debunk the rubbish we get regarding conspiracy, you conveniently ignore anything that does not fit into your little world, one that says the governments are out to get us all and anything major historic that happened never did. God and to think you call us Sheeple... its hilarious.

Not that long ago we were being warned of a worldwide financial meltdown involving Ameros by Christmas 2009....remember?

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I have now read
Dark Side of the Moon (documentary) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

but it just goes to show how devious governments can and do play mind tricks, even to the extent of producing mockumentaries which reveal facts as jokes.

The oft used phrase ' in plain sight' comes to mind.

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By the way, if you are so sure of your 'truth' and 'Hard Evidence' why don't you go and visit the Kennedy Space Centre in Florida, there you can compare the stuff NASA has and even get to ask a Astronaut about it, they have one everyday at 10.00 and 15.00. I met Eugene Cernan, the last man to walk on the moon, there and it was one of life honours to shake hands with him. I am sure they will listen you your arguments you put forth and offer some of their own.

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I was not overwhelmed by George Formby - hero worship is not my scene:rolleyes:

(post #58 Well - I shook hands with George Formby and I still can't play a ukulele)

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Okay, no hard feelings Margaret, the moon landings and space exploration is a passion of mine, I suppose by being a Pilot I can nearly reach that.

Till next time......with good humour I hope, Take care
BG


too young for George Formby, more of a Pink Floyd type:mosher::D:D

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It seems that us 'doubters' have some eminent company

From - My Life by Bill Clinton published in 2004

(he was describing a conversation he had with a carpenter aged 77 in Hot Springs)
page 186-
"Just a month before, Apollo II astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong had left their colleague, Michael Collins, aboard spaceship Columbia and walked on the moon, beating by five months President Kennedy's goal of putting a man on the moon before the decade was out. The old carpenter asked me if I really believed it had happened. I said sure. I saw it on television. He disagreed, he said that he didn't believe it for a minute, that "them television fellars"could make things look real that weren't. Back then, I thought he was a crank. During my eight years in Washington, I saw some things on TV that made me wonder if he wasn't ahead of his time" (my emphasis)

...was that a hint of his doubts, or wasn't it?

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What if they went to the moon and faked some of the photos to make them look better than what they were as the camera's they had wouldn't take the photos that they came down with?

:egged: Cracked?