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Patients should pay £20 to see their GP if NHS is to survive, says think-tank | Mail Online
Can't think that this would go down very well, me thinks the think tank needs to think again. It maybe a start if foreign nationals were charged for treatment they receive, if they ain't paid in they play for treatment

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As a free market economist Conservative I'd have thought you'd have supported the idea?

After all the Conservatives had been quite happy for all medical care to be paid for, by those who could afford it, until Labour created the National Health Service after the war.

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I thought you'd moved on Rindi or are you still clutchng at straws from the pre war days:rolleyes:

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Labour created the N.H.S. post war, which is in living memory for a lot of people, even those born before 1948.;)

If it was down to the Conservatives we'd still be in the position of paying for all medical care, if and when we could afford it.

You'll be saying next you support the various education bills Labour introduced to ensure free education for all, instead of sending them into the mill at ten. Decades of Conservative governments were more than happy to have an education sysytem that was available only for those who could afford it.

The past has a very real impact on the present

Let's not forget that even yesterday is 'history' today.

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now that you simply can't say and I hope you acknowledge it Rindy. No one can say where and when would have introduced something if it hadn't been done by someone earlier.


To claim otherwise is simply lies and conjecture

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it would cost me a fortune if i had to pay £20 every time i had to see my doctor ... im there more often than not at least once a month ..

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Prior to the formation of the N.H.S successive Conservative governments were quite happy with the status quo, i.e. paying for all medical treatment when it was needed, and if you could afford it.

There was never a Conservative policy to introduce a nationalised health service, indeed many opposed the idea at the time as socialist madness.

Fact.

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I believe everybody should have access to treatment. Good health gives a quality of life. Ideals do however need to be paid for, and run effectively. As we saw at the end of the last Labour government the country could barely afford to run these essential services. We are seeing the same again at the tail end of this government. Although I thank Labour for introducing the NHS some 61 years ago, they are economically incompetent which threatens the institution itself, something for which I do not thank them.

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Something you couldn't have done if it was down to the successive Conservative governments, prior to the formation of the N.H.S., because we still wouldn't have one now.

We'd be like America, where you get treatment if you can afford it, or if you're in the position to pay for health insurance.

I know personally people in the U.S.A. who aren't able to get the drugs they need for serious degenerative neuroligical diseases because they can't afford them, or their insurance companies, whose primary motive is of course profit, have found a clause which stops them funding certain treatments.

Happily a situation we don't have in this country, thanks to the unique nationalised health service we have, devised and created by a Labour government.

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You still seam to be missing the point. The conservatives of5, 10, 20 and 30 years ago are all different and had different views to those of 60 odd years ago. The simply huge difference in the way we have lived over that time frame shows that. To say that non of them would have 'suggested' an NHS system is something you simply can't say one way or another based on their views back then.

Social care is important, The NHS is a fine ideal but the current situation under Labour is a huge joke. more and more money being thrown at it and the layers of incompetent management making stupid decisions eating it up.

shall we start talking about teh postcode lottery this goverment allows to happen then?

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Unfortunately we do have that situation in this country with some drugs not being given because they are deemed to expensive. Like everything else in this country our NHS is being abused by people simply coming here because they know treatment is free. And I am not talking about people living here either, some people come here on "holiday" with the intention of getting treatment. Of course they are supposed to pay for it but when released from hospital they simply dissappear off the radar. It wouldn't happen in other countries but as usual our system suffers abuse.

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Nowhere have I said anything to contradict that statement.

I merely pointed out that prior to 1948 successive Conservative governments had every opportunity to introduce the nationalised health system we still have to day. Being opposed to all nationalisation, they chose not to, with many opposing it's eventual introduction in the forties.

Fact, and you can't argue with those, no matter how woefully you try.;)

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I quite agree, there is a massive need for a radical overhaul of the N.H.S.

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I have been lucky to have suffered no illness in my life so far and hope i make it to the end before charges come in but there are charges around today, its not everything that you get fully without charge even if your on the dole. Will we be able to reduce our N.I contributions?, probably not. Could we have it set on a limit for the year per person and roll it over indefinately if you didnt use it, i read somewhere we pay over £3400 a year for each working person into the National Health fund and by now i could afford some of the more expensive treatments.

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I haven't. what I have argued against is your statement that no future Tory goverment would have introduced it. you simply can't say either way.

You are not party to the discussion or internal politics that would or could have taken place. Once somthing is formed who can ever say that if it hadn't at that point then it would never have existed at all.

You are free to castigate all Tory ( and Labour goverments equally!) up to that point but nothing after.

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not really history since the 40s have shown what callous uncaring pigs the torys are, to even suggest they may have introduced it is numb to put it mildly, though not n unexpected comment.:rolleyes:

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I hope not .. because what would happen if you went over the limit .. i had 3 ambulances here last sunday .. how much would that cost .. then my prescriptions i get every month, visits to the neurologist and my doctors, visits to casualty .. so far this year ive had 3 trips in ambulances, 4 visits to casualty, about 10 visits to the docs, 1 visit to the neurologist, 2 emergency visits to the dentist, ... what would all that come to ...

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If you were a horse Jen we would just shoot you and save the money :p:p :D:D:D

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you wouldnt ... you all love me too much!!!!:D:D:D

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Hey Neil don't you be giving Spugs ideas:D

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OI you .. that is giving him ideas .. but nah he wouldnt shoot me .. :D

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I agree with Jaysay and Bernadette, at the expense of sounding racist again, if the free health care was for people within the tax system, and not available to all, it would make a huge difference, if you go on holiday to another country, you take health insurance, or suffer the consequences. I also do not think the tories would ever have introduced free health care, and agree that Labour have (since the tories were last in power) continued to ruin the NHS, again because they neglected to change things that the tories had put in place, as with many things. Labour have been utter rubbish, but I still wouldnt have the tories back, I remember what happened last time they were here.

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There is nothing racist about it Derek it is true that people come to this country on so called holidays because they know that health care is free. I don't know if you saw the TV programme about it a while back but it was shown to be a very big problem. The patients signed forms to say they would pay the money back and then most of them just dissappeared. Now I don't know how it works in other countries but people have to pay for their treatment if they have no travel insurance. How is it that it works everywhere but here?

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I prefer to deal in facts.


It is a fact that prior to 1948 Conservative governments had no policies that would have ended paying for medical treatments, and facilitating the creation of a nationalised health service


Fact.


The Conservative government have never supported nationalisation as a concept.


Fact.


Indeed they've carried out policies to denationalise all they could.


Fact.

As to what I am party too, I've never posted about what I spoke to Thatcher about when I dined with her, or might also have been privy to at subsequent dinners, with other influential Tories at the Carlton Club.

Fact.

;)

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Unfortunately derek every Labour Government has made pigs ear of running the country, this one more than any, they promised the earth then as was predicted they screwed up big time, like they always do, but this time its a complete nightmare, we will be saddled with debt for generations, and we have a Prime Minister and cabinet in total denial

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You might like to add that most of them seem to be Scottish, many who seem to think that William Wallace is alive and well, locked in the Tower of London, and still hating the English!

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OMG you didn't, did you?
Somehow I don't think Thatchers pillow talk would be that interesting. Then again if she got her Trident out you may have had fun :rolleyes::D:D

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you do live in a dream Jaysay...this is what I would call making a "pigs ear" out of running this country...3.5 million unemployed... patients dying on beds in hospital corridors..people only allowed to work 3 days a week...power cuts..Thatcher telling peolpe to use 7 inches of water to have a bath and use candles...riots on the streets..I could fill the page
ah the good old days!

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to be fair teh riots on the streets were mainly over poll tax in london.

it may have been a violent reaction but the good chaps rioting on our behalf had teh decency to take the riots right onto the bitches doorstep :)

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That wasn't a riot, they didn't even stop me getting the bus home from work that day.

Toxteth, Brixton, St.Pauls in Bristol, they were your proper riots.

The country went blue.

As blue as the smoke from the burning buildings.

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The majority of which were the results of a disastrous economy happening the last time we had a Labour government and in fact half of what you mention was already happening before Thatcher came to office. I know it's convenient of you to forget this small fact when you can have a go at a lady you despise for not being a socialist. :rolleyes:

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The 3 day week was under Edward Heath as were the power cuts.. Thatcher was in that cabinet when she advised people to use 7 inches of water to bath..she also as education secretary ended free milk to youngsters from less well off families at school...the 3.5 million unemployed was under a Thatcher Government..as was the times when people died on trollies in NHS corridoors for lack of funds..massive riots that this country had not seen even in the civil war..all under Tory rule.. not just Thatcher.
And you expect everyone to forgive and let your Eton bum chums get power?

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err, how many unemployed now? How many more losing jobs day by day?

Swine flu being mismanaged because they can't plan properly, information and guidance turning arse about face quicker than pints being drunk at an accyweb meet

Hospitals costing more and more than ever

Country itself in financial ruin

Personal debt encouraged by this goverment to a point of almost impossibly thought of record highs

reposessions increasing left right and centre

Billions spent on wars that the majority of this country don't agree with

complete loss of control on immigration

I too can go on filling pages and pages Mancie......

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I'll take that on
hospitals costing more.. of course they cost money if you want to care for the sick and old in this country.. and one day even though you are Supermans brother you will need it
personal debt? that is how your make your living being a banker... you would have to go back to serving up ****e ..you being a trained chef
loss of control on immigration?... you make a living out of immagrants..

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Who's fault was that? The NUM (the elite at the top of course, not the hard workers) who didn't care about the countries interest and inflation when demanding higher wages. It was Wilson that started the ball rolling on cutting free milk. It's handy to ignore that under this government we have the fastest rising unemployment. The fact is that every single Labour government in history has left office with unemployment higher than when they went in. They might pretend to be for the workers, but they can't back it up with economic competence.

I can't pretend that Thatcher did everything right. She did do a lot for this country given the circumstances she inherited. Which is more can be said for this lot, who inherited one of the best foundations any incoming government has. The question is; given this inheritance and 12 years of office, why has Labour squandered their chances to fix things that still needed fixing?

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Still living in 1978/9 Mancie:rolleyes:

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Well we can't even call you one of them Mancie you'd no doubt mess that up to:rolleyes:

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Failed asylum seekers to get free care from cash strapped NHS to protect their human rights | Mail Online
Screw seven ways to breakfast:(

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Folks here are arguing between left and right when in fact
THEY BOTH ARE USING THE SAME AGENDA designed by the Bilderburg Group,
which is 'divide and rule', 'cause a problem then they will accept any solution'
.....which all leads to the New World Order FASCISM

When you vote for the lesser of two evils - it is still evil