Free parking at Supermarkets to be scrapped
 

Free parking at supermarkets, garden centres and DIY stores is to be scrapped under a Conservative government ...David Cameron claims it would help the environment because shoppers would ditch their car and use public transport.
I was wondering when Cameron last lugged loads of shopping bags on the bus back to his house :D...
link ...Now Tories want us to pay for parking at the supermarket| News | This is London

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snatching defeat from the jaws of victory:D:D:confused: is this him saying hes not ready yet:D

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The best bit "The idea is the latest policy to emerge from the Tories' Quality of Life group, headed by millionaire eco-warrior Zac Goldsmith and former Environment Secretary John Gummer.
John Gummer...he's back...the bloke who shoved a beefburger into his 5yr old daughters gob claiming there was no such thing as BSE in beef... the man should be in prison yet he is a policy maker for the next Tory Government.

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hope thats the case, but ya aint taking into account how many thickos have the vote.:rolleyes: plus how many labour voters are that brassed off they wont.

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Well it shows how dumb he is because peopel will just park on the roads unless they put yellow lines all around teh surrpounding areas

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i wonder what the tory stalwarts on accyweb think of this wonderful idea?:rolleyes:

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I reckon some will be calling headquaters to verify..and the teaboy will respond with when he gets the nod:D

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Probably think it's a jolly good idea.

It's got to be, if it's offical party line.

Though their opinion may be swayed because most of them aren't allowed to drive because of them being 'a bit slow', which affects reaction times etc.

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but surely their caring party will issue them with carers and blue disabled badges so they can park for free lol

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Maybe.

They might even give them 'special' cars, that have been 'specially' adapted to run on cheap 'special' fuel, which allows them to do 500 miles per gallon.

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Are you lot being got at by the Guru Dingle.........Alister?

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Cor blimey guv'nor, your honest to goodness working class, blinding loyal, Tory foot solidiers.

God bless 'em.

Raising money, licking envelopes, doffing their caps to their betters, and those higher up in the party hierarchy.

Ya gotta love 'em.

Well, just as soon as you've finished laughing at 'em.

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Can't see where it's Conservative party policy. If it was I wouldn't agree with it. To me it looks like a report to the Conservatives (from 2007) which I assume has been rejected.

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'Mr Cameron gave his clear backing to the report in a speech.'

Now Tories want us to pay for parking at the supermarket| News | This is London

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2 years ago he passed comment on it? I am sure we can fid equally 'silly' suggestions knocking around Labour back benchers/ministers opinions if I could be bothered to look. As it is I'll look forward not back and see what policies that are part of teh manifestos that we will actually be voting on.

I too wouldn't agree and not for any selfish reasons. some people do need transport to shop however it would push a lot more to do online shopping which is much more environmentally friendly ( 1 van delivering 20 peoples in a 10 mile journey as opposed to 20 cars making a 4 mile round trip each. )

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We have lost to much of our communities already, with everyone online shopping would we ever leave the home?
Going shopping is the only exercise some people get

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Yes the report said some good things over all. Nowhere does it say this particular aspect of it will become policy. ;)

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Not that I agree with the proposals, but I would argue we have fostered quite a good online community. :D

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This is another piece of old news:-
Parking-space tax will raise cost of driving to the office by £350 a year - Times Online

I don't know if it was actually enforced but it seems just as bad a piece of policy as the one under discussion in this thread, so does this mean that both parties are as bad or as good as each other?

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Just shows how desperate the left have become to score points, if only they try telling the people who their candidates are at local elections:rolleyes:

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You beat me to it Less and I suppose that the congestion charges introduced by Red Ken was missed by Mancie must still have his rose tinted specs on:rolleyes:

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He didn't just pass comment on it, it's reported David Cameron gave a speech fully backing his little chum Goldsmith Jr.'s ideas.

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When did any of the Tories carry 6 or 7 6feet planks of wood on a bus? Stupid people.

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It appears that when a Tory makes a speech its seen as party policy, lets see whats in the manifesto before you start foaming at the mouth, your getting as bad as Mancie, errrr well, maybe no not quite that bad:rolleyes:

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If anybody tried to carry 6ft planks of wood on a bus they'd need certifying anyway

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Which could be another reason why some people never leave their home.

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Not quite 'never' but not often - have to have haircuts and toenails clipped:)

I go for short strolls in the fields and woods on fine days and sit in a lounge chair on the lawns, admiring the views of the moors, and watch the birds.

I find that urban areas are so polluted and noisy that this 'semi seclusion' gives a great feeling of calm and peace of mind.

This is opting out of the ratrace. I recommend it if you don't need to work to survive.

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I don't need a reason, I ain't got an option:rolleyes:

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Suspect this will never get off the ground due to it not being very popular .. summat will have to be done eventually and whatever scheme will prove unacceptable to the majority of motorists.

Asked me oracle, involved in transport, his views, answered as follows :

'It will generate some public and corporate opposition - it does seem
like a significant vote loser. However, it would be easy to implement
because it is supported (in general) by planning policy.

My view is that the larger 'out-of-town' supermarkets do have a role in
retail provision but they do so at the expense of the town centres that
we all aspire to be attached to - look at the aspirations for Accrington
'floral market town'. The town centre used to be the place to conduct
the 'linked trip' (ie. the trip where you would do a number of
different things - visit the post office, greengrocers, bank etc all in
one go) but access to the car, plus restrictions on accessing town
centres (car parking charges, congestion, pedestrianisation etc), have
meant that visiting Tesco, Sainsbury, Aldi, Waitrose is a more
convenient option. The consequence of this shift to retail shopping at
large-shed supermarkets is the closure of the previously vital town
centre shops. The issue is not just related to economic competition but
also to other environmental factors, of which, access to parking has
become a vital consideration.

From a purely fiscal perspective, the use of land for car parking is
terribly inefficient. The council make no money from free car parking.
Flat, surface car parking (opposed to multi-storey) represents a
terrible waste of potential development land. If a developer builds
flats, the council makes money through council tax. If the developer
builds business units, the council makes money through business rates.
If the developer builds car parking, the council (if it doesn't own the
car parking) actually incurs a net loss because they have to service
access to the car parking (access roads, drainage etc).

I guess people don't consider the wider impacts of their individual
behaviour. Introducing car parking charges at out-of-town supermarkets
is just one mechanism that can be employed to re-focus development
activity back into town centres. The alternative is we end up like
America - no town centres and just a maze of Walmarts connected by
five-lane highways and no footways.'

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Is that the best you can do Mancie.......next I will be called a Tory scum, or similar, just shows what a decent person you really are. :D

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ANy supermarket that has to charge for parking is going to lose a lot of custom & as such will keep parking free, if the government make a law about it then the supermarkets will pay it themselves.

IMO.

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Since these supermarkets are out to make a profit, for their owners and shareholders, i.e. the disgraced Dame Shirley Porter, ex-leader of Conservative Westminster Council, who is sunning herself in Tel Aviv whilst the profits roll in from her little shop,Tesco, any costs will be put onto the goods instore, and the customer will be paying.

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I doubt it Mattylad, think shoppers will still not break the now established habit of going to the supermarket. Would pay what I suspect would be a minimal charge, which would probably undercut charges on a town car park (OK ... know Hyndburn don't charge).

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I don't know what Accrington stores' arrangements are but Warrington has Sainsburys and Tesco with free car parks up to a point. Sainsburys gives you 3 hours free but then charges - and they do employ their own traffic warden who checks. Tesco was the same but has shortened the time and is losing trade a bit but their car park is owned by the Rugby Stadium. There's an Asda but it's in a mall and there's also another, very big, mall. You have to pay in their car parks. All the far-out-of-town stores are free parking.

We've always had free parking here in Lymm until this month when the car park in the village centre has gone to pay-and-display, first 2 hours free. We actually welcomed it as the car park was being taken up by people who work in the village, parking all day.

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Don't have free parking at Sainbury's in Lancaster anyway after the first half an hour. Most people do use the buses in Lancaster though, and a lot more use of bikes that at home as well.

I think it's a good idea. I think car owners should be taxed according to how much they use their cars anyway though, which would be a much more general way of doing what he has proposed.

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The biggest load of crap i have ever heard from that gob****e!!, like we are gonna lug bags on buses or get taxi!!, why do you think we have cars in the first place?, just for bloody fancy!!?

two words to cameron F___ O__!!

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I think there are rules on this forum about blanking out swearing that have been repeated time and time again for the benefit of people who seem to be incapable of learning simple rules the first time around.

The point is pretty simple of what he is saying. The country is only permitted to have certain levels of carbon emissions, and these are slowly but surely being decreased in order to protect our environment and you could even argue that this is also trying to make people more active and healthy by being more active to do the things they want to do.

I'm sure it wouldn't kill people to get a bus to the supermarket. Plenty of people have to do a lot more just for the basic necessities in life like water.

You don't have to be posh to be privileged ;) maybe some people need their luxuries stripped away a bit just to remind them exactly how fortunate they actually are.

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oops sorry, must not offend ya must we:rolleyes:

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It's not about being offensive, it's a family forum and those are the rules that you agree to when you sign up. I don't see why anyone thinks they should be above them.

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yeh yeh

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Good idea, we could call it a fuel duty.

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I go on the bus to do my shopping all the time as i dont drive ... including getting all the big stuff ... ok theres only me .. im not buying for a family .. thing is i dont buy all my stuff in one go ...i go to accy, i go to haslingden, go to rawtenstall .. i just pick it up when i need it. So if they do bring it in .. and then the prices go up .. i will be subsidising all of the car owners .. even though i go on foot and public transport.

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Lol, is fuel duty having much of an impact though. I think because the tax is associated with fuel rather than something more blatant than distances then it becomes less of an issue for people and they'll still use their cars just as much.

I mean, public transport is pretty expensive anyway when you think about it, so unless fuel duty is significantly more expensive than the cost (both of time as well as the fuel, maintenance etc) to the public then they'll continue to use their cars regardless.

I don't know the figures for things like fuel, it's not something I'm that interested in.

What I am more than aware of though is that there are plenty of people in the world that act like they would be incapacitated without their cars, when there are in actual fact plenty of people who cope fine by using the buses to do their shopping or go to work. Thousands and thousands of students and elderly people do it every day who can't afford to run cars.

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Also, this is a handy website for car owners whilst we are on the topic :p

Free UK fuel prices. 9,530 petrol stations covered - PetrolPrices.com

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Don't think it's suggested that you cannot take your car Panther, just pay for the privelege of parking up where you shop. We are used to (mostly) having this free at supermarkets and that is why we are aghast at the suggestion. Not everyone, goes for a huge shop all the time, and a car park fee may deter them from taking their car and on to the bus or shop more locally, or, at best, shop in their town centre.

Could be an extremely expensive way to implement this idea, as would need some sort of technology to link up with the DVLA to check your yearly mileage. Lots of people would complain was interfering with their Human Rights.:rolleyes:

Suppose, in a way, we are taxed like this anyway, due to the fact that motorists who do lots of mileage per year, usually have larger cars and taxed on its car emmisions. Was surprised yesterday, talking to a neighbour who works on the motorways, that he uses his little Smart car for travelling to and fro, tax is only £35 per year !

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Technology like this in cars is probably going to be fully implemented by 2015 anyway. All technology is advancing and soon enough we will see computers more readily available for everyone, simply because the government wants to use it more and more to track us.

As for the laws relating to it, that's all likely to be reformed soon enough as well. Data protection will be the first to go. I'm looking forward to new technology. I'm fortunate enough to get to work on the papers which will be put before European Parliamentarians who will have to decide how to advance such things. Lucky me :D

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Suppose you are correct about technology, but it really wouldn't be very fair to charge people on their mileage as, at the moment, is all about environment and car emissions, and I suppose someone in a Smart car, could easily do 30,000 per year, but with lesser emissions than a 2-litre BMW. However, suppose you could argue are wearing the roads away too. All factors would have to be taken into consideration.

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err drivers already pay a thing called road tax infact we also pay tax on our fuel and tax on our insurance

maybe to raise extra cash cyclists should have to pay road tax and be insured to be allowed on the roads:)

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I was thinking of you but I am far to polite to mention you by name.
I had to laugh when you mentioned "the ratrace", Ossy is so laid back I am surprised it has not fallen into Tinker Brook yet :D:D

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We are actually quite lucky in Hyndburn we have free town centre parking and supermarkets don't charge, but in some places especially Morrisons, you can park on their car park free so long has you show a till receipt from the store on exiting

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Why bother with charging in the first place? Surely the simple solution is to shut down supermarket car parks completely so if people do have to use these places then at least they can get some exercise and lose some fat as they cart their bag loads of junk food back home.

The ASDA carpark would make an ideal location for the new Accy Super Mosque. The Mohammedians would be happy, the small shopkeepers and market stall holders would be happy, the NHS would be happy and I would be happy.

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I have just had another FREE delivery -
no petrol used,
no parking fee paid,
and no hassle in a queue at checkout

smug *barsteward* aren't I?:D

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No Margaret, just sensible:D

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disgraced and a criminal on the run.. she was charged with vote rigging by making payments to non Tory voters to leave her council and owes millions..but it's not something the media under Tory pressure like to print..she was made a "Dame" by her good friend "Dame Magaret Thatcher"
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I think cyclists should have to be insured, but road tax would be ridiculous considering the lack of wear and tear a bicycle has on a road and the lack of need for parking, or certainly much space to part.

I see little point in trying to justify the use of cars to a student who can't afford one and HAS to take the bus along with thousands of others, particularly one whose family doesn't own a single car at all or have a licence between them.

Most people don't even need to leave the house these days for grocery shopping when there is such thing as online shopping with quite low cost delivery, if not free when you spend over a certain amount.

I think people just don't like cutting back on their luxuries. Having never driven, I simply can't appreciate all this fuss. The bus is not above me, and neither is walking. Lots of students have those shopping bags on wheels here! I love living in a city where the Green Party has real influence.

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Baroness Thatcher if you please Mancie:D:p

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road tax dosnt actually go towards the repair of roads its just a name , i thought road tax was a tax paid to maintain roads for years but as it turns out its just a name so it dosnt matter how much wear and tear a vehicle causes to roads

i dont think it would be pheasable anyway but i do think cyclists especially adults should have to pay an insurance premium because if one hits a car or causes an accident the poor victim ends up suffering at their own expense because theres no real resource to get dammage repaired unless you can sue te cycleist but lets face it that is unlikly to result in anything but been paid say £1000 damages over a life time at £1 per week or somthing

another arument though regarding road tax could be that they get special areas at junctions assigned to them and have cycle lanes and these arnt made for free by the road painting fairys so why should they be on the roads for free when cars and motorcycles cant.If cow flatulance can be blamed for damaging the ozone layer im pretty sure its safe to say cycleists arnt exactly %100 emission free :D

mobility scooters shoudlnt be allowed on the road either unless fully insured as theres some crazy old people or exceptionaly fat people drive them things like lunartics lol


have i left anyone out i would hate to think there was someone left un-offended lol :D

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I think that just about covers everybody
but if I was a road painting gnome, I would object to the fairies getting all the credit.

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dunno why im laughing coz tehy exist :D

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Q2sCV0xxu8...Road+Gnome.jpg

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How about this then - ONE of these fairies was real

YouTube - The Cottingley Fairies - The Proof That The Photos Captured Fairies.

...there are just too many strange unexplained happenings.
...keep an open mind

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See they've let you out again accyman:D

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Some of the warm up comedians, or the blind party faithful, already have many people rolling in the aisles.