Banned, the police Union Flag badge that backs our troops
 

Time for this country to stand up for what is right . This is appaulling.

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Can't agree more cherokee, is it any wonder the BNP are gaining so much support:(

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I agree that they should not be allowed to wear any badges at all. They should only be allowed to wear the official uniform while on duty.

For me it is not about just this one badge that they should not be allowed to wear but any badge.

If badges were allowed they might start wearing football club badges or Blue Peter badges.

So my question is "Are all non Police issue badges banned from being worn or just this one?"

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I agree Neil, we dont want them becoming advertising boards or wearing anything which may affend some sections of society, its bad enough with the Freemason regalia.

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As i have said before, we are no longer a BRITISH country. How the Union flag offend the British?

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Quite right, how dare they display our national flag? Absolutely disgusting! :rolleyes:

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Incidentally, it's worth clicking on the link again. According to the Mail, the authorities have backed down and officers WILL be allowed to wear the badge, after all. Common sense prevails! :)

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Wasn't it Rochdale that banned Union Flags on Taxis?

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No law has been passed making the Union Flag the national flag of the United Kingdom: it has become one through precedent. Its first recorded recognition as a national flag came in 1908, when it was stated in Parliament that "the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag". A more categorical statement was made by the Home Secretary, Sir John Gilmour, in 1933 when he stated that "the Union Jack is the National Flag". But it is still officially a flag of the monarch, rather than the country.
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I took this photo at The Haslingden Remembrance Parade

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cant fly a union jack or saint georges flag in the UK but get a pakistani mayor in and he sticks a pakistani flag on top of our town hall

infact i dont think he was pakistani i think he was born in the UK so why the hell there was a pakistani flag up there i have no idea :rolleyes:

taxis driving around with support saddam plastered in the windows and the iraqi flag

dare to fly your countries flag in your OWN country and your offending someone or been a racist

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They're not taking any notice of you, Wyn :rolleyes::o

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i saw teh new story but backing down dosnt excuse the whole thing happening,it should never have been an issue in the first place :)

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I know, Shakey, I'm used to it now! ;)

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I still say they should not be allowed to wear anything except the official Police issue uniform

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A Rememberance Day poppy isn't offical uniform, but they're allowed to wear them.;)


I'm glad they've changed their mind, and shown common sense...for once.

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Agree with this 110% .... whoever thought of making it an issue is either very insensitive, or has the IQ of a salad bar ... probabably both. KPD's cruisers all have "Support Our Troops/Appuyons nos troupes" stickers on them, as do the fire trucks. I have noticed that many local coppers wear badges showing that they support the troops. And, as an aside, Queen's has joined a long list of Universities offering free university education to any children of fallen soldiers .... shlt, it's the least they can do. And many local businesses give discounts to members of the military.

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With all that protective/offensive/technological gear that police officers have arranged about their person nowadays, I am surprised that anyone noticed a small badge.

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[quote=MargaretR;732002]With all that protective/offensive/technological gear that police officers have arranged about their person nowadays.

Seems that you have taken this subject on board with a vengance?
You and I and many others on this forum do not confront the police in their duty to protect the citizen.
A bomb went of in Spain today injuring 50 people, without warning and aimed at the polce and thier families....Who gives a toss if some yupee or protester with nothing better to do, after a warning, decides to take on the police. I fail to see where you are coming from with offensive?

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Oh for the days when the good old British Bobby carried nothing more than a whistle, a billy club, and an accurate watch, just in case someone should ask him the time.:rolleyes:

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No mounties in Ossy Eric....times change.
These lads are under contant threat, not from old ladies, who think they are always right but real villans.

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Well the 2 I have been talking to tonight do not feel under constant threat when out and about in Ossy. In fact one said it was a much better place to work than Blackburn.

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Mounties have changed .... now they taser Polish immigrants to death at Vancouver airport. But they still have the Musical Ride:D, and they look good on State occasions.

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And, as an aside, Queen's has joined a long list of Universities offering free university education to any children of fallen soldiers .... shlt, it's the least they can do. And many local businesses give discounts to members of the military."
Some years ago I suggested that people leaving the armed forces should be offered a chance to go to University or vocational training of their choice as a "Thank You"
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There have been things like the GI Bill in England ... particularly after the First World War .... remember reading something about it in Robert Graves, "Goodbye to All That." Have to do a little research on that one ... maybe demain. I do know that after WWl, returning veterans could get a quarter section of farmland for nothing in Western Canada ... a lot of today's farms out there still have this veterans' 160 acres at their core ... but I would like to see something on the line of the GI Bill in this country, for the vets of Afghanistan. Oooops ... wandering off topic.

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Iagree with what vera,has wrote,that we are not british any more and the others are running us.

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I do agree with you here Neil ... uniform discipline is the first discipline in any force and should be adhered to, no matter what the cause. Nobody understands this better than our armed forces ... zero tolerance, that is why our soldiers are the best in the world. Should start early on with school uniforms, etc. Not even going to go into the issues of 'special' jewellery worn by certain religious groups .. after all, have discussed many times on here.

Would just REALLY love to know ... what type of 'person' objected to the Union Jack (or was it the support for our armed forces ?) !!!!:mad:

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I can't bring myself to agree with the "uniform discipline" argument. It's not like they were wearing hallow'een costumes. And whether or not people like the coppers, one can argue that their job gives them a form of kinship with the troops. If for some reason I get rowdy on the street this weekend (oh, for the days:D), and some hefty patrol copper stuffs me into the back seat of his cruiser, does it really affect his efficiency or his performance of his duty if he is wearing a badge to show his support for the troops? Does it matter that his cruiser has stickers on it saying "Support Our Troops/Appuyons nos troupes? Even saw a fire truck with a sticker on saying: "If you don't wish to stand behind the troops, feel free to stand in front of them." Banning anyone, in any job from wearing tokens of support for the troops is an insult to the brave men and women toughing it out at the sharp end.

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We will have to agree to disagree Eric .. will not be persuaded otherwise on my opinion that you may feel that discipline in a uniform is not that important .. to me it is the whole start of training, and leads on to the same attitude in the more important aspects of their job. Of course it will make an efficiency difference how they will develope, and on their performance if rules are bent on the first rung of the ladder. Just like we ought to have zero tolerance in our towns starting with litter and dog pooh.

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What the hell's "litter and dog pooh" got to do with it? They're offensive substances anyway - hardly comparable to a simple badge.

We're not talking here about police personnel wearing political or religious symbols. They're simply displaying the national flag of the country we live in which crosses all political and religious lines, combined with a gesture of support for the brave lads and lasses who risk their lives to protect ALL of us, whatever our creed or political persuasion.

As for the type of person who objected to the badge, I would imagine it was someone who had a totally pedantic approach to "uniform discipline". :rolleyes:

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I'll go for zero tolerance for the Taliban ... then we can go to work on the badges and the dog shlt and the garbage.

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Maybe the guy had trouble with his potty training:rolleyes::D

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You're obviously missing my point completely and twisting my words to make it look like I would not support our soldiers in anyway .. which is totally untrue. Sure any of our soldiers who have to lick and polish their boots so that they can see their reflection, will understand completely what I was trying to say.

Just that discipline starts at small beginnings to carry on to emerge into a competent, efficient and well-disciplined soldier, giving them the best chance of survival in action .. again that is why we have the best armed forces.

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I don't think I'm twisting your words; and definitely not questioning your support of the British troops in Afghanistan .... I think that there are things more important than spit and polish ... and morale is right up there. I believe that knowing they are supported is a big morale booster for the troops. The public display of tokens of support is important. And if it doesn't affect the efficiency of the police, I can't see why there is a problem. And we are not talking about the troops wearing badges .... I assume British troops in Afghanistan wear their national flag or symbol ... Canadian troops wear the maple leaf ... doesn't seem to adversely affect their fighting qualities.

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As stated earlier, the police are allowed to wear poppies, and they aren't standard issue as part of their uniform.

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Just came across this, whilst looking at patriotic tattoos, and it made me laugh.

I think she's holding her St. George's cross knickers in her hand.:D

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...es-in--001.jpg

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They look more like WWll utility panti .... sorry, knickers, to me ... you know the kind: one yank and they're off.

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or they could even be "Tate @Lyle" suger-bag knickers.:D

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No, your missing MY point. I agree that it wouldn't be right for police personnel to wear badges supporting political parties, religious groups, or any other organisation from the Freemasons to the Elvis Presley Fan Club. However, we're talking here about a badge containing two elements which transcend mere divisions of politics, religion, beliefs or taste - two elements which are woven into the very fabric of our national life. Firstly, our national flag, which I've seen serving soldiers wearing on their uniforms as woven patches anyway. And secondly a gesture of support for those who put their lives on the line to protect us - not support for individual wars - but support for the defenders of our nation as a whole. As Gary says, a precedent has already been established for this by policemen wearing poppies.

As for whether soldiers would understand your point of view, I couldn't really say. However, faced with a choice between small-minded, petty pedantry and a gesture of support from the folks back home, I can hazard a guess... :rolleyes:

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Agree with everything you've said Wynonie, the problem we have in this country is we have too many people who think the Unon Jack as a nono in case it offends other nationalities, my answer to them is:thefinger without the smile

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I agree that all this banning of flags and national symbols is ludicrous.. but I would ask who are the ones implementing these bans ?...I don't recognise the so called "PC brigade" and never seen any evidence of it's existence...it's all rubbish souped up by the media.

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Well, must learn to express myself better, apologies if I appear to have offended anyone on this issue.:o

Daft thing is .. has been allowed, so was a non story really.

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Which people are offended..who are you talking about? I don't know of anyone in everyday life that has stated they are offended by the Union Jack, do you?.. it's all Daily Mail kak.

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You would be the first to complian if the Police started to wear "simple" KKK badges or something similar.

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Why don't our Police Officers have our National flag on their uniforms anyway?

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obviously ya aint read wyns last post.:rolleyes:

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You been on that 18% proof beer Mancie:rolleyes:

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You've still not commented on the fact that police officers are allowed to wear Royal British Legion poppies, which aren't part of standard issue uniform either.

Or do you think they should be banned too?

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who.. that you know in your everyday life has said they are offended by the Union Jack..anyone?..or do you just get your knowledge from the Daily Mail?

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Exactly, Neil, that's the whole point I was making. The police shouldn't be allowed to wear badges supporting ANY faith, creed or political belief. But wearing a badge displaying the country's national flag and supporting the country's protectors is a completely different issue.

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Which country? Not all policemen are English/British. If we allow the wearing of the Union Flag would we not then have to permit asian or peruvian officers to display the flag of their country of origin? The BNP would have a field day. I'm with Neil on this.

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So you too would ban the wearing of poppies, made by the Royal British Legion?

Something they are currently entitled to wear, despite it not being part of their standard uniform.

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By the way you have to have British citizenship to join the police force in this country.

;)

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Yes. The police aren't a military force and cannot be seen to show bias toward any section of our society. Like religion and politics the police and military shouldn't be mixed.

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Never noticed any poppies worn by the Police when they were kicking the kak out of the miners in the month of November.

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I disagree.

I don't see the wearing a poppy as being political.

Which is probably why the police are allowed to wear them, just as they are with the new emblem that this story is about.

(I bet if you asked any old miner, or anyone living in Northern Ireland, if they thought the police force was a military force, they might have a different opinion to your's.) ;)

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We shall have to agree to disagree, I'm off to the Bread Basket for a butty.:D

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Good.

Ask them when their next naturist holiday is, and do make sure they've washed their hands before they handle your baguette.

;):D

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I don't think it is different.

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Yes I do as they are not part of the uniform. If they are part of the uniform of Remembrance Sunday then that is different - are they?

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As Garinda says, you have to have adopted British nationality to join the police force. So, why should we need to allow police officers from abroad to wear the flag of their country of origin? They've come to this country, they've sworn their oath of allegiance, so they're UK citizens. You're not part of the fabled PC brigade that Mancie's searching for, are you? ;)

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Police officers are allowed to wear poppies in the weeks leading up to Rememberance Day, not just on the Rememberance Day Sunday itself, even though they aren't part of their standard uniform, nor is it compulsory for them to wear them.

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Well, I'm using a PC. The point is, if they aren't wearing badges of any kind they can't leave themselves open to criticism or accusations of bias by the said PC or any other brigade.

Much like the youths who drive round Accrington and Blackburn with huge Green and White flags flying from their vehicles when England play Pakistan at cricket.;)

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They might well do, but the point is, if any of them were serving police officers, I wouldn't expect them to see them with a Pakistani flag badge...or a Labour party badge...or a Whippet Breeders' Badge in their lapel when they were on duty. However, a badge displaying the national flag and support for those who protect the nation is a completely different matter which crosses party and religious lines.

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Or even if they wear badges with pink spots over a blue background..or badges showing pot smoking dragons breathing fire over knights in white dressing gowns.. or leapord skin badges..or badges with encrusted with diamonds from king Tut's tomb...it does not matter..I don't care even if they run about stark ball naked!...we just want the police to do thier job! ;)

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No Mancie the do gooders I refer to are the Guardian reading fascist left, that usually work in the big city town halls up and down the country, who think that being British or Britishness is a sin

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I rarely use this term, but LOL.

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the poppy isnt to show support for troops its to show thanx to the many peoples grandfathers and in more recent conflicts peoples brothers , sisters , children ,fathers and mothers for fighting or giving their lives so that these moaing idiots could come to our country and have the right to be offended,hence the name rememberance sunday .

black people have fought and died in the british army as well so i dont see how weraing a poppy shows bias to one particular section of society

if folk come here and dont liek how we do things in ths country they should sod off back to where they came from and be offended elsewhere and that also applies to those that are born here yet see their parents origional country of origin as their home country:rolleyes: