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Gayle 31-07-2009 08:13

I need a lookalike Mayor circa 1909
 
For the Coppice celebratory event I want an actor/local person, dressed as the Mayor from 1909, to walk up the hill and recreate the handing over ceremony of 1909.

So, I need help with two parts of that

1. I need to know what the Mayor of 1909 looked like in the first place
2. I need a volunteer/actor/local person to be him in the procession

If anyone knows where I can find a pic please let me know. Thanks

Mick 31-07-2009 08:15

Re: I need a lookalike Mayor circa 1909
 
Try The Library archives

Bernard Dawson 31-07-2009 09:06

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The list of the previous Mayor's Of Hyndburn,and before that Accrington Gayle are on a list in the Council Chamber.

As for the photographs I,m not sure. There are photographs of ever Mayor since 1974 in the Town Hall. Before that, I think that I've seen a book with photos of former mayor's in it.

Again it will be in the Town Hall. I'll ask about Gayle.

Royboy39 31-07-2009 09:33

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Have found photos of previous Mayors of Haslingden. The regalia appears to be the same over a long period of time without change.
May help if you cannot find a photo of Accrington Mayor?

Haslingden Old and New...

Neil 31-07-2009 09:37

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Ask Less, he is about the right age ;)

jaysay 31-07-2009 09:59

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 732330)
Ask Less, he is about the right age ;)

I don't believe you frequent the Railway at lunchtimes Neil:rolleyes:

katex 31-07-2009 10:02

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Just looking at the Jubilee book Gayle, there is a photograph of all the Mayors from 1878 > 1928... names them, but doesn't say who was the Mayor in 1909.. do you know ?

Have to go up Ossie in about 3/4 hour if you are around, can let you take a look.

garinda 31-07-2009 10:26

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Not much help, but the Mayor in 1908 was T.E. Higham, so depending on when the Mayor making ceremony was, he could still have been Mayor in 1909.

Public art collections in north-west ... - Google Books

Sorry can't find a photograph, but if he was a Higham of Higham's mill, his great grandson sat behind me at school, and he was small and blond.

:D

Less 31-07-2009 10:27

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 732330)
Ask Less, he is about the right age ;)

I'm too much of a ham actor I'd turn up and do either Quasimodo Or Richard the Third, I don't think the Council would appreciate me prancing around shouting, "Now is the Winter of our discontent".
http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-10743.gif How about Gandalf?

katex 31-07-2009 10:40

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 732352)
Not much help, but the Mayor in 1908 was T.E. Higham, so depending on when the Mayor making ceremony was, he could still have been Mayor in 1909.

Public art collections in north-west ... - Google Books

Sorry can't find a photograph, but if he was a Higham of Higham's mill, his great grandson sat behind me at school, and he was small and blond.

:D

Right Garinda ... looks like T.E. Higham was Mayor twice ... he was Mayor in 1928 (as in the middle of the photo for being Jubilee Mayor), but another photo of him as Mayor looking much younger ... that's if the Higham dynasty didn't adopt the same traditional names.

Gayle can see you not on line ... but will call anyway. Oh yes .. you are now.

Gayle 31-07-2009 10:47

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I have to go out in about 10 mins for about an hour so won't be around - sorry Kate.

katex 31-07-2009 10:50

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 732361)
I have to go out in about 10 mins for about an hour so won't be around - sorry Kate.

Ok .. I'm going now ... passing yer mums ... will call to see if she is in and leave it there ... can give it me back at the AGM Ossy Players next Tuesday.

Gayle 31-07-2009 12:30

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Well, we've got the first bit sorted. I've been sent a message from an anonymous source.

TE Higham was mayor in 1906 so the one you want is either:

T.E. Nuttall who was mayor from 9th November 1909 to 8th November 1910 or more likely.

J.C. Lupton who was mayor from 9th November 1908 to 8th November 1909.

So, it's J.C. Lupton that we want - and I've been sent a picture.

So, if anyone looks like him - the gig's yours.

Gayle 31-07-2009 12:44

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Sorry, this might be a bit better.

jaysay 31-07-2009 16:01

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 732387)
Sorry, this might be a bit better.

That pic definitely has a look of Less:D

Margaret Pilkington 31-07-2009 16:09

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Definitely Less......he will need to borrow a ferret off somebody though, to stick on his top lip....by, that is a fine moustache if ever I saw one

cashman 31-07-2009 16:22

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well i think it looks more like Jen.:help: cashy runs fer the hills.:D

Margaret Pilkington 31-07-2009 16:24

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OooooooH you Nawdy Boy!!
You'd better not let Jen catch you now Cashy.......you will be for it:D

shillelagh 31-07-2009 17:20

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 732434)
well i think it looks more like Jen.:help: cashy runs fer the hills.:D


oooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh and you expect coffee when you come up here to get oscars biscuits!!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek:

Big big trouble .... just wait!!!!!:D:D:D

garinda 31-07-2009 18:30

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 732386)
Well, we've got the first bit sorted. I've been sent a message from an anonymous source.

TE Higham was mayor in 1906

I know you've found the right Mayor now, so this is just incidental, but this is the second source that quotes T.E. Higham as being the Mayor in 1908.

'Accrington library was opened by the Mayor of Accrington, Alderman T E Higham, on 18th Jan 1908.'

lcl - - history of the library

So either L.C.C. is wrong, or your anonymous source is.

Incidentally T.E. Higham Esq. was also conducting the Accrington Choral Society in the 1890's.

On the 24th November, 1890 he conducted Madame Fanny Moody in the Town Hall..

I wonder if the show ended when Madame Fanny sang?

http://www.concertprogrammes.org.uk/...GetRecord/3805

:D

shillelagh 01-08-2009 00:10

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 732434)
well i think it looks more like Jen.:help: cashy runs fer the hills.:D


i told spug what you said .... watch out cashy .... your turn next!!!:D:D:D

cashman 01-08-2009 00:20

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 732534)
i told spug what you said .... watch out cashy .... your turn next!!!:D:D:D

Grassssser............:D

katex 01-08-2009 00:21

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 732463)
I know you've found the right Mayor now, so this is just incidental, but this is the second source that quotes T.E. Higham as being the Mayor in 1908.

'Accrington library was opened by the Mayor of Accrington, Alderman T E Higham, on 18th Jan 1908.'

lcl - - history of the library

So either L.C.C. is wrong, or your anonymous source is.


Just re-looked at the Jubilee book ... there is a list of the Mayors ... looks like T.E. Higham was Mayor 1906-07; 1907-08 .. two years on the trot. But J.C. Lupton is definitely your man Gayle.

Some I notice were Mayor three years on the trot.

garinda 01-08-2009 00:22

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 732463)
On the 24th November, 1890 he conducted Madame Fanny Moody in the Town Hall.

Madame Fanny was probably billed as 'the number one tribute act in the country' for Jenny Lind, or some other such singer.

Somethings never change around here.:D

shillelagh 01-08-2009 00:25

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 732537)
Grassssser............:D


no im not ... im a little angel ... :D:D:D:angel:

garinda 01-08-2009 00:25

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 732538)
Just re-looked at the Jubilee book ... there is a list of the Mayors ... looks like T.E. Higham was Mayor 1906-07; 1907-08 .. two years on the trot. But J.C. Lupton is definitely your man Gayle.

Some I notice were Mayor three years on the trot.

Thank you Kate.

So Mr, or Ms. Anonymous was wrong, stating he was Mayor in 1906 only.

Matter settled. :)

katex 01-08-2009 00:29

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Another thing I have just picked up from one of Bob Dobson's books is that 5,000 scholars walked up Avenue Parade to receive a medal marking this occasion in 1909 with 15,000 people witnessing the occasion. Wouldn't it be great if we could generate such interest this time.

Margaret Pilkington 01-08-2009 07:36

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Those were the days when the community had real pride in the borough Kate....and yes, it would be wonderful to re-create such pride and interest.

Neil 01-08-2009 07:41

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 732543)
Another thing I have just picked up from one of Bob Dobson's books is that 5,000 scholars walked up Avenue Parade to receive a medal marking this occasion in 1909 with 15,000 people witnessing the occasion. Wouldn't it be great if we could generate such interest this time.

You would have to put a story in the paper saying it was an outdoor meeting about cancelling all benefits for girls who had children before they were 16 to generate that amount of interest in Accy.

Bernard Dawson 01-08-2009 12:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 732538)
Just re-looked at the Jubilee book ... there is a list of the Mayors ... looks like T.E. Higham was Mayor 1906-07; 1907-08 .. two years on the trot. But J.C. Lupton is definitely your man Gayle.

Some I notice were Mayor three years on the trot.

It wasn't uncommon in those days for a Councillor to be the Mayor for more than one year.

A prerequisite of being the Mayor in those days, was that you had to have few bob. They would also never have let riff-raff like me do it those days.

You would also notice it was an all male preserve for many years.

garinda 01-08-2009 23:36

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 732543)
Another thing I have just picked up from one of Bob Dobson's books is that 5,000 scholars walked up Avenue Parade to receive a medal marking this occasion in 1909 with 15,000 people witnessing the occasion. Wouldn't it be great if we could generate such interest this time.

These were the schools that took part...

'Cambridge Street, St. Anne's, St. Mary Magdalene's, Hargreaves Street, St. Andrew's, St. Mary's Woodnook, Spring Hill, St. John's, Hyndburn Park, Benjamin Hargreaves, St. Peter's, St. Oswald's, St. John's Baxenden, Green Haworth and St. James.'

Peel Park and the Coppice - History of Peel Park and the Coppice

I wonder if anyone has a medal that's been passed down?

I've never seen one.

katex 01-08-2009 23:41

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 732715)

I wonder if anyone has a medal that's been passed down?

I've never seen one.


Nor me .. somebody must have one.

garinda 01-08-2009 23:47

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 732717)
Nor me .. somebody must have one.

You'd think with 5,000 medals issued most would still be around, and would turn up at antique fairs, or online auctions, but I've never seen a thing.

Less 02-08-2009 09:06

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 732719)
You'd think with 5,000 medals issued most would still be around, and would turn up at antique fairs, or online auctions, but I've never seen a thing.

Please Sir, I got one!

I'm sure I put a piccy on site somewhere.

Oh no, I haven't, just dug it out it's to celebrate 1878 to 1928, sorry.

Gayle 02-08-2009 09:47

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 732715)
These were the schools that took part...

'Cambridge Street, St. Anne's, St. Mary Magdalene's, Hargreaves Street, St. Andrew's, St. Mary's Woodnook, Spring Hill, St. John's, Hyndburn Park, Benjamin Hargreaves, St. Peter's, St. Oswald's, St. John's Baxenden, Green Haworth and St. James.'

Peel Park and the Coppice - History of Peel Park and the Coppice

I wonder if anyone has a medal that's been passed down?

I've never seen one.


I have invited all the schools in Accrington to take part in the procession in September - about 10 of them have got back to me. All the schools involved will be doing flags/banners, in the same way as we did them for the Oswaldtwistle War Memorial procession - it looked really good as they were walking along with them.

I haven't sent specific invites to every school in the borough but that doesn't mean they're not welcome, so if any other schools want to send representation and bring their own banner they can do.

Also, I'd like to hear from scout, brownie, girl guide, sea cadets etc - if they would like to send a representative group they are also welcome to do so.

I have seen a medal and we will be giving out some sort of medal/badge (we don't have a huge budget so it may just be a badge) to all the children who take part this time.

garinda 02-08-2009 16:30

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Gayle is it on the exact day the original procession took place?

Gayle 02-08-2009 17:13

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Not quite - I think the original was on the 29th September 1909, but it was felt that the nearest Saturday would be the best time to hold it this time, so it's on the 26th.

katex 02-08-2009 17:21

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 732854)
Not quite - I think the original was on the 29th September 1909, but it was felt that the nearest Saturday would be the best time to hold it this time, so it's on the 26th.

Yes, 29th September is correct ... is was on a Wednesday in 1909 ... half day closing ... :D. Wonder if the school children got time off ?

garinda 02-08-2009 23:47

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 732855)
Yes, 29th September is correct ... is was on a Wednesday in 1909 ... half day closing ... :D. Wonder if the school children got time off ?

The scholars under twelve might.

Those over twelve would have been at work.

Though judging by the reported crowds, perhaps it was declared a public holiday.

katex 03-08-2009 15:09

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 732915)
The scholars under twelve might.

Those over twelve would have been at work.

Though judging by the reported crowds, perhaps it was declared a public holiday.

In the census for our borough 1901 there was recorded . . 43,122 souls; in 1911 .. 45,029 so take away a few, and the babies (no slings then), very old and infirm, the sick ... guess wasn't too bad a turn out really.

Yeh . 12 eh? Actually, one thing annoys me at the link you put up for the HBC Garinda ... they talk about Sir Robert Peel, Primeminster and the police force, etc., but this was the son of Robert Peel ... who was born at Peelfold, Oswaldtwistle and did more for our area with his textile input and reform for shorter working hours for children.

Also, Sir Robert Peel was responsible for forming the Conservative Party ... LOL. Wonder if Cllr. Britcliffe was responsible for this dedication ? :eek:

garinda 03-08-2009 18:57

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 732995)
In the census for our borough 1901 there was recorded . . 43,122 souls; in 1911 .. 45,029 so take away a few, and the babies (no slings then), very old and infirm, the sick ... guess wasn't too bad a turn out really.

Yeh . 12 eh? Actually, one thing annoys me at the link you put up for the HBC Garinda ... they talk about Sir Robert Peel, Primeminster and the police force, etc., but this was the son of Robert Peel ... who was born at Peelfold, Oswaldtwistle and did more for our area with his textile input and reform for shorter working hours for children.

Also, Sir Robert Peel was responsible for forming the Conservative Party ... LOL. Wonder if Cllr. Britcliffe was responsible for this dedication ? :eek:

A Hyndburn Borough Council website with an inaccuracy?

Surely to goodness it can't be so!

If only they hadn't wasted the £591,000.00 given to them for a community website, they could have employed a couple of researchers for the next couple of decades, to make sure this didn't happen.

Costly website a ‘desperate failure’ - News - Accrington Observer

Sadly it appears we have people in charge who don't know their Parsley Peel, from old potato peel.


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