Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

One murder and one rape every week by prisoners freed early | Mail Online
Tell that to the victims:(

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

well i suppose that answers how many people have to die before they punish them properly

more than 1 a week per early release it seems

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

if it wasn't so serious that phrase Tough on crime would be funny.:rolleyes:

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

is not as though any government in the last 20 years has got tougher on serious crime though is it infact if the tories get in were supposed to hug the next wave of dilinquants

whats camerons next advice on dealing with scum?

hug a pedo or kiss a rapist perhaps?

mind you labour cant get tough on crime either becaus eif they do most of them will be slung in jail for theft

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

I think that the first thing that has to happen is for the Human rights of the victims to be given as much thought as those of the criminal.......if you commit a serious offence then you should have no redress to Human Rights....I know that this concept will probably bring howls of protest from those who think that we can rehabilitate these violent thugs.
Violent crime should attract harsh sentencing, and harsh prisons...how else can we show these criminals that we mean business?

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

was on the news only this week a "Record Prison Population" anyone with any oil in there lamp has known fer last 25 years that we need more prisons NO government has done out about that fact, the only reason its taken this long to get this"Record" is the fact many are kicked out of nick early to make room fer the next lot Bloody Pathetic!:(

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

The reason for the thread tittle was just to highlight another failed promise made by Blair prior to 1997:rolleyes:

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

yeah but the tories also said they would get tougher on crime infact i think teh best attempt they ever came up with was " back to basics" and years down the line they think hugging a hoodie will now solve all teh problems lol

im afraid if you want to show labour in a bad light your going to have to choose somthing where the conservatives didnt do ust as bad lol


as for showing failed prommises by blair everyone knows that idiot started breaking promises teh second he got in power never mind failing them lol

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

yep the tories cut services ie police even when they knew the population was rising tenfold...








www.nothayrshirecomuproboards.com

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

Repeating the line 'hug a hoodie' which Cameron never actually said just brings the debate down to the gutter. The entire phrase was concocted by a newspaper.

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

OK, then, Andrew, here's your chance to put the record straight. Explain to us exactly how the Tories are going to get tough on crime when/if they take power?

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

http://www.conservatives.com/~/media...m.ashx?dl=true

makes interesting reading, ope they stick to it, unlike Labour.

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

doubt it , just like labour they will say whatever it takes to gain power and do sod all once they have power

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

"A stronger, more charitable society"...a vacuous phrase that could have come straight out of the T. Blair handbook.

Still, what can you expect from a party led by a lightweight Blair-alike who dresses up political opportunism as sincere conviction in a way that the master would've been proud of? :rolleyes:

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

In fact Wynonie you may find that Blair was only a glove puppet, complete with cheesy grin, being work by the Spin Master General, Alistair Campbell:rolleyes:That is why Brown is so useless, Alistair's hand ain't stuck up his backside working his mouth:D

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

been wed 43 years now. they do not get that for murder now. ????

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

prisoners probably get more sex as well ..

wether they like it or not lol :eek:

what are you on, drugs? Crime has fallen.

In HYNDBURN crime has fallen dramatically. Who says so, the local Tories. They were bragging a 30% fall in 4 years. I believe this is true. Crime according to all has fallen.

I suppose what you really mean is crime has fallen when it's district council elections and it's out of control when there's a general election!!!!!

I'll tell you how to reduce the fear of crime John. Stop buying the daily mail.

This is the most stupid post you have ever done and you've done some belters!

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

What newspaper was it?

The Daily Telegraph?

I'm suprised. Their reporting's usually spot on.

Now slip your hoodie on, and we'll all give you a little hug.

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

yours seems pretty stupid to me graham, yes crime has fallen, yet you omitted to say Violent Crime has RISEN. i and many i know will not take there wives down our town centre at night or any other town centre fer that matter, also do you not consider part of the reason it has decreased is the fact that people DO NOT report crime as much as they used too, this has been happening fer many years, fer various reasons like "Response Times", so they know its pointless, other reasons include fear of intimidation etc etc, the simple reason to me life is like this is the reason i would assume jaysay posted this thread.

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

It was actually lead story on both BBC and Sky News on Saturday morning,

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

I've never yet seen a post by you that made any sense what so ever, you only us this site for your own political gratification, and to placate the sycophantic few who'll listen

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

What, that Cameron said we should all hug-a-hoodie?

I thought it was last year, that it was reported he'd said it.

Is he still encouraging us to do it, as recently as last Saturday?

When will he let it lie, and realise we don't want too?

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

No Rindi, the lead story was about this government letting murderers and rapists out early to offend again, that besides the Mail, Times and Telegraph, not sure if it was in the Guardian as there was no political mileage in it for them:rolleyes:

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

My question related to, and quoted, andrewb's post that Cameron's hug-a hoodie had first been reported in a newspaper.

I asked if it was the Daily Telegraph, because you can rely on that august publication only to print the truth.

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

We got the same thing going over here .... crime of all kinds is down in Canada, and dropping even more. Yet, the right wing element still pushes a "let's get tough on crime" platform .... always directed at those who don't think, or whose thinking is limited to a trivial reorganisation of their ingrained prejudices. Getting "tough" on crime doesn't work. Capital punishment doesn't work. The only western country that still executes murderers is the US ... it also has the highest murder rate. The US is tough on drugs; yet, it has the world's biggest drug problem. "Tough on crime" means let's not use reason to come up with solutions to a complex problem, let's just use methods and practices that never have worked, and never will. For those who think that tough and extreme measures work, remember Liddice.

And it looks like Kingston might become the murder capital of Canada this year .... we've had four so far .... not bad for a town this size .... But those four were victims of an honour killing by Afghani nutbars from Montreal; so, maybe they don't count.

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

the 'tough on crime' seems to be working in my area, the murder rate in Oakland California is down to 58 so far this year , last year the count was 72 at this time.

Think a big problem is not with the Police , 90% of the time they try do a good job but with the Courts/Lawyers and Politicians. Instead of keep putting more laws on the books just enforce the existing ones .

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

Same thing in the Greater Toronto Area (pop. about 5 million) too ... but this is a result of tougher gun laws (this is the point at which members of the NRA tune out), and more proactive policing ... in 23 Division, which centres on the notorious Jane/Finch area, there are more coppers on the beat .... and units are working with community groups, and families of gang members ... seems to be working .... murder rate is way down.

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

Love this comment by a reader in the Asian news (transferred to the Observer) on the Cllr. Yousin situation with his thuggish sons ... seems like could be migrating over here Eric :D:-

This is the phonamon of young asian lads being influenced by american and yardie gangs and gangsta rap. I wonder has anyone else heard the odd sound of asian lads speaking with Jamiacan accents? Thay are trying to be more gangsta than the than the REAL gangsters and are playing at a very dangerous game.
Brock, Hulme
1/08/2009 at 10:52

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

I knew that as soon as you posted Jaysay.. because most of your threads are the same... at first glance they are everyday social comments but are always propaganda for the Tories... you are a very bad spinner trying your guts out for your party.

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

Its hardly spin when its covered by every major news outlet in the country, or maybe it wasn't headlines in your chosen newspaper the Morning Star:D

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

Its hardly spin when its covered by every major news outlet in the country, maybe it wasn't cover by your choice of daily reading the Morning Star:D

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

Jaysay your post is so good you had to post it twice...and you did say you do not come on here after 10 pm... sorry if I woke you up!

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

Gremlins in the works Mancie, but at least you got the message, shows your awake or are you just on your way the fridge to get another Special Brew:D I'm sure mick will be so kind as to delete one of the posts:rolleyes:

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

They don't delete anti Tory posts on here pal..or did you not notice? :D

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

Well when you think about it the message is usually so good its worth a double take:D

Re: Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime
 

No..when I think about it I recognise someone talking K1 kak from the Thatcerite gospel of the 80's..go back to bed mate .. times have moved on and your tat means sod all!