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mani	01-08-2009 19:32

Councillor's sons jailed, victim says she'll sue

should the councillor step down now after refusing to condemn his sons insisting "this was out of character "?

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A TEENAGER who lost two front teeth in a violent attack by a councillor’s two sons has voiced her relief after they were both jailed.

Waqar Mohammed Younis, 20, and his younger brother Khawar, 17, were sentenced to a combined 16 months in custody after attacking Lianne Clayton and her boyfriend James Ryder last November.

But Lianne, 18, has now vowed to seek thousands of pounds worth of damages through a separate county court claim.

The brothers, of Nuttall Street, Accrington, admitted charges of actual bodily harm and grievous bodily harm without intent at Burnley Crown Court.

Waqar Younis was sentenced to 12 months in a Young Offenders’ Institution and Khawar Younis received an eight-month Detention and Training Order, of which half is spent in custody. The pair canvassed for their father Mohammed before he was elected as county councillor for Accrington West last month.

Councillor's sons jailed, victim says she'll sue - News - The Asian News

accyman

01-08-2009 19:40

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charges of actual bodily harm and grievous bodily harm without intent at

you know its stupid noncense wording like this that gets thugs off lightley

if you swing to hit somone you fully intend to hurt or damage them,theres no WITHOUT intent about it:rolleyes:

of course teh concilor shoudl step down , how can he have his wards best interest at heart when his children thathe raised are gojng around smashing their teeth in

katex

01-08-2009 20:14

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Can't really make my mind up about this ... sure that the councillor is a good man wanting to do the best for his constituents.

Problem is, this will crop up many times for him when he tries to make any type of moral or social decisions ... you know the sort of thing "well, you've no room to talk, with two sons as thugs and jailbirds". Sad, feel sorry for him. Sadder for the victim though.
Even the opposition would have a field day; naturally Peter Britcliffe will muster up support and not look at it logically .. :)

Lilly

01-08-2009 20:28

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I don't necessarily think that he should stand down as I don't think parents should be punished for the crimes of their adult children.

However, I do think it was foolish of him to tell the papers he is proud of his sons.

Why would you say that in these circumstances? :confused:

A comment like that is bound to offend people.

I hope I am never in that position but if it was me I would be mortified and telling the papers how ashamed I was.

Margaret Pilkington

01-08-2009 20:38

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I don't believe the father should be held accountable for his adult sons.
We all know that you can try your best with your children and they will still sometimes do something that is bad......and it doesn't necessarily mean that you have not instilled the right values in your offspring...it is sometimes that they take more notice of the crowd that they mix with.

The young man that did this despicable act should be held responsible for his actions, not his father.

katex

01-08-2009 21:07

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 732661)

However, I do think it was foolish of him to tell the papers he is proud of his sons.

A comment like that is bound to offend people.
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 732662)

The young man that did this despicable act should be held responsible for his actions, not his father.

Good points .. but you still have to look at his credibility in a political situation, and how it will affect his work on the LCC, and how the voters will have confidence in his decisions due to this background of raising two violent sons; will always weaken his opinions. So, yes, he should resign as will make his job we have voted him into extremely difficult.

accyman

01-08-2009 21:23

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i think the councilors getting off lightley by been asked to resign if thats whats been asked because can you imagine the fuss if it had been the other way around and a white counsilors kids had punched and kicked an asian girl to the ground smashing her teeth out:rolleyes:

Gayle

01-08-2009 21:25

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I think this is a toughie - on the one hand, no one else is accountable for your actions except yourself, on the other, he is a Councillor and should be above reproach in all ways.

I think the honourable thing would be to stand down but I don't actually think he needs to.

So whatever he does is the right decision, but equally the wrong one too.

katex

01-08-2009 21:35

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On Mani's original question .. "was out of character" ... don't quite believe this ... you know your children, however, they don't suddenly start beating the pooh out of someone do they 'all of a sudden' ??? Certainly his position is drastically compromised.

shillelagh

01-08-2009 21:47

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I dont know .. first of all he shouldnt have said anything till after the court case .. mainly because of predjudicing the case, second should he have stood for council with that going on in the background .. because he knew if he got in and they were then convicted this would come up ... and if opinion gets strong enough he would have to resign and cause a by-election 2 months after he'd been elected.

accyman

01-08-2009 22:39

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 732667)

perhaps it was out of charecter for them to get caught?

people who behave like they did have usually done it before

cashman

01-08-2009 22:42

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whilst parents should not be held accountable for the actions of grown up children, a "Councillor" in my book should be accountable fer comments to the media, so therefore he should Stand Down, simple as IMHO.

katex

01-08-2009 23:03

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 732683)

perhaps it was out of charecter for them to get caught?

people who behave like they did have usually done it before

Exactly what I was saying Accyman ... and then he had the cheek to say he was very proud of his sons !! Think any decent parent would have, at least, said that he was very ashamed of his sons' behaviour with regard to this dreadful attack on this young girl .. :(

katex

02-08-2009 00:40

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 732696)

Sorry Lilly ... you've already said this too .. didn't intend any plaigiarism.

cashman

02-08-2009 00:58

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Nowt to do with politics here, but what the father said -" Im very proud of my sons and they are now moving on with their lives, education, and future," is a disgraceful statement, no sympathy was offered that i read, only "This was out of character," this man should not be representing the public as far as i'm concerned.:(

Mancie

02-08-2009 01:34

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There is no defence for this man's sons and if this bloke did defend them for an attack on anyone then it's not on... but I learned a long time ago not to believe any "statements" made to the press... the press are not interested in the truth..the are only intersted in headlines and selling papers.

mani	02-08-2009 04:43

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on a side note

interestingly the court case was taken to burnley - after seeing how the victim looked it was the only place she'd look normal.

SPUGGIE J

02-08-2009 06:48

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Justice has been served. To oust the father because of what his sons actions have done is wrong. If all parents had to quit there jobs because of the actions of their offspring then we would be in a real mess. The victim has the right to sue but sue the sons and leave the rest of the family out. It seems that the father has been found guilty by association when he has had nothing to do with what happened.

Margaret Pilkington

02-08-2009 08:49

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I agree that this father should have kept his mouth shut......I think that when he said he was proud of his sons, it didn't refer to their actions in this case....it meant in general.....though I feel it was an innappropriate comment at the time.

And I think that his position in the LCC is not weakened, because most of the people that he represents will judge him on his work within the LCC, rather than the soundbites and media coverage of this court case.

I haven't seen any adverse comments about his work for LCC or seen any calls for his resignation, based on this court case.

BERNADETTE

02-08-2009 08:51

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Originally Posted by mani (Post 732742)

on a side note

interestingly the court case was taken to burnley - after seeing how the victim looked it was the only place she'd look normal.

Not in the least bit funny:mad:

garinda

02-08-2009 08:54

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There's no legal or moral reason for him to step down, but would I vote for someone who said this of their sons after the attacks?

'He said: "This is a very regrettable incident. It was out of character for my sons. They are both very sorry about the whole incident and they will never behave like this in the future'

"I am very proud of my sons and they are now moving on with their lives, education and future."

Councillor defends his violent sons - News - Accrington Observer

No I wouldn't.

jaysay

02-08-2009 09:04

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 732765)

Well you wouldn't have voted for him anyway :rolleyes:

garinda

02-08-2009 09:16

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 732768)

Well you wouldn't have voted for him anyway :rolleyes:

Unless you've had access to my voting record, and it isn't a secret ballot after all, you don't know who I'd vote for.

All I've ever posted on here was that I vote for who I think is the best candidate, which means I haven't always voted for the candidate from one particular party.

You see my vote is discriminate, unlike some.

As posted, I wouldn't vote for this man, whose sons helped his campaign, because of his comments.

It's nothing to do with him being a Conservative, which I hadn't mentioned, until you seemed to think it had some relevance to me, which it doesn't.

Anyone with a modicum of intelligence on here knows that if he hadn't been a councillor representing the party you belong to, you'd be calling him all the names under the sun, along with the other blinkered suppoters.

Margaret Pilkington

02-08-2009 09:35

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Nor would I vote for him, but I am sure the people of his own community/ethnicity(I hope that doesn't sound racist....it isn't meant to be) will make their own choices based on how he does the job.

jaysay

02-08-2009 09:44

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 732774)

I think you'll find you have intimated on here before today you wouldn't vote Tory, just making an observation:rolleyes:

katex

02-08-2009 10:24

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 732786)

Nor would I vote for him, but I am sure the people of his own community/ethnicity(I hope that doesn't sound racist....it isn't meant to be) will make their own choices based on how he does the job.

We will have to wait and see Margaret, has only been there a few weeks .. he only ousted Doreen Pollitt (on 22 votes) due to national issues and let's face it he was representing a heavy populated Asian area. That's realistic, not racist. There again, can't really say this can you, maybe lots of Asians voted against him if they had knowledge of the type of family they were.

Margaret Pilkington

02-08-2009 10:51

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Yes Kate, I am sure you are right....and again, not meaning to be racist, but the ethnicity of the area probably accounts for why he was elected in the first place.....so let his own community do the judging.

garinda

02-08-2009 16:26

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 732790)

I think you'll find you have intimated on here before today you wouldn't vote Tory, just making an observation:rolleyes:

Well your observation is wrong.

Please feel free to search through my posts for evidence to the contrary.

(I'll give you a little help...you won't find any evidence to support your claim.)

Never judge a book by it's cover, it's a very stupid thing to do.;)

katex

02-08-2009 17:26

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Mani has never offered an opinion here ?

mani	03-08-2009 01:46

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mani is the talk show host ;) he does the asking...

no there's a reason his win was only 22 votes. i know alot of asians in general dont think too highly of him. alot of them voted because coun. dad was his wing man and he's very much respected by alot of people. alot of the neutral people were surprised he'd actually taken the win.

personally? i do think his position isnt as secure as coun. dad and this will further weaken his standing amongst the people he's meant to be representing.

LYNX1

03-08-2009 07:56

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 732660)

I'm afraid I don't agree Kate..........I know the councillor and his sons, and in my opinion he should never have been voted in :(

Gordie

03-08-2009 21:07

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Why are you sure the councillor is a good man ? His team helping him to be elected are not good men

Gordie

03-08-2009 21:11

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No only guilty of supporting his family thugs

katex

03-08-2009 21:42

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Originally Posted by Gordie (Post 733084)

Why are you sure the councillor is a good man ? His team helping him to be elected are not good men

Not sure Gordie ... was just trying to be optimistic that he is.

Gordie

04-08-2009 23:54

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 733098)

Not sure Gordie ... was just trying to be optimistic that he is.

This mans sons are nothing but a disgrace and rightly punished.The councilor in my opinion is also a disgrace not for what his thuggish sons have done but for the way he has conducted himself through out this case.This man is not fit to represent the people of Accrington. My guess is that this man did not get voted in purely on his merits as a good possible councilor. I am sure the thugs canvassing for him had all their friends on his side.

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