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garinda 06-08-2009 09:07

Medal for citizen's arrest?
 
Just read this shocking story, and I think if someone has made a citizen's arrest, which ends with the arrested suspect being found guilty of a crime, then there should be some sort of public recognition, and thanks.

VIDEO: Girl, nine, 'violently sexually assaulted' in Great Harwood (From Blackburn Citizen)

It's all too easy to do nothing when we see people up to no good, though hopefully, like these two lads, I think most members of the public would rush to the aid of a child if needed.

I applaud these two men, for catching this suspect, and helping to bring him to justice, and I hope the little girl manages to get over the terrifying ordeal, helped by the knowledge that her attacker is behind bars...hopefully.

Tim Bolchover and Matthew Clegg deserve a medal for their actions, in my opinion.

emzy 06-08-2009 09:14

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Well done to these 2 lads, not everyone would have done this and I agree, they do deserve some sort of recognition for what they did. The attacker may have got away with it if it wasnt for these two. Thanks to them a dangerous criminal is now behind bars.

jaysay 06-08-2009 09:28

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Totally agree Rindi, especially this day and age when a lot f these thugs are armed with knives or even guns, he may well have got away with it as he wasn't local and could have quire easily have disappeared

cashman 06-08-2009 09:40

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restores faith in human nature, good on em.

***Mr D*** 06-08-2009 17:27

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Good on the two lads.

The guy is lucky they didnt take there own justice first. I know I would of been very tempted.

Hope he gets what he deserves and thats multiple inflications of pain along with a long spell at her magisties pleasure.

katex 06-08-2009 17:32

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Endorse the praise for their efforts .. maybe they will get some form of official acknowledgement of what they did.... hope so.

At least, being caught so early will give some sort of comfort to the parents who will have to handle the trauma inflicted on this wee lass.

shillelagh 06-08-2009 17:33

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the police do awards for bravery ...

Lancashire Constabulary

harwood red 06-08-2009 19:06

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This could just be local gossip but I heard today that these two men may well be facing charges as supposedly they did take their own justice before the police arrived...as I say this is only local gossip so don't know if its true or not

accyman 07-08-2009 02:07

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Originally Posted by harwood red (Post 733954)
This could just be local gossip but I heard today that these two men may well be facing charges as supposedly they did take their own justice before the police arrived...as I say this is only local gossip so don't know if its true or not

i hope they did get a few punches in on the pervert before the police got there and good on them if they did

hopefully they wont get in touble if they did for doing what anyone would do

besides hopefully its the word of the pervert against the word of 2 upstanding lads

if the did give the pervert a thumping it shoudl be an extra medal if anything

Studio25 07-08-2009 08:01

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 734045)
i hope they did get a few punches in on the pervert before the police got there and good on them if they did...

So the bloke they caught was definitely the guilty one? Just asking...

jaysay 07-08-2009 08:43

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Originally Posted by harwood red (Post 733954)
This could just be local gossip but I heard today that these two men may well be facing charges as supposedly they did take their own justice before the police arrived...as I say this is only local gossip so don't know if its true or not

Oh dear did the poor lad fall down whilst being chased, by those two nasty men, it's surprising how many people have accidents these days:rolleyes:

MargaretR 07-08-2009 09:32

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I hope that I wasn't the only one who shivered when I read about this retribution.
The mental image of the enactment of revenge was just as horrific as the rape itself.
I know many here are applauding it, but I consider such action as a symptom of a society in freefall.
We have been conditioned to accept violence as a normal event.
Sad, isn't it?

garinda 07-08-2009 09:50

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 734094)
I hope that I wasn't the only one who shivered when I read about this retribution.
The mental image of the enactment of revenge was just as horrific as the rape itself.
I know many here are applauding it, but I consider such action as a symptom of a society in freefall.
We have been conditioned to accept violence as a normal event.
Sad, isn't it?

I agree.

Until a jury has convicted someone of this crime, it's up to the justice system to punish the guilty, and not others.

Though I'm still please the suspect is off the street until he's in court, because of these two lads.

shakermaker 07-08-2009 10:03

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 734094)
I hope that I wasn't the only one who shivered when I read about this retribution.
The mental image of the enactment of revenge was just as horrific as the rape itself.
I know many here are applauding it, but I consider such action as a symptom of a society in freefall.
We have been conditioned to accept violence as a normal event.
Sad, isn't it?

That particular sentence is obviously quite ridiculous, but I do agree with the sentiment of the rest of your post (that Garinda summarised).

MargaretR 07-08-2009 10:06

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 734104)
That particular sentence is obviously quite ridiculous, but I do agree with the sentiment of the rest of your post.

Did you not mentally visualise what form the 'retribution' would take?, and shudder at what some people are capable of?
If 'no' - you demonstrate a lack of empathy with your fellow man

harwood red 07-08-2009 10:10

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 734107)
Did you not mentally visualise what form the 'retribution' would take?, and shudder at what some people are capable of?
If 'no' - you demonstrate a lack of empathy with your fellow man

I think what shaker was saying was to compare the retribution to a rape is ridiculous, especially when you consider it's a 9 year old girl

MargaretR 07-08-2009 10:12

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Both horrify me equally

shakermaker 07-08-2009 10:14

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 734107)
Did you not mentally visualise what form the 'retribution' would take?
If 'no' - you demonstrate a lack of empathy with your fellow man

Of course I did, and as posted I agree with the sentiment of your post entirely.
I just couldn't say that "The mental image of the enactment of revenge was just as horrific as the rape itself." I can imagine very few things (if any) as horrific as the original crime. Perhaps that's the effect of context.

katex 07-08-2009 10:16

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Only gossip at the moment ... don't think would have been any sort of premeditated type of retribution ... possibly the attacker struggled as the lads tried to contain him. It is also one of the crimes (along with muggings of old ladies) that really incites an angry involuntary reaction in all of us. Don't think is anything new.

garinda 07-08-2009 11:09

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 734107)
Did you not mentally visualise what form the 'retribution' would take?, and shudder at what some people are capable of?
If 'no' - you demonstrate a lack of empathy with your fellow man

Apprehending, and handing over to the police, good citizenship.

As stated earlier, if they used any unecessary violence to do this, that's very wrong.

Though I'm of the opinion even if the suspect had been raped, which certainly isn't the case, it still nowhere equates to the terror a small child would have felt, as someone violently took her innocence.

cashman 07-08-2009 12:55

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 734144)
Apprehending, and handing over to the police, good citizenship.

As stated earlier, if they used any unecessary violence to do this, that's very wrong.

Though I'm of the opinion even if the suspect had been raped, which certainly isn't the case, it still nowhere equates to the terror a small child would have felt, as someone violently took her innocence.

i can go wi that, reading the report these 2 blokes chased him through the wooded area nearby, etc until they caught him, don't know what happened when they did he resisted or not? but if they were certain it was the guy i hope they kicked the crap out of him, if it was ya can stick empathy wi fellow man margaret, i do not regard sex offenders as human.

jaysay 07-08-2009 16:09

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 734193)
i can go wi that, reading the report these 2 blokes chased him through the wooded area nearby, etc until they caught him, don't know what happened when they did he resisted or not? but if they were certain it was the guy i hope they kicked the crap out of him, if it was ya can stick empathy wi fellow man margaret, i do not regard sex offenders as human.

Totally agree cashy, because you can rest assured that the scumbag won't get his just deserts from the man in a curly wig :(

accyman 07-08-2009 18:40

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IF these two lad saw the guy comitting tehe offence and kicked the snot out him then very well done indeed on the 2 lads part

maybe its just me but i think sexually assaulting children is wrong and deserves more than a short stay in prison for people who do it :rolleyes:

untill we actually start executing them sadly a good hiding is the best punishment they can get

suedarbo 07-08-2009 20:57

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My two pennorth on this is if it was my daughter and the lads had caught him knowing it was definately him, I hope they kicked the crap out of him as well. If he'd done that to my daughter I'd want to do worse than that to him.
I shall now get my coat.:blush8:

steeljack 07-08-2009 21:51

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I would hope that if the two lads do get charged with anything , they elect to go to court and demand a jury trial , Don't see a local jury finding them guilty .

the proviso being , the person they got was the right guy .

suedarbo 07-08-2009 23:20

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Steeljack my hubby just said exactly the same thing.

cashman 07-08-2009 23:23

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Originally Posted by suedarbo (Post 734428)
Steeljack my hubby just said exactly the same thing.

Didn't know ya were wed to Steeljack:D:D:D:D:D:D

suedarbo 07-08-2009 23:36

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Erm, I'm not.


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