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to be released from prison. about time.

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Hadn't he already spent rather a long time out of prison??

Best Regards - Taggy

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taggy. the mans nearly dead no point in prison for him now

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I've always thought that thirty years was a little harsh and as there was no fear of him re-offending they could have released him a couple of years ago. If not for him but for his son who obviously adores him.

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Apartr from the fact that he is a convicted criminal who has shown no remorse whatsoever for his actions......:rolleyes:

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I remember the robbery .... vaguely .... and I always thought that the sentences were way out of line .... like the heat got really po'd at the perps, and the courts, instead of sentencing, "sent a message". It has always struck me as a typical "English" crime, fairly clever in its concept and using the minimum of force ... if it had taken place in the US, it would have been brute strength, ignorance, assault rifles and lots of ammo ... and probably a high body count. Just musing.

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Makes me wonder if folks had been related to the poor bloke whos life was ruined would they feel differently? Sure he wasn't killed but his quality of life was taken away, not so sure whether the perpetrators were bothered/or would be bothered either way. He only came back here to take advantage of our NHS, maybe I would feel a bit sorry for his plight if he had shown some remorse.

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Hear what you are saying hon, but, what did they get 35yrs? ..... can't remember exactly, but it was serious time .... don't know what the sentences are like in England, but, in Canada murder gets you 25 before eligibility for parole ... and with good behaviour, and a little remorse in front of the parole board, you are back on the street .... and if the perps had been preparing for real confrontation they surely would have been packing ..... I do think that those who commit high profile crimes tend to get the proverbial book tossed at them, while those who commit a low key, but perhaps more violent crime get away with less. Somehow this doesn't go along with the blindfold justice wears .... I guess if you commit a crime that rates a movie, you are screwed if you get caught.

I'm not climbing on a soapbox here .... just a few random thoughts. Time to move on to other things.;)

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bottom line with the great train robbery, it was government money so thats more serious than stealing mine or yours:rolleyes: hence the severe sentences, at that moment in time when it happened average life sentence fer murder was LESS than 20 years. the guy who got coshed was a fool, should just have let em get on wi it simple as. could understand his actions if it had been his money.:rolleyes: personally i reckon biggs should be released to die.

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This is Ronnie Bigs in 1979, whilst still on the run in Brazil, starring in a film with the Sex Pistols.

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/albu...d12/135460.jpg

It was actually filmed four years after fellow Great Train Robber Buster Edwards had been released in 1975, after serving his time for the crime.

Biggs could be free today, if he had shown remorse for the crime, which to this day he's never done, or stayed in Brazil.

He chose not to stay in Brazil because he needed medical care, and he was skint, so he came back so we could pay for it.

You do the crime, and if you get caught, you do the time.

Age should be no barrier to the laws of justice.

Would be people still be calling for his freedom if it happened to be a sick old man who'd been a child abuser?

I think not.

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Big differance to me a child abuser don't get 30 years normally. the punishment DID NOT fit the crime in the Train Robbers Case IMHO. did not notice many people calling fer that bitch Myra Hindleys release.

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Okay, he wasn't a child abuser, and the sentence could be described as harsh, but as was posted earlier, at that time they were holding them up as an example of the severity of the punishment to others if you went about coshing innocent guards, and nicking the Royal Mail.

The fact is if he had served his time, and shown any remorse, by the time he was farting about on the beach in Rio with the Sex Pistols, he could have been free anyway.

His choice.

We wouldn't be having this debate at all if he hadn't blown all his money. He'd still be in Brazil, giving the British justice system the V-sign. He came back because he was broke, and you don't get free medical care in Brazil.

His choice.

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was nowt to do with coshing the guard, was simple fact it was goverment money, which they would never say officially, i look at it this way, if they had give me 30 yrs bird fer that, i would be very bitter n like biggs i would have stuck 2 fingers up at em.

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They knew whose money it was when they planned it, and presumably the consequences if they were caught, for committing what was at that time the biggest robbery in British history.

The bulk of the money was never recovered. The money being government money, and therefore our money, the British tax payer.

No one served thirty years, even the ones who escaped and were recaught, but they showed remorse, unlike Biggs, which in this country is still a prerequisite for early parole.

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Bottom line for me irrelevant of whos money it was and by the way is goverment money not the tax payers money? So therefore they were robbing the tax payers!! Anyway irrelevant of the ins and outs of the crime and the sentence. Ronnie Biggs was quite happy to sod offf and spend the spoils of his crime whilst knowing he was on the run. Why when he finds himself with a terminal illness did he come back here? Well we all know the answer to that it was because we have a far superior health service here!! IMHO he should have been sent straight back to wherever he spent the money he and his gang nicked. It is a travesty that felons can come back and get treatment (even when in the clink) whilst honest tax payers are fighting for every cancer drug depending on their postcode. By all means realease him but send him back to the country he spent all the dosh in for treatment. Given that option I'm damn sure he or his son would decide on the dying in jail option!!!

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the money was going to the bank of england to be destroyed. thats also fact.

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It still had a monetary value, to us as well as them.

You can't print, or destroy money, willy-nilly, otherwise there'd be no poor countries in the world.;)

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Old school crim.

Bit of a rogue.

Jack the lad.

The people's hero.

No he wasn't.

For God's sake he wasn't some sort of Robin Hood, robbing the rich to feed the poor. It was hard working tax payer's money on that train, and the only poor to benefit were the third world, poverty trapped, prostitues he bought as company in his fun filled exile.

I hope he finds peace now he's been released, and in the time he has left.

I'd also hope he'd eventually show some remorse for his part in the crime. If only for the victim's family, Jack Mills, the 58 year old, hard working train driver, who was coshed on the head with an iron bar, and who was never able to work again, and who suffered pain from his injuries until his death.

Perhaps some people wouldn't feel so misty eyed about Biggs if it'd been thier old dad who'd been attacked, whilst going about his business.

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lol one min people are shouting to be tougher on crime and as soon as they see a picture of an old lag looking weak and feeble its awww let him go.

if he hadnt ran and served his time he wouldnt be in the mess he is now and if he hadnt blown all his money and not been taken ill im pretty sure he wouldnt have been handing himself back anytime soon either

shoudla left him to rot and die abroad, not waste my tax money paying for his keep in prison ,medical bills, legal aid etc

personaly i woulda handed him a rope and told him to go do what his pal buster did and put himself out of his misery

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the man has not done his time in a British prison.. and that is what most people who think he should still be there get the hump on..but it don't add up when a bloke kills a baby and gets 20yrs with chance of parole, but a bloke that nicks money gets 30yrs..it's not only about Ronnie Biggs.. the sort of sentencing the courts andmistrate is all over the place... the people that tried to rob a daimond from the Greenwich Dome get 20yrs..and the man that killed baby P gets the same.. something wrong there.

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Just for the sake of curiosity, it would be really interesting to know how much income tax Briggs paid in the U.K. prior to 1963, since it's highly doubtful he's paid anything into the system since.

People who chose crime as a profession, if they're any good at it, rarely work a 9-5 job, and pay all the relevant taxes that fund our welfare state.

That's usually down to millions of other law abiding, hard working people.

People like the train driver Jack Mills. The people who graft away for years, to put a roof over their families heads, and food on the table, and who pay all the taxes that fund our social benefit system, and the National Health Service, etc.

The same N.H.S. Brigg's returned here to take advantage of, because he'd blown all his ill-gotten gains, and couldn't afford medical care in Brazil.

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Although his son is now saying his father is sorry, and feels remorse, the last interview I read, done a couple of months ago, Briggs proudly said he didn't feel any remorse for his crimes, and that he was glad his noteriety meant he'd earned his place in history.

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On this issue I agree with you 100% Rindi

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My sentiments exactly. :mosher:

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He should not have been let.

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Dont give a toss.....he has been given back to his family for burial.
God speed.
Might create an interest on here with millions of hard working people but the man is on his last legs.
Rindi.....10 out of 10 for trying, but the subject will die with the demise of R Biggs.

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If that's the case, and there's nothing constructive you can add to the discussion, it seems a bit of a waste of time bothering to post.

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Hopefully the family will have to pay for the burial too!!....How long before the Son has a book out???:rolleyes:

Best Regards - Taggy

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[quote=garinda;734366]If that's the case, and there's nothing constructive you can add to the discussion, it seems a bit of a waste of time bothering to post.[/quote

That being the case, RIP Garinda and R Biggs, and let the man die with dignanty and in peace.......unless you have other ideas?

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We seem to have a generation divide on this one.:rolleyes:

The old codgers seem to be misty eyed about old Ronnie, whilst those of us too young to remember seem to have more sypmathy with the victim, rather than those that chose violent crime as a career.

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At least there's one ot two sad saps on here who'll probably buy a copy.;)

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[quote=Royboy39;734369]Not a very nice thing to post is it?

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The old codgers probably have a longer lifespan than the young codgers....and more knowledge. Carry on in your quest to be the font and maybe you will stumblle by the wayside.

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Pity Biggs didn't put his knowledge to better use then!

Best Regards - Taggy

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Well said, he is made out to be some sort of hero when what he and that gang did was far from heroic:(

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Agree Taggy but is he killing our troops in Afghanstan?

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Would that be you by any chance ?

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Obviously not Royboy, and on that score i'd get our troops out of there at the first opportunity, not a war i've believed in from the start.

The thing with Biggs Roy is that whilst the intial sentance handed out was perhaps a bit longer than it could have been. He never served, or attempted to serve the sentance, and never showed any remorse afterwards, which some of the others who did serve the time did. He would have got out just as soon as they did if he hadn't broken out, and perhaps he could have shown people then that he was capable of turning over a new leaf. Buster Edwards for example used to run a flower stall at Waterloo Station for many years! But Biggs just gloated in his notorieity and stuck two fingers up at the justice system and also the rest of the British Public really!

Best Regards - Taggy

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i'm certainly not misty eyed about biggs he was a career criminal simple as! my point is simple the sentences the train robbers got where well out of kelter wi what was the order of the day fer murderers n other serious crimes, i have already stated the reason fer it, you young uns seem too misty eyed to grasp that. n as far the argument about the postcode lottery fer treatment thats summat i have gone through personally, n also summat far worse at the same time, it makes no differance to my view about those sentences it didn't back in 60s n it don't now.:rolleyes:

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The longest sentence any of them served was ten years. Meaning that Biggs could have been freed by the mid seventies, if he'd have knuckled down, served his sentence, and shown the slightest remorse.

I'll mention again that as recently as a few months ago he said in an interview he felt no remorse, and that by not doing so it somehow added to his noteriety.

You do the crime, and you do the time, if that's how you chose to live your life.

I think they were probably lucky. People have died from less severe attacks than being coshed on the head with an iron bar. A few years earlier, and only down to luck that the train driver didn't die, they could have been facing the gallows.

We all have to live with the consequences of our actions.

For those unwilling to work decently and legally, providing for their families, and for society in general, via the paying of tax to fund the welfare system, they must face the consequences that crime doesn't always pay.

Although the tax other people have paid will provide the medical care to prolong your life when you're ill, and you've spent all the proceeds of your criminal career.

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As stated none of them served longer than ten years in clink.

Also they knew the severity of the sentences that might be dealt to them if they were caught, when they planned their crime.

You've already stated that the sentences were harsher because it was public money, a fact they'd also have known at the time, yet they still went ahead with it.

Hitting someone with an iron bar isn't an exact science. They, as well as the driver were lucky he wasn't killed, and the sentences harsher still.

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With hindsight I expect he would agree with you Rindy. I might be one of those 'oldies' who looks at it differently but he was a fairly young man at the time and thirty years in prison must have seemed such a long road to go down.

I was only fifteen or so at the time and remember watching the news and comparing it to 'Bonanza' or some such programme we watched in those days. It was even more exciting when he escaped.

All in all, it isn't going to matter a damn in the end as he will never leave his hospital bed alive and he's suffered in his own way for years.

I so wish we had internet when Bonnie and Clyde ran amok..........what a good thread that would have been!

June x

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I was wrong to post the 'old codgers' comment. Though there is a divide of opinion, which might depend on age, and how you view the crimes.

A thirty year sentence would seem a long stretch to a younger man, but if you've decided that violent crime seems an easier path in life, than working legitimately for a living, that's a consequence of your choice.

Unofficially the powers that be had long ago given up trying to extradite him, and finish his sentence. After many costly and futile attempts, made nigh on impossible when he fathered a child who was a Brazilian national.

He could have remained free for the rest of his days, if he'd have stayed in Brazil. He knew even though he was an old, sick man, he'd be arrested as soon as he stepped off the plane.

That was his choice, because he needed medical care he could no longer afford in Brazil.

Choices, and consequences.

A life of crime will probably mean time spent inside a jail. Fact.

A flight back to this country, to make use of the free health service, meant certain imprisonment. Fact.

His choices.

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i dispute the second paragraph, as i remember everyone was "Shocked" at the time at the time dished out by the judge, at least everyone wi any commonsense, so how they knew or expected em is beyond me.

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In 1961 Gordon Lonsdale, in a high profile trial, was sentenced to a term of 25 years in prison, for plotting to pass on secrets to the Russians.

For executing what was then the biggest robbery in British history, I suppose a sentence of thirty years was a risk they took, when they decided to go ahead with this audacious crime.

If he'd have done his time, and shown any remorse, Biggs could have been a free man since the mid seventies, as no one served longer than ten years for the crime.

His choice.

Very often those attracted to a 'career' in crime chose the easiest route in life, rather than knuckling down and working hard for a living, like the vast majority of law abiding members of society.

He's certainly not some sort of folk hero to me. He wasn't playing Robin Hood, who was stealing to support a load of poor orphans. He was in it for himself, because he thought it was easier than working legally.

His choice.

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no folk hero to me either, but that was never my point which ya seem to ignore, cos i don't believe ya don't grasp it.:)

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thinking back , I'm thinking some of the sympathy the 'train robbers' got was from the fact the Kray twins and slumlord Rachman (snakes in the bath) were in the news a lot at the time and they seemed to 'get off' with a lot easier sentances for more heinious crimes than the 'train robbers'

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Nowhere have I posted in this thread that he was seen as some sort of folk hero to yourself, though to some it appears he is.

As pointed out earlier, the money belonged to every hard working man and woman in the country, the bulk of which was never recovered.

Calling the train driver 'a fool', for not giving in to these violent thugs, is a shocking statement.

He too suffered the consequences of his actions, because he was unable to work again from the age of 57, and suffered pain from the injuries he received until his death.

To me someone like Jack Mills, a hard working train driver, injured because he didn't give in to those who use violence to get what they want, is much more of a hero, than any selfish thug, who's only out to steal what they want at any cost.

I have a very clear grasp on what I think is right and wrong.;)

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Well I'm in the old codgers bracket as you put it Rindi and I agree with you, he thumbed his nose a British justice for 30 years and only came back when his money ran out and his health was failing and he wanted NHS treatment

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This is a link to Ronnie biggs on sky news put on 1 hour ago

Ronnie Biggs Is 80 Today - The 46th Anniversary Of The Great Train Robbery | UK News | Sky News

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it may be shocking to you, but its fact, not the brightest move anyone ever made in those circumstances, i say things as i see em, if some don't like that TOUGH.

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I guess some people just lie down and hand over whatever's demanded of them, when faced with violent bullies, and others of us would fight back, and not give in.

Choices and consequences.

Although personally I'd feel pretty ashamed of myself for labelling someone a 'fool', who decided not to give in to thuggery, whilst going about his job.

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Bottom line is Biggs commited a crime, he served fifteen months before escaping and going abroad to spend his ill gotten gains. When he became ill he decided that Britain was the place to be because he would get free NHS care. To my mind he is just as bad as the people who come on holiday here knowing they will get free treatment also. Why should we think any differently of him? He paid nowt in yet expects to be looked after and that is wrong in my book!!!

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not in the least, faced with a bunch of masked thugs armed with coshes, i would feel pretty ashamed if through my stupidity, i was then unable to provide fer my family,fer the rest of my natural. may be hard fer hero's to grasp but THEY have always come first in my book.:rolleyes: as you yerself say Choices n consequences.

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Exactly my sentiments too Bernie.

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...happily for us the millions who died in wars facing weapons much worse than iron bars, in order to ensure our freedom in Britain, had more of 'have a go' attitude.

I still think it's an odd attitude to have. The other day you applauded the actions of the two lads who caught and detained the suspected child rapist, not knowing what danger they were putting themselves in, he could easily have been armed with a knife, gun, or iron bar, and yet labelling an innocent victim, who dared to stand his ground when faced with this criminal gang, a 'fool'.

Not having a go Cashy, just genuinely suprised.

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nowt to be suprised about rindy, if someone tried to rob me or mine, i know fer fact i would have a go, as i have in the past, if it was some firms money stuff it, i didn't have a go cos i'm brave or owt like that, i had a go cos cos me head went which is stupid. and to liken it to the millions who had a go in the war i think is pathetic, not even close to reality, expected better from you.:rolleyes:

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The vast majority of people don't know how they'd react under a stressful situation, such as a violent robbery.

I applaud your self control, only defending your own personal posessions, rather than those of someone who employed you.

The vast majority of people, given a split second to make a decision, will act on instinct, irrespective of whose goods they are defending.

This train driver was going about his lawful business, and he stood up to these criminal bullies, and was injured because of it.

To me it's more pathetic to crassly label him a 'fool' for doing what he did.

In most people's opinion, at least in this thread it seems, a more suitable label for him would be a 'have a go hero'.

Certainly the label suits him better, than ever could be said of Ronnie Biggs.

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disagree i labled myself stupid fer having a go in circumstances which were very dangerous i don't regard that as pathetic more foolish, n the same applies to the driver, i have always acted on instinct, but have held certain things/rules dear all me life n will continue to do so.

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If this gang of violent thugs had given the train driver advance notice they were going to attack the train, he might have decided to act differently than he did.

This was not he case.

He has a split second to act, and was coshed on the head because of his actions, and lived with those injuries for the rest of his life.

Hindsight's a wonderful thing.

With it Jack Mills may have acted differently, and wouldn't then be dismissed by yourself as 'a fool', some forty six years later.

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Can be an involuntary reaction ... nobody was more surprised by me than my stupidity when four young thugs were in the process of stealing my car ... didn't think .. just tore me blouse with the green muscles that seemed to metamorphosise to allow me to attack them. They got the car unfortunately.. :( Always thought would just hand over the car keys in a situation like this, but didn't happen in reality. Yes, stupid :silly: ... adrenalin clouded my sensibility.

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I've been in a similar situation. Someone threatening me with a knife, and trying to grab my brief case. I attacked him with my brolly, breaking the beautiful malacca handle on his head.

Self preservation kicks in when you feel threatened and under attack.

Perhaps you do have doubts about your reactions after the event, but the last thing you need is someone you don't know labelling you a fool for daring to exhibit the basic animal instinct of self sefence.

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What's knaffing (sp.LOL) is all the good wishes in flowers and cards he has received ....:mad:

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From that you can see evidence that he is some kind of hero to a certain type of person.

That type of person being a cretin.

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i said the same all those years ago as did many people, i see no reason to change my view, hindsight is wonderful commonsense better.:rolleyes:

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The type of person who'd have their photograph taken with Ronnie Knight in some naff bar on the Costas, who thinks Biggsy was a bit of a card, and who'd swear blindly that the Krays weren't all bad, because they were 'good to their mother'.

Cretins.

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...and after labelling Jack Mills 'a fool', you applauded the actions of two local men who chased and captured a suspected sex attacker, regardless of the danger to themselves, or the fact that the victim wasn't known to them. Two men who similarly had a split second decision to make regarding their actions.

In your opinion two are heroes, and the other a fool.

Sadly sounds like double standards to me.

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hell of a differance between the sexual attack on a child, n a gang of masked armed thugs after stealing someone elses money, though not apparently to you.:rolleyes: seems to me if folk don't play by your rules then they are wrong.

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simply put ya talk about split second reactions etc, when someone sexually assults a child or a woman then i can understand the reaction to go after the assailant, attack the assailant, or whatever, what i cannot understand is putting yerself in danger for a firm that you mean nothing too only a number,or defending that firms money.:rolleyes: you n many probably think hero as yer entitled, i think fool.

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It was reported that the men were told of the attack by their boss. They didn't witness anything.

They made an instant decision, just like the victim of the thugs who attacked the train, to try and find the unknown suspect.

They didn't know if the suspect was armed, or indeed if a crime had actually been committed. It was all hearsay at that particular second in time.

They acted instinctively, in the defence of someone they didn't know. They certainly weren't protecting their own person, or property.

You applaud the actions of two, and label another, who was violently attacked for acting similarly, after making a similar split-second decision, as 'a fool'.

Happily your attitude, that the main victim of the train robbers, deserved everything he got, is in the minority, at least by those who have posted in this thread so far.

Keep digging yourself a deeper hole.

You might even find an iron bar down there.

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The government's money is someone's money...ours.

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So anyone who ever employed you could expect you to turn a blind eye, whilst you knew of people stealing from the company, because it wasn't 'your money'?

Happily not an attitude many would agre with.

A principle's a principle, and stealing is stealing. No matter who owns the goods being thieved.

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Labelling the train driver 'a fool' for making an instant decision not give in to the bullying demands of these thugs, is as callous as labelling an old lady a fool, who'd been similarly beaten black and blue, for not letting a mugger steal her handbag. Even though she'd be warned previously that if that situation ever arose just to let them have it, as it wasn't worth the risk of being injured. Same human instinct of defence, no matter whether it's your own person you're defending, the train you are in charge of, or a handbag you're carrying containing a life time of memories.

However we seem to be going off thread.

Personally I do not think Jack Mills was 'a fool' for not giving in to the demands of a violent criminal gang.

He would have had my sympathy. Certainly much more sympathy than I have for Ronnie Biggs, who is the selfish architect of his own circumstance.

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The media are to blame for this man's notoriety...and for turning him into some kind of hero....who evaded his sentence for such a long time.

While I understand that he has been released on the grounds of compassion, he is still a criminal.
He may not be a threat anymore, but he is and always will be, in some measure, responsible for affecting the life and family of the train driver, who could never live a normal life after the attack.

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yer great at twisting things to suit yer own ends if their was n award fer it ya would win. again big difference between people stealing from a company n people attempting to steal armed with coshes etc, n of coarse i have sympathy fer mr mills, but that does not stop me thinking it was a real dumb thing to do, you seem to deliberatly disregard my view on this, cos it don't suit rindys view of life. i fail to see this hole i am digging, perhaps you musta filled it when ya fell in yerself.:D

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My last word on this digression from the original subject of the thread, is that my sympathies are always with the victims of viloent crime, no matter how they acted when under immense pressure.

I would certainly never label one of those victims 'a fool', regardless as to whether they stood up to the thugs, or rolled over and played dead.

Victims of violent crime = my utmost sympathies.

Scum of the earth who commit those crimes = no sympathy whatsoever.

Happily on this issue my thoughts are black and white.

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I agree Margaret, wasn't it the Sun who payed for Bigg's all expensive trip home from exile in South America, they didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts they did it for exclusive coverage and no doubt put a few quid in the bank for good old Ronnie too:rolleyes:

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Well hes finally dead now, that should suit a few.:rolleyes:

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Ya and just when they were featuring one of his greatest works on TV tonight:D

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I won't be watching that as a matter of principle. Not only were they violent criminals who beat a harmless man half to death, they were grossly incompetent.
Biggs should have been left to die in Brazil. It's what he deserved.