Possible that the kids will be first testers of Swine Flu Vaccine
 

Have a read. Not defenate but possible, note the comments also on the link.

Ministers plan swine flu vaccination in every school | World news | The Guardian

If you have children 5-16 are you happy about this.

Would you agree for them to be vaccinated with a UNTESTED Vacine?

I am not.

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Glad I don't have any children.
I am more inclined to listen the the WHO than the useless fools we have in government.
I thought it took six months, minimum, to create the flu vaccine:enough:?

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Governments do what the WHO tell them to do.
The WHO are given world objectives by The Bildeburg Group.
The Bildeburg Group want world population to be drastically reduced.
There is a conflict of interests there don't you think?:rolleyes:

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I believe it is quite right, most of the government is my age, I don't want to be a Guinea Pig, use the 5 to 16 year olds it's all they deserve! :eek:

Seriously though, do you really think they could be that callous?

If so it's time you and any relations you have should seek asylum elsewhere, staying here has no future for you're kind, has it?
:rolleyes:

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Simple answer----YES

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Well gosh, no surprise there then, do you live over a secret entrance to hell? nowt' decent seems to happen wherever you are?

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My Kind?

Do I think they can be that callous. YES did you see the link??

A Few More
BBC NEWS | Health | Flu jabs not tested on children

Flu: Vaccination plan for children - Yahoo! News UK

Flu: Vaccination plan for children - mirror.co.uk

Flu: Vaccination plan for children - Channel 4 News

Do I think they would get away with it NO, people are waking up.:)

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I really don't believe that anybody would think the powers that be are so callous as to administer something that has not been passed as safe to the children. For goodness sakes get a life instead of scaremongering:rolleyes:

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You think this Government to be a threat to you and your offspring, so don't stay here, leave those of us that live in our fantasy world that nothing ever goes wrong, stop trying to frighten us, we aren't interested, go where you feel safe and let us live our lives under this establishment.

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The WHO policy is global, so there is no escape from it anywhere.
Mandatory/compulsory vaccinations are being planned in USA, France and Australia, maybe here too eventually

It is an enfringement of the human rights act which is only legal because the WHO declared a pandemic - and we all know what a farce that is:rolleyes:

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Well I read the link and it says that it is a proposal at the moment and the vaccine is still being tested. It makes perfect sense to me to offer it to some of those deemed "most at risk" first. Also there is more chance of it spreading more rapidly in an enviroment like a school. Surely anybody can see the benefits of minimizing the risks of the spread of swine flu once the vaccine has been tested?

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Yes the Pandemic is a farce, but it isn't ordinary folk that are panicking, it's the people that read and believe fantasy web sites and try to spread their fear to everyone else.

If you and MrD wish to get together and correct the world from all it's faults why not go to the chat room instead of polluting life for the rest of us.


There are kids, parents and grandparents, on here trying their best to get on in life without this negative propaganda you and he spread like a liberal dose of manure.

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I would not have the jab, and if I had children in that age bracket, I would not subject them to the vaccination either.
By the time a vaccine is ready the virus will have mutated so this vaccination would be questionable in its value anyway.

This just my personal opinion and it would be my choice.

I think mandatory policies about vaccinations are an infringement of Human Rights.

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Less, if the parents and grandparents are so convinced of the efficacy and safety of the vaccination then that would be their choice to allow their children to have the vaccination.
Just because someone doesn't believe in the safety of something, doesn't make them fantasists.....nutcases, or anything else.

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Nor does it give them the right to panic others, their view is valid to them, why should they think they need to smear it across the lives of those of us that don't agree with them, or those that are unsure?

The fantastic is easy to demonstrate and they always look for the worst case scenario, if our Government is that bad then they should move to a safer haven, perhaps they could give me an example of an alternative world/land that would tolerate their thoughts and outbursts better than where they are?

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yes, their view is valid to them, and they have reasoned out their decision in their own minds.....lots of people will not make an informed choice, they will just follow the herd.

I am not panicked by someone elses opinion, because I can think rationally, and decide for myself......I think we should credit people with enough intelligence to do this, unless of course their actions prove that they are incapable of this.

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Less, where is this safer haven?...and how much money do you need to have to get in.
Lots of people would love to move to somewhere that they deem is better, but the practicalities of life get in the way.....jobs schooling money, etc......moving soewhere else isn't an option for most of us.....or we would be gone!

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No, it isn't an option for most of us, but, most of us aren't always telling the rest of us how unsafe this Country, it's Government and our methods are.

If this Country and it's wayss are as bad as they try to project surely it should be a priority for them to find a safer Haven, then they and we, will all sleep easier in our beds without all these tales of woe.

It's not that they always tell lies but, my God, they know how to distort the truth!

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If you believe that the general public are always told the truth by their governments, then join the queue for vaccination - and I will donate you my dose - have double do :D

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When we are talking about corperations making ALOT of money anything is possible.

Scaremongering, I hope you dont read / watch the news then. All I have quoted is what is on news agency websites.

Who is this US you keep referring to? are you a spokesman for many?

My aim is not to panic but to show the information that is out there, people need to make there OWN desissions.

I would love to be able to move to a safe haven and I would love to become a fully fledged FREEMAN of the land, my position does not allow that though.

Exactly.

I see many threds on hear saying how bad the goverment is. why is this one any different.

All I have shown in this thred is information that is out there, most people will not be bothered to look for themselves and if I manage to make ONE person think about it then all's good.

I didnt know Accy Web had a rule as to what is posted, however you do seem to follow me around and try to belittle nearly every thing I post, what would you like me to post about.

I mean look at my signature it says it all.

And MargaretR I have much respect for, she has answered/helped me with questions in the past and we have shared information, is this a bad thing?
I would class her as a friend on here.

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'Us', is the rest of the people in this Universe, not the parallel distorted thing you inhabit.
Now, go play in the road I'm sure you've found a website that say's buses can't harm you.
:D

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You only represent Boloxnia, and can only claim to be an expert on the price of beer in the Railway:rolleyes:

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No Margaret, I know Boloxnia doesn't exist, you however (and your friend) don't seem to know what Planet you are on.

P.S. I am also an expert on the price of beer in the Last orders, Broadway & Boars Head.


P.P.S. Try another doom and gloom thread, this one is getting a bit tatty.

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And the general public don't always tell the truth to their govts. ..... prime example, my income tax returns:eek: And my customs declarations at the border:eek::eek: ....

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i can understand people saying stop scaremongering and would teh govenment really give somthing unsafe to kids but lets not forget the many children born deformed because teh govenment gave doctors teh OK to give philodomide or whatever it was or however you spell it to pregnant women

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accyman, scientists are humans and humans sometimes get it wrong......and when they get it wrong it is the little man that suffers.

All medications have adverse side effects. Oh the packaging may tell you that only 1% of the population are affected, but if you are that 1%, you(or your child) is 100% affected.
The drug companies who make the vaccines have a vested interest in declaring the H1N1 a pandemic.......many government officials will make money out of ensuring that the majority of the population are vaccinated.......I'm sure that I read somewhere that Barack Obama has shares in the company that manufacters the anti-viral agents....now in my book that is a conflict of interest.

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Big difference between a mistake, as grave a mistake as it was and accusing them of deliberately using children as Guinea Pigs, isn't it?

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Unless they are being advised by Mengele:eek:;)

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[quote=Less;734228]I believe it is quite right, most of the government is my age, I don't want to be a Guinea Pig, use the 5 to 16 year olds it's all they deserve! :eek:

Less, I have looked through the Guardian report and can find in it no reference to children being used as guinea pigs for this vaccine......however it is reported that Baxter will not have the vaccine ready until the end of this month....this implies that it is as yet untested,
Glaxo-Smith-Kline report that they will not have the vaccine ready until later in September and they admit that the vaccine is yet untested......so for the government to say that they propose to vaccinate this section of the population is premature to say the least.
Andy Burnham and Liam Donaldson(CMoH) are plainly mad to be thinking that they can vaccinate children in October when both companies who are producing the stuff say it is not ready AND it is untested.

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Mmmmm .... Canada comes to mind .... ;)

By the early fall, the Federal Govt. will have assembled about 50 million doses of swine flu vaccine for use by those Canadians who want the drug ... there won't be any force used to make Canadians take it ... and over here, the administration of health care is the responsibility of the various provinces and territories, and perhaps, in some cases, individual First Nations; so, there will be no universal action on the part of the central govt.. But I fully agree with you that it is scaremongering, and the actions of an irresponsible media that have blown this so called Pandemic all out of proportion .... if there is any force being applied to make people take the vaccine, it is this force of fear, intensified by disinformation and looney toone, off the wall theories.

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I think that we have to let people work out for themselves which are the Looney tune elements.
Most people have the intelligence to decide what is right for them.
A lot of the hype about the severity or otherwise of this viral infection has been whipped up by the media......and they are the ones who have done the most scaremongering.
It doesn't help at all when a government sets up a telephone helpline(with unqualified staff) that is supposed to determine whether folk actually do have this viral illness or not.
Many people will have been wrongly diagnosed, and then added to the figures, which make it look like the H1N1 virus is rampant.
Do you consider these to be the actions of responsible government?

And as noted in my previous post, the Chief Medical officer of Health is letting folk think that their children are going to be vaccinated in the early Autumn, when it is clear that the vaccines will not be ready until late September, and even then will not have been tested,or for that matter given a licence for use.

The phrase Pee up...and brewery spring to mind.

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Well said.

Totaly the news media are the forfront of scare mongering.

I mean the BBC stated the Swine Flu helpline and Internet site was getting 2,400 hits a second, that 74,000,000 in 8 hours. :rolleyes:

In america they are using children to test the vaccine so it seems acording to this sorce.

YouTube - Kids are Guinea Pigs for Untested & Deadly Swine Flu / H1N1 Vaccine

And as for the we can diagnose over the phone oh let just say its swine flu. Things like this can happen (RIP).

Swine Flu: Toddler Georgia Keeling Dies From Meningitis After Misdiagnosis, Her Family Claim | UK News | Sky News

My main thing is to make people aware who might not of been, to think about the vaccine and look into it for themselves. Dont just take everything the media tell us as the truth.

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Oh, I so agree with you, let's not take the media as the truth, but then again, why should we take what you say to be the truth?

We, (the people), don't need your version of the truth any more than the media's version.

You come on here acting like you are the light, the saviour, just because you think we don't read what you read, some of us read it before you announce the terror and then, dismiss it, that is what leads to independent thinking, surely we can be allowed that?

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I think that is very similar to my comment in post number 16.
That the majority of us are capable of independent thought, and the weighing of the pros and cons of a situation.

And while there may be people on here who post a different opinion to mine, I may still consider what they have to say....even if later I choose to discount it.

I don't consider it to be scarmongering, any more than I consider what I read in the media to be scaremongering.

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All I post is information that I find, I have never once claimed to be the "one" you will find my comments are supported by links that I add to my threds.

Not everyone may see what information is out there.

I dont see you posting comments in the many other threds that people posts relating to media stories.:rolleyes:

This doesnt really effect you, you dont have children that fall into this catagory. where as I do and many others will also.

Re: Possible that the kids will be first testers of Swine Flu Vaccine
 

Of course it will be safe when it is ready ... just like all the other flu vaccines we have every year. This flu is quite mild to others.

Don't think it will be in time for us pensioners annual one either ... that is now on its way to the surgeries and ready to administer end of September. As normal, just based on experience of flu viruses the year before ... so could be September 2010 before we get it.

Will be a 2-hit course too by the way.

I would not hesitate to let a child of mine have this vaccine if can be proved would be effective, just like the MMR jab.

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The swine flu jab is being cultivated in the same way as the ordinary yearly flu jab, the culture is grown on eggs, given this fact I won't be bothering with it, I haven't had the ordinary flu jab since 1994, which cut my hospital admittance to virtually zero, from and average of 6 times every winter to 3 time since 1995 :rolleyes: