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just got back from rhoden inn. I am a smoker. with my pint i love a cig. had to go in back yard. wet & windy. not very nice. a few joined me and all said the same why ? do we put up with it ? france.. italy... spain... stuck 2 fingers up at it why us ? have written to m.p. greg pope. his day's are numbered so no joy there.. take two pubs in ossy. black dog.. rose & crown... if rose put ashtrays on table's black dog would wonder where coustom had gone... figure it out.... spread nation wide 2 fingers to this government..... rant over. cheer's ray... please spread the word...

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It only takes one pub to make a stand at the busiest time of the week, the others would soon follow, and it would be nationwide within a week, if they cant police the streets properly now, what chance would they have on weekend nights if all the pubs got the ashtrays out?

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The fine is big for the landlords and easy to prove. I don't think many would risk it.

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if it was nation wide they could & not fine everyone end of problem.. it work's abroad so why not her..??

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That is because in this country, we do not stand shoulder to shoulder as our forefathers would have done, every man for himself!

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Might be because if they do break the ban on smoking he could lose his licence that means losing his livelihood ... then what would you do?

The Publican - Home - Blackpool smoke ban rebel loses licence

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i am a smoker but ive turned more into being on non smokers side,i like a fag with a drink,i know at least 3 pubs that put ashtrays on tables once the doors are shut after 11.probally loads more do.railway has a great outside (covered as well).many other pubs also.so i can smoke at the door or whatever ,whats the problem that we have to bring smoking in pubs back ?!!

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I for one, as a non smoker, love smoke free pubs. That being said, I would like to see the free market take care of it. If there was a choice of non smoking pubs, I would be there, but I don't think it should be up to the government to legislate them all to be non smoking. Everyone in the pub is over the age of 18 (or is supposed to be), so they are old enough to make a decision about where they want to go.

My recollection was it was an employee health and safety issue when it first happened, as bar staff didn't have a choice in being exposed to second hand smoke. I still think its better to let consumers decide what they want, rather than the government ramming it down their throat.

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The bar owners have a choice here in Tenerife. Which ever way they go they have to clearly display signs outside and inside the bar. Our village has almost forty bars and there is only one which doesn't allow smoking.

I agree that it's a nuisance for non-smokers in England but there should be an area inside to smoke in. I really hate being bullied!

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being a none smoker i think its a great thing... .but then again i dont frequent pubs that much either way hehehe

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Its simple really, the vast majority of Men and Women in the UK don't smoke. Around 22% of men and 20% of Women smoke.
Now that you are the Minority, you want to force your rule and lifestyle on me.
Okay but when the UK adopts Shiara Law what will you do then.

Smokers are in a minority, live with it. I am glad to see the smoking ban, there is nothing worse than having a meal and have some smoker light up near you. When I go out I do not wish to return smelling of a ashtray and needing a shower before I go to bed. and having to wash my clothes.

Society should be for the good of the many, not the good of the few.
Smokers are the few.

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Which is a good thing for you and other none smokers.

Unfortunately for those of us that do smoke and for pubs it is a disastrous thing, before the ban, yes, the pub was dominated by smokers. The ban was brought in with the promise to Landlords that as well as wonderful clean pubs they would get all the people that didn't like the smoky atmosphere suddenly taking the places left vacant by smokers that would now drink at home.

What happened? In came the ban a large majority of smokers started drinking at home and to replace them? Nothing, the pub trade has been decimated because they have lost their regulars and their trade, the result of which is many pubs stopped trading as the hardship bit in.
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We smokers were forced outside, if we are lucky a bit of a shed for shelter as the dedicated smoking area and then we have to suffer the irony of a very few non smokers coming into this area on sunny days complaining about the smell of smoke, well Doh! you have the whole of the inside of the pub leave us this one little area in peace.

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O.K. using statistics to put forward your claims eh?

Well how about this?

taken from:-
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.g...eaccidents.pdf

Therefore the 84% of fatal and 95% of non-fatal accidents are caused by sober drivers working with your logic of majority rule cause and effect should we leave the roads to those that drink and drive? Statistically they are safer.
;)

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i'm a smoker and it doesnt bother me having to go to the door to have a fag when i'm out, i go to the door at home to have one anyway

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Less, is that the best you can do.
Following on from your thinking.....

55% of all Aircraft accidents are pilot error, so I better quit then and all aircraft should be flown by computers.

100% of Smokers and on Smokers die.
The fact is that smoking is in a MINORITY in the Uk. Live with it.

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And heres some more really stupid statistics, nothing to do with smoking, but thats the point....

The average person eats 8 spiders while asleep in their lifetime...

Women over 35 have a .5% chance of getting married

One hundred thousand dogs are killed each year falling out of pickup trucks

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I would have more respect for the ban on smokimg in public places if they banned the sale of cigarettes as well. If they were really concerned this would be the first move they made but hang on a minute what about the revunue they get each year from tax on tobacco sales? No they won't ban it completely because of the loss of revunue, a bit hypocritical IMO.

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That is all good and well but now people are writing letters to newspapers complaining about smokers standing outside:rolleyes:

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Why live with it? Surely the sign of a caring society is not to state that smokers are a minority and therefore should just 'live with it', but to allow an alternative lifestyle for those that choose to live it, in another smoking thread I did say I wouldn't smoke where you're eating, why can't I and other smokers have somewhere comfortable that we can meet to enjoy each others company rather than have to sit by and watch the death Nell being rung out over the few decent pubs left?
:)

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It is no secret that I'm a none smoker, gave up 31 years ago, but to me the no smoking ban was like using a sledgehammer to crack an egg. what was wrong with having a designated smoking room with extraction fans (so the smoke didn't drift throughout the pub) then everybody's happy. As flashy said people are now complaining about smokers blocking the pavements outside pubs, this was not well thought out me thinks, I believe in live and let live, simples:)

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many agreed with those comments on the last thread, as fer why you n others have somewhere comfortable to meet etc, never in 1000 yrs less wi the "I'm alright jack stuff you" mentality that was created 30 yrs ago.:rolleyes:

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You really think this is a caring society.
I have no problem with there being some pubs just for smokers, assuming the staff all smoked. The problem is that some would use this a license to smoke where ever and when ever they wished.

I have said my piece, now I will take a back seat. I have nothing against anybody wishing to inhale lots of nasty chemicals, but please don't force me to.

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Funny, but I'm sure that I posted a reply to this thread last night?

Has a mod removed my post for some reason?

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Take more water with it mattylad:D

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i responded to yer post matty n thats gone as well.:confused:

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True what it has done to the pub trade, my dad for one does not go out anymore apart from once a fortnight when he meets with his brother.
But at best part of £3 per pint who wants to go out all the time, i for one cant afford it running a house is hard enough

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Tasty.. but not likely to lead to death.

Still wont kill them.

Not in the UK surely, where did you get your stats? I cant see there being enough pickup trucks in the UK to create a stat that big. Must be from the states.

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Perhap's I can help?

I reported your post because you had abused how the original poster had talked about his experience, i.e. you changed the quote, you then got negative post's, mainly because hey, what the heck, we and by we, I mean the smokers are less aggressive than you non-smokers, we have nothing to gloat about, our lives have been ruined, no need to rub our faces into it!

So rather than have a long trail of abuse, (non-smokers versus smokers), I asked if your post could be removed.

Being a clever guy whoever removed it didn't leave the reactions that you had deliberately tried to provoke.

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Well I think its pathetic, less aggressive my backside.

Your using really big shouty words there, thats aggressive.
Ask most smokers not to and they get aggressive.

I had not tried to provoke any reactions in any way, its is just your assumptions that think so.

And please do not for one minute think that because smoking has been banned in pubs etc for the past few years that you are hard done to, us non smokers have not been able to go to the pup for many more years because of the very reason that many smoked in there!

Your lives have not been ruined, they have in fact been extended because you will smoke less when in the pub.

Now stop gloating!

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Like I said non smokers for some reason get aggressive, you just proved it, I told you who did it and all you come back with is a severe moan, perhaps if you came outside with me and had a nice relaxing fag, you wouldn't be so uptight?
:)

P.S. the word is Pub, not pup maybe you should come into one some time you will find how friendly we smokers really are?

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i think thats pathetic, speak to landlords n stewards about how many non smokers they have gained since the ban,ask em if they have lost any trade? i have -suggest you do the same n then ya may not be as sanctamonious,a compromise to this ban, that has drove many to wall would be far better.

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If you were Friendly then you would not have shouted at me in the first place!

You were in fact being aggressive towards me :D :D

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never really minded people smoking in pubs... i just cant stand it in pubs/cafes/resturants where they are serving food...

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I think it has already been said that some do not go to pubs because of the cost of drinking in them, the cost of a pint is now way more than many wish to spend & as they had to find other entertainment while pubs were not smoke free then many are not going to change their ways.

I would never go to a pub because of the smoky atmosphere, I do on occasion go now - but not that often as I can neither afford he cost nor the effects of a night out drinking.

Have I said that there should not be any compromise? NO.

I have merely put across the view that now that smoking has been banned in pubs, they are equally open to everyone instead of just those that like to breath you old smoke.

It seems that it is you smokers that are getting all defensive about your rants in wanting to smoke in pubs, you seem to be forgetting about the people that do not want to breath your smoke.

I agree that there should be better facilities, such as smoking rooms (with adequate ventilation etc) or outside facilities with roofs.
I too think the ban on smoking inside any structure that has 3 sides on it is also as pathetic as you may think, it is entirely unfair especially when that structure's purpose is for smoking in.
A bus stop on the other hand is not designed as such as it can also contain non smokers, yet they always seem to be complained about when a smoker is asked not to smoke there.

By all means campaign for better facilities that allow you to smoke, changes in the law that allow publicans etc to put up cheap & effective facilities.

But I do not see in any way a return to smoking inside the pubs themselves and thats not gloating or being sanctimonious, its merely considering the effects of smoking on others.

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not defensive or ranting about it, i rarely go in a pub these days as anyone who knows me will say, mainly cos i am unable to drink. i'm just speaking fer common sense, not summat that has had a very large detrimental effect on peoples livelyhoods, but that point don't seem to register with people like you.:rolleyes: but don't worry about it yer not alone.:rolleyes:

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what a load of crap it is when people say they couldnt go to pubs because people smoked in them , even asthmatics managed to survive going to the pub so unless yu have a serious alergic reaction to tobbacco there was nothing stopping you going to the pub

some moan about how tehir clothes stank of tobbacco teh day after but didnt mind it while they were there getting drunk and having a really good time either getting wasted or trying to get laid

is there a new flood of customers filling the pubs now that had previously never been for a pint and suddenly decided to start drinking in pubs once the ban came in ?

as a smoker i agree where food is served no smoking shoud be enforced but a nation wide ban in all pubs to suit a mionority is pathetic infact them kind of peopel only bring a good atmosphere down with tehir moaning and bitching so it was better they wernt in the pubs anyway

funny how many non smokers stand outside even in winter to chat to their mates who smoke and put up with smoke there under a conopy or been breathed out very near to them by the smokers

either get a grip or stay at home where no one has to listen to your whining because plenty of non smokers couldnt give a hoot about smoking in pubs :D

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To be fair, Mattylad did say this, and that is what I think should have been implemented ... extractor fans are very effective these days and would have worked for smokers and non-smokers alike. Unfortunately, we don't have a choice now but to be outlawed to the elements.

I don't quite get this point Boeing Guy. Mmmm, let me see now, that is about 10 million smokers .. not forgetting the odd 2 million who smoke cigars/pipes, in the U.K. Surely a substantial vote against any legislation attempts ?

You have room to talk anyway, driving around the skies in an effluent CO2 vehicle, affecting our health and planet. Flyers are also in the minority, so should we ban this form of travel for the good of the whole world ?? Will be something done soon I am sure, if only in extra taxes, etc.

By the way, secondary smoking has not yet been established as fact.

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It has for me, secondary smoke is what is attributed with giving my mother the cancer that killed her.

It is what makes it hard for me to breath when in its presence & what makes my clothes stink when I dont want them to.

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But its simple, you want to smoke in a pub, I dont want you to when I am there.
As we are never likely to ever be in the same pub then you can all do as you please.
You just have to convince someone to let you, (bear in mind that it was NOT me that bought in this ban) which I doubt you will be able to do.

I am not moaning about not being able to smoke in pubs, it seems that some here are.

End of discussion. :D

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Okay Katex,
There are approx 50,893,318 adults in the Uk, so a 5th are smokers......I would say that is a minority.

Second hand smoke, well according to the WHO, The Surgeon General, International agency for the research on cancer, it does exist.
Here is some reading if you are interested,

http://www.who.int/tobacco/framework...TC_english.pdf

http://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Monogr.../mono83-7E.pdf

the evaluation is here 'There is sufficient evidence that involuntary smoking (exposure to secondhand or ‘environmental’ tobacco smoke) causes lung cancer in humans.'

Watch the film Thankyou for smoking, might make you sit up a bit.

re aviation, well if you want to start a thread on that we could argue, however if you have even been in a car or bus, then you are causing lots of damage to the environment as well.

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Sorry about your mum Mattylad .. but this is the new blame culture .. this can never be proved.

As for making it hard for you to breath .. have you some underlying condition here .. e.g. asthma ? Otherwise, probably your imagination.

Clothes stink ? .. well, yes, does grip onto clothes .. wool mainly, but all outside smells do this (as all cooking smells too, from restaurants,curries/chips, etc.) Nasty aftershaves and perfumes grip my clothes, and have to swill them through after a night out ... well, never wear anything twice anyway without a wash. :D

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Katex, I have just given you the proof that Secondhand smoke is a killer....
Ignore it if you wish.

I will not debate further as there is no point, as you obviously won't listen to reason backed up by proof. BTW any proof that Secondhand smoke is not a killer?

I wonder if you are a smoker, I am not and as said earlier not opposed to a compromise, as long as I do not have to breath those nasty chemicals in.

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Not saying NOT in the minority ... just a lot of people still smoke who should have had a voice ... couldn't understand your argument... still don't. The disabled are in the minority .. so should we spend money on ramps, etc., OK. that is daft ! ... but so is your point.

You can always google articles which lean towards your thoughts, but I believe the medical people I am close to that are up-to-date. I can google papers that state not yet conclusive.

As for your last statement ... you are just being childish now .. I only brought up aviation because this health and environment question is non smoker's argument to the smoking question when everybody, as far as I am concerned, is nothing but blatant hypocrites.

Anyway, thought you had taken a back seat on this discussion. Hope that is not the most susceptable place on your plane for picking up all those air-ridden bugs ... :p:D

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Seems to me that you will have non smokers on one side and smokers on t'other side .. both sides never going to agree .. so why not agree to disagree?

Non smokers didnt like going to pubs because of the fag smoke ... anyway banned smoking in the pubs, restaurants, bars, clubs etc .. so now smoke free. Smokers if they want a ciggie now stand outside either at the front of the pub or out the back if there is a smoking area ... Non smokers have to walk through the smokers standing outside to enter the pub where it is smoke free .. some dont like that and now are complaining because they have to walk through them to get into a non smoking area .. so wont enter the pub and spend the money that the pubs need to keep going.... Some pubs dont have room to put a proper smoking shelter up so smokers do have to stand out on the street ..

plus on top of this supermarkets selling booze at a cheap price .. people are stopping at home and drinking cheap booze .. and then complaining that pubs are closing ..

All in all its a vicious circle ..

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No Shill .. don't agree with you. It is the non-smokers who are the aggressors here, as Less has pointed out. Us smokers have always accepted the fact that smoke can be annoying to everyone in restaurants and pubs , but just aggrieved that some sort of compromise was not even considered and linked with help to landlords to salvage their smoking customers.

See The Wellington in Clayton is now up for sale along with The Royal last month .... :rolleyes:

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without being aggressive i think all the whinging non smokers, should be taken out n shot.:D

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appropriate video for this thread :)

YouTube - Bill Hicks - non smokers

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Hey I'm a none smoker and I'm not whinging, and whats more I hate the smell of gun smoke it gets on mi chest:D

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so it dont affect you then does it?:D

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I don't know of anyone who has stopped going to pubs because they can't smoke inside....have smokers stopped using trains, planes, or even taxis because they are not allowed to smoke?..if so then they are pathetic...and I am a smoker.

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This is really a bs argument ... people don't take trains, planes, and taxis for a good time ... ok., maybe a Via Rail train through the Rockies ... however, people who go to pubs are heading there for a fun nite out. You can't compare them in this way ... well, you can, but it doesn't make sense.

And the stats thing: it isn't appropriate to argue that only about 20% of UK adults smoke,therefore, only this percentage of pub customers smoke. I think one will find that, among the folks who head out for a pint, the percentage of smokers is quite probably higher. In order for the stats to make a little more sense, one should poll the people who regularly go to pubs in order to find out what percentage of them smoke. I would hazzard a guess that it will not reflect the 80-20 split. I often pop into Rhea's Bar, a working stiffs pub with a lot of regulars, for a beer. Last time I was there, I noticed that all of the patrons were smokers, as was the bartender.

Going out for a drink at the pub is an adult activity. (Ok, some of us may have started a little early). No one is forced to go to a pub. If there were true choice, then the owners of pubs should be able to choose whether the premises are "smoking" or "non-smoking." And then the customers would be able to choose.

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yes Eric but do people really stay indoors or avoid pubs because they are not allowed to smoke?..I'd say that those who do are a very small percentage..very small.

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its a small percentage of a small percentage mancie, pubs have gone that far down the pan, of that small % i know quite a few who drink at home now when weather is crap, these are people that did not before the ban.

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Agreed ... but are they just shrugging their shoulders, and putting up with what they think is inevitable ....

Many have mentioned on here that the pubs are closing in England at an alarming rate ... does this have anything to do with the smoking issue? It might be the high price of a pint ... but, (and here we go with the stats again) ... what percentage of the average weekly wage is the price of a pint. I know that when I started it was about two bob a pint ... but at that time, a laborer earned only about ten quid a week, give or take, and twenty quid was a real good wage.

The thing that really bugs me about the whole deal is that it is just one aspect of govt. sticking it's nose into things which are none of its goddam business ... trying to govern all the minituae of the everyday lives of free citizens, rather than govern the country.

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Well I'll be honest Cashy and say that anyone who has chosen to stay indoors because of the smoking ban is a wimp..what next..everyone piles down any bit of grass or park bench for the sake of having a fag?.. pathetic..Wetherspoons have had no smoking long before the rules were brought in and I've never seen one of their pubs empty.

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i can say for sure as a smoker if teh weather is really crap i wont go out because i dont fancy standing in teh rain with my pint and in some cases having to leave the pint inside as your not allowed to take it with you and enjoy a smoke while having a beer

saying that great harwood has some good smoking areas built so its not as bad but generally pubs arnt very well equipped

whats even worse is these minority tobbacco police nazis have the nerve to ask you to move with your ciggarette when in teh smoking area which i then inform them that if they want fresh air they shoudl piff off back inside

even as a non smoker when i gave up i didnt give a hoot about smoking in pubs and i would saythe majority of non smokers couldnt give a toss either because like i said earlier most of them stand outside with tehir smoker buddies and agree the ban is pathetic european bullcrap legislation which our soft arse govenment shoudl have said piff off too just liek a few other countries have

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weatherspoons are food pubs arnt they and anyone with and decency would recognise that smoking isnt fair in those kind of pubs serving food to families etc :)

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As I've said before it was a sledgehammer to crack a nut, and I'm a committed none smoker, but life goes no, why should I stand in the way of some one who wants a fag and a pint, we are now tied up with reams of red tape a lot of which could be avoided by a little consideration, but I do agree on a ban where food is sold